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US model Krag 22

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#1 ·
Never seen one before and seen one on RIA can anyone tell me more about it please. sounds interesting but not real.:)
 
#2 · (Edited)
US military did indeed produce 22 rimfire Krag-Jorgenson rifles. They are both real, and interesting. Also fairly scarce and not usually cheap.

Flayderman notes that there were 841 Model 1898 Krag Gallery Practice Rifles built c.1906-1907, and left Springfield in the form of barrelled actions to be installed in previously issued arms by company armorers and as complete rifles. Flayderman (9th Ed) suggests value from $1250 in VG to $4500 in Excellent - those (few) I have seen change hands usually brought more. They are marked like other M-1898 Krags, with the addition of a 22 Caliber stamp. 30" barrels, bore offset toward the bottom at the breech (centered at muzzle) so the standard CF firing pin can strike the rim. Auxiliary extractor, receiever curt awaya bit to make it easier to load the 22 rounds.

There are also examples with Stevens-Pope barrels, chamber offset toward the TOP. These are commerical ventures, and at least some were known to have been bought by New Jersey Nat'l Guard for shooting teams. Also sought after and tend to bring prices similar to the arseanl guns.
 
#4 ·
US military did indeed produce 22 rimfire Krag-Jorgenson rifles. They are both real, and interesting. Also fairly scarce and not usually cheap.

Flayderman notes that there were 841 Model 1898 Krag Gallery Practice Rifles built c.1906-1907, and left Springfield in the form of barrelled actions to be installed in previously issued arms by company armorers and as complete rifles. Flayderman (9th Ed) suggests value from $1250 in VG ro $450 in Excellent - those (few) I have seen change hands usually brought more. They are marked like other M-1898 Krags, with the addition of a 22 Caliber stamp. 30" barrels, bore offset toward the bottom at the breech (centered at muzzle) so the standard CF firing pin can strike the rim. Auxiliary extractor, receiever curt awaya bit to make it easier to load the 22 rounds.

There are also examples with Stevens-Pope barrels, chamber offset toward the TOP. These are commerical ventures, and at least some were known to have been bought by New Jersey Nat'l Guard for shooting teams. Also sought after and tend to bring prices similar to the arseanl guns.

great information thank you very much.
 
#7 · (Edited)
OK - description from RIA:

This standard Model 1898 Springfield-Krag Rifle was fitted with .22 caliber Gallery Practice barrel. This late production Model 1898 Krag Rifle has the standard 1901 pattern rear sight. The 30-inch, blued, .22 caliber barrel has no markings except for the number "883" stamped on the rear face of the chamber above the bore. The receiver does not have the modifications found on the Springfield/Krag Gallery Practice Rifle. The rifle receiver has been reblued and is marked: "U.S./MODEL 1898 SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 467549" in two lines. The rifle has an oil-finished, black walnut stock. The left stock wrist is stamped with the fancy script inspector's initials "JSA" above the date "1902" surrounded by a rectangle with flat edges. The script "P" proof mark is stamped on the underside of the stock wrist behind the trigger guard. The heel of the buttplate is stamped with the initials "EK". The left side of the stock is stamped: "T. E .KANNALLY" in small block letters running parallel to the buttplate. The rifle is complete with a regulation Springfield/Krag bayonet and scabbard. The bayonet has a bright blade dated "1899", bright hilt, walnut grips and a blued scabbard with swivel hanger.

The lack of receiever modifications could mean a couple of things, including it just lacks the CAL 22 marking, or it could lack that and the special auxiliary extractor. The stock markings mean it has a stock from a 30-40 rifle made 1902, but that wouldn't be a problem IF it had the proper receiever markings.

I don't think this one, based on the description, was one made at Springfield. Might or might not be worth having. I can't find my little book or US Martial Arms Serial Numbers to check the receiver's DOM.
 
#12 ·
Yes, I found it, cant be sure, because I'm not a Krag specialist, but IMO it could be a standard Krag that was worked by a skilled gunsmith and turned into .22, my suposition could be nonsense because as I said before my knowledge of Krags is almost nil, mine had a certified origin and being a .22 trainer collector I bought it=
 
#13 ·
I visited the RIA site...let me begin by swearing mine is not a case of sour grapes, but after going thru that site I can only say that if you live in the US and have enough money you can build a gun collection in one afternoon!!
 
#14 ·
Indeed you can.

Or from Rob Robles ANTIQUE GUNS auction site. Or from a visit to Little John Gangel's site. To name just a couple fo others. If i hit the Texas Lottery tomorrow night ($9.7 million - around $5.7 after taxes and charitable donation), it is likely that somebody will be quite happy to see me and my collection will be considerably augmented.....
 
#17 ·
Mudgee, the flag on the left side on th left corner belongs to Argentina, and there's where I live and yes, I do have a nice collection, that is the reason why I said in my post that mine is not a case of sour grapes-
 
#18 ·
Raul,

I did not mean to be so rude as to not recognise you flag and i hope that when i mentioend your collection that you did not get the wrong idea of what i meant, i simply meant that it looked like a great collection nothing more or less. I would like to ask you do you have a 1909 sniper in your collection as i have always wondered if there was any left in Argentina.:)
 
#19 ·
Mudgee, I never felt any of your posts as offensive or anything of the sort-Having said this, no I do not have a 1909 sniper, what I have is an unissued an unfired 1909 that I myself took off the crate at the military depo in 1968, it even came with the original test target AND I also have the original Zeiss Nedinsco scope never mounted in the original leather pouch, but I dont have the intention to put it in the 1909-
 
#21 ·
Raul,

In Argentina what are the gun laws like, herein Australia theyare very strict and to buy a rifle you have to wait about six weeks ot get a permit to buy a rifle. what is like in Argentina.:)
 
#22 ·
Well, around here we are used to live sorrounded by a sea of red tape-To buy a gun first you have to be clean of police records. pass a psicological exam and with both certificates go to the RENAR (Registro Nacional de Armas) like ATF in the USA, where you receive a certificate of lawful user of arms, with that certificate you go to the gunshop and buy a gun, the seller submits a form to RENAR about the transaction and in a month you receive your gun, with a plastic card that is like the license of a car, when you sell the gun you can only transfer it to other guy that has the same lawful user as you-The assault rifles need a special permit that goes thru the Minstry of Defense=.50BMG and FiveSeven is prohibited, also silencers and full auto guns-If you reload the reloading machine has to be registered and there is consumption card for ammo that is issued for each caliber=If you are registered as a collector you can have full auto and assault rifles but those guns under the collector status can not leave your home
they are only for display-
For many reading the above system can think that we are living a miserable life, well it is not so, ours is the best gun law in South America, at least the best among the big countries in this continent, Brazilians, Mexicans, Peruvians and other are much worst, for instance in Uruguay you can not own a gun with the same caliber the armed or police forces employ, that means you cant have .38,9,.45,.308 and others so you cant practically have most of the weapons we all have-
 
#23 ·
We in Australia are not allowed to own any semi autos unless you are aprofessional hunter killing of vermon, or you own a farm that you need to control your vermon, like dogs, rabbits, pigs, camels, donkeys, buffalo, Roos, goats and deer. to get a llicense to use semi auto is very ard. if you are a collector adn have a semi auto or machine gun the barrels have to be welded shut. like i mentioned before once you get your license which takes about six weeks then you have to apply for a permit to buy the rifle and that can take up to six weeks. you can not buy ammo unless youhave a license.:)
 
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