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Fushigi Ojisan
12-08-2007, 06:51 PM
Okay, I know there was a rapid demobilization after World War II ended, and I know a lot of stuff was pushed into the ocean (Million Dollar Point comes to mind).

But I am asking specifically about Jeeps.

I have heard for years that there is footage of Jeeps being pushed off a boat into the water, but after searching around I simply can't find it. Before I declare this an urban legend, can anyone provide some proof of Jeeps going into the drink?

Clyde
12-08-2007, 07:26 PM
Still qualifies as an "Uncle Charlie tale unless somebody goes to Tinian and finds the graveyard.

5thDragoons
12-08-2007, 10:01 PM
I found some pics but no vids. SW

Mike
12-09-2007, 11:00 AM
My Uncle Al reported pushing jeeps and assorted equipment off a barge at Guadalcanal with a small Cat.
They reloaded the barge til they ran out of stuff.
He then ran the cat off the barge.
He would get angry talking about that.
There was so much of that stuff piled up in the states they did not want it back.
You could buy up crated jeeps, motorcycles, etc for next to nothing.
I have the parts list and boards from a wooden crated Harley he bought when he got home.

At Camp Ellis, here in Illinois a lot of athletic equipment and construction material was burned and buried.

Fushigi Ojisan
12-09-2007, 07:33 PM
I found some pics but no vids. SW

Post 'em to the military photos forum please.

Oh, and I have heard the legend of thousands of Thompson SMGs buried on some Pacific Island, but then someone later told me MacArthur ordered them found and dug up for use in Korea

There is also a place called "Million Dollar Point" that is a popular diving area because after the war a lot of trucks and other things were driven off a cliff into the water

Amtraker
12-09-2007, 10:02 PM
After Okinawa was taken, Japanese equipment was loaded onto barges and taken out past the reef line. The drop is to around 400 feet there. The stuff was just dumped off.

caerlonie
12-10-2007, 12:18 AM
I know that sometime after WW11 ended,the NZ navy took a cruise to fiji,and on the way tossed many thousands of Thompson .45 smg's overboard.What a waste.

Sarge
12-10-2007, 03:22 AM
I would doubt that many jeeps met that fate because there was a giant "storage" yard on one of the island where there were hundreds if not thousands of jeeps parked.
After The Korean War started these were all rebuilt and shipped to Korea. I've seen photos of that place years ago.
Sarge

finite
12-10-2007, 09:17 AM
My grandfather was group supply and transportation officer for the 505th VHBG on Tinian. He often talks about all the jeeps and trucks that were pushed over the cliffs on Tinian after the war. He may have some photos of this, I will ask him and get back to you.

azbubba
12-10-2007, 03:56 PM
that doesnt surprise me because if you remember after the fall of saigon theres footage of hueys and other aircraft being pushed over board so jeeps and other vehicles being disposed of after ww2 really isnt a stretch of the imagination

Clyde
12-10-2007, 04:47 PM
The helos being pushed off the jeep carrier during the Vietnam sove kee poo was to make space for the next one to land and for off-loaded people, not because they were surplus gear nobody wanted to ship home. Different thing entirely,.

raul
12-12-2007, 10:33 AM
forty yrs ago I met in Germany an ex Wehrmacht officer that fell prisioner to the english and when the war ended they spent days throwing small arms ammo into the ocean-

David Murvihill
12-12-2007, 02:23 PM
We went into the shipyard in Pascagoula, MS in about '88. There was a Belknap-class cruiser across the pier. Several officers were in trouble for throwing maintenance hardware overboard on the way to the shipyard (bearings, valves and the like). It's SOP for engineers to order two replacement parts when they need one (in case the first one breaks while trying to repair) and squirrel away the other one "just in case". The cruiser was going to rehab the supply spaces and had to get rid of the stuff in it, but didn't want Supply to know they had a private stash of parts. Supply found out anyway and called in the IG. Both ships I was on did the same thing and it worked well if the engineer responsible for keeping track of inventory kept up.
For the record, I have zero respect for those rat-bastard supply pukes. Their whole job was to say "No" while they steal your budget and buy comfort items for themselves. The problem with the cruiser wasn't that they did it, but that they got caught.

Clyde
12-12-2007, 03:29 PM
Sounds like the squids work the same way the army did when I was a green-suiter.

Dave D.
12-18-2007, 11:19 PM
...Buddy of mine was a photo tech on the USS Enterprise during Vietnam. They had tables to view the bomber film manually. During a stopover in the P.I., they got the new automated viewing tables. Their workspace was small and they had no room to store anything, so they carried the old tables down to the pier and installed the new ones as ordered. WRONG ! An officer asked who gave them permission to take the old tables off the ship. Nobody had, just necessity. He ordered them to return them to the ship, so they did. He told me that every ship has dead spaces, odd and small areas between the hull and the compartments that are unoccupied. They threw these old tables down one of those. Order obeyed.
...My dad was in the 1301st combat engineers, part of the 6th corp., third army in WWII. When the war ended they were in Germany and all the construction equip. in the pipeline caught up with them. They were re-equiped with new dozers, cranes, trucks, all the stuff they needed months ago but didn't have and had to make do with patched and worn out equip. After a couple of weeks they were told to pack up their personal geer and get ready to be sent to the pacific. Not Good ! When they asked what they were to do with the equip., they were told to leave it, the Germans would probably get it. They hated the Germans so much they set it affire and burned it up. Nobody said anything.

svt-40 fan
01-02-2008, 09:44 AM
My Uncle Al reported pushing jeeps and assorted equipment off a barge at Guadalcanal with a small Cat.
They reloaded the barge til they ran out of stuff.
He then ran the cat off the barge.
He would get angry talking about that.
There was so much of that stuff piled up in the states they did not want it back.
You could buy up crated jeeps, motorcycles, etc for next to nothing.
I have the parts list and boards from a wooden crated Harley he bought when he got home.

At Camp Ellis, here in Illinois a lot of athletic equipment and construction material was burned and buried.

sorry but the crated up jeep is just a lie there was never any jeeps crated up for any shipment to anywere.
yes a couple were put in crates, but only for display.
all jeeps made in the usa were ship as complete units, no assambly required.

resourse: ALL-AMERICAN WONDER, vol 1 and 2, by Ray Cowdery, ISBN 0-910667-10-1 & 0-910667-20-9

all one would ever want to know about the military 1/4 ton willys overland mb and the "copy" made by ford "gpw", and then some.

yes i am also a jeep freak....and loving it:):eek:


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rickyracer2
01-02-2008, 05:04 PM
What a shame!

Sarge
01-03-2008, 12:44 AM
I haven't read the book you quote, But years ago I saw photos of jeeps being crated for overseas shipment and there were more than 2 in the photo.
Also. IF there were only a couple done for display purposes Why did the army make a training film on how to uncrate and assemble them??? I have seen that film!
Crated makes sense because it lowered the overall heigth by a couple of feet and allowed them to be stacked several deep in a ships hold, thus several hundred on a ship instead of a couple hundred. We didn't wast shiping space in that way that I'm aware of.
Sarge

svt-40 fan
01-03-2008, 06:00 PM
no jeeps went over seas in crates, it was quicker to have them all ready to go when at the port.

i can not say any about dumping over board. :eek:

but the crate is a did happon but at the end of the war but only to a general depot #25 in europ, in very small numbers. the so called assambly plant was a failure it could not handle even 1/10 of the ammount required of it.

general depot #25 was a assembly point for a number of motor trucks, etc.

there were no surplus jeep or any other trucks in a crate, nothing came back that did not fit into a duffle bag.

oneshooter
01-04-2008, 08:30 PM
I don't know about vehicles being pushed overboard, but I have read of brand new, zero or near zero hours, P-38 's being bulldozed and buried in the Phillipenes(sp).

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

MP517PRCT
01-05-2008, 12:10 AM
I've seen video of Chance-Vought F4U Corsairs being pushed off of the back of an Aircraft Carrier at the end of the war. Rather a dumb move since the navy had the Corsair put back into production at the begining of the Korean War!

cpw
01-05-2008, 09:16 AM
Only in hindsight. I doubt if they thoought they were goning to need them again in a few years.

whitesharkseeker
01-13-2008, 11:52 PM
My grandfather was group supply and transportation officer for the 505th VHBG on Tinian. He often talks about all the jeeps and trucks that were pushed over the cliffs on Tinian after the war. He may have some photos of this, I will ask him and get back to you.

Those jeeps and wrecks are now a popular dive site!

-Eric

Lance Boyle
01-15-2008, 11:47 AM
My buddy was in a FA18 squadron on a carrier coming in for refit. They were ordered to dump new in the wrap snap on tool chests over the side before coming in to port. They were full of new tool, never used.

The same day they had forklifts dropping sheet steel stocks over the side.

Your tax dollars at work.

BARQS19
01-15-2008, 12:24 PM
Actually my grandfather pushed one over. He was a C-47 pilot during WWII in the Pacific and while island hopping one day they were given a jeep in the crate to be used for transportation once they landed. Unfortunately one engine went out and in order to lighten the load it had to go. I remember he use to get pissed talking about it because once they landed they had to walk everywhere they went. Never asked which island he was talking about.
BARQS19

rickyracer2
01-15-2008, 04:28 PM
Actually my grandfather pushed one over. He was a C-47 pilot during WWII in the Pacific and while island hopping one day they were given a jeep in the crate to be used for transportation once they landed. Unfortunately one engine went out and in order to lighten the load it had to go. I remember he use to get pissed talking about it because once they landed they had to walk everywhere they went. Never asked which island he was talking about.
BARQS19

What a shame. I would love to own a WW2 jeep right now. Boy the fun I could have.

gew88guy
01-15-2008, 10:09 PM
No pics but my Great-Uncle Warren Gene helped push vehicles & equipment off his ship coming back from Japan to lighten the ship and enable more service members to climb aboard.

A friend who served during the Korean war claimed tanks were salvaged from WW2 dump-offs near Japan circa 1950 following the "Task Force Smith" fiasco.

savery
01-17-2008, 08:51 PM
A little OT, but I talked to an older pilot that purchased a P-51 not long after WWII ended...for around $2500. Now, that same airplane is worth well over a million. That would be one of those "I should have kept that" moments...

guns-guns-guns
01-18-2008, 11:45 AM
I'll throw my .02 cents in.FWIW. Unk #1 is dead now, but he said tht on the return trip after the bomb was dropped, they did indeed throw all kinds of stuff off his hospital ship pretty much the whole way. he had been a combat medic but was just an orderly on the way back. Gurneys, tables, you name it. BUT, per him, the ship stopped outside the port of San Fran, and annoucment was made that they would be thoroughly searched before being allowed to disembark, and anyone with unautorized weapons or contraband would be detained. As he had a Jap LMG and a thompson, he immediatley ran and chunked his overboard, and so did everyone else. Lots of stuff thrrown ove. Big shock ----- noone at the port to check them when they got off.

Unk#2 had a SKS stuffed in his bag in 2 pieces when coming back from VN in 1970. At the place he was getting processed thru in Hawaii, an officer looked into the bag and and obviously saw the end of the gun, because he looked at thim and told to either throw it in the greenbox or get charged, so he threw the whole bag i the green box. As he left, he looked thru the fence and saw the officer and another guy walking off, carrying his bag......towards a CAR

John Sukey
01-18-2008, 02:02 PM
similar story when my father came back from WW2. An officer at the gangplank was saying ONLY one souvienir weapon per man, and he had a box for all the excess. Of course that was a LIE, and he got a nice collection of guns out of it for no risk.
Whenever we had an I.G. inspection scheduled, everyone loaded their car trunks with all the excess and brought it back after they left.
The two biggest LIARS on base.
IG team: We are here to help you.
Base commander; Glad to have you.

wa3yvt
01-24-2008, 08:33 PM
Can't prove it of course,but as a child I remember a close friend of my dad,talking about pushing jeeps off a cliff on some Pacific island after the war ended.Dad was on an escort carrier doing magic carpet runs,and told similar stories.He also told the story of the carrier having the engines replaced,just before it's decommissoning and scrapping.Our parents tax dollars at work.

Fushigi Ojisan
01-24-2008, 09:21 PM
Can't prove it of course,but as a child I remember a close friend of my dad,talking about pushing jeeps off a cliff on some Pacific island after the war ended.


Now THAT is something I have heard of. Its now known as "Million Dollar Point"

http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/10/million_point.php

Very good reading. BTW its a popular site for divers now