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Gjames
01-11-2011, 02:08 PM
Enjoyed the recent thread about the Oldest bayonet, so I thought I'd take it a step further. What's the rarest bayonet you own? I'll start the ball rolling with mine, which is a Jacob Rifle bayonet, complete with leather-covered wooden scabbard.

rayman1
01-11-2011, 02:31 PM
For me, it's probably a more modern but uber-rare one to find within the Kalashnikov bayonet collecting community - a very early Russian M1947 "First Model" bayonet (like the old Mauser bayonets with the long blade) but with polished blade and wooden scales (side grip panels) on the handle.

But a current, definate second "runner up" would probably be a Romanian Type II bayonet with the bakelite scabbard.

oldblades
01-11-2011, 02:51 PM
Great idea Gjames, this should be fun

While a ways down the line as to my favorite, I'd say my Japanese Chassepot bayonet is my rarest.

TP
01-11-2011, 03:01 PM
The Imperial German conversion of the French M1874 Gras rifle bayonet to fit the Gew98 and the Kar98a. This involved using the Gras bayonet's T-shaped blade making modifications to the hilt and and fitting a Mauser style pommel with TO slot. New grips were fitted as well. Mine is not in the best of condition, it appears to be a post WW1 battlefield recovery with some heavy pitting to both the scabbard and bayonet but the wood is still solid and after careful cleaning it fits a Gew98 very nicely. I have pictures but they are on a floppy disc...... *sigh* :)

dgill120
01-11-2011, 03:01 PM
I have a Model 1869 German Werder style blade that was rehilted to 1898 type in the 1914 era. Use as ersatz issue during the great war.

videodon
01-11-2011, 03:37 PM
...probably my North Korean AK bayo.
:)

John Sukey
01-11-2011, 03:58 PM
Martini Henry Carbine sawback bayonet. next to the P07 Hooked quillion that I also have. Also the Australian Machete bayonet for the SMLE

old-smithy
01-11-2011, 06:01 PM
http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/fullsize/german/germany%2084-98%20aA%20mS.jpg


This one got me wondering, as I have several "rare" blades in my collection, but it probably still comes down to my S84/98 aA mS converted from an 1888 71/84 bayonet by the addition of a new hilt, as it is the one in Carters book and is as far as I know still the only reported example, and the conversion may well account for the lack of 71/84 sawbacks. A close second would be my Saxon marked 71/84, which is rare anyway but mine is DOA marked - again may explain the lack of Saxon marked examples if they all went to Africa? But then my South African made 1907's are rare even to South African collectors and I have managed to get two different ones - would still love to get the 1913 made by them in WWII.

More modern could be my Swedish trials FN FAL apple corer (1 of 230), but this looks just the same as all the others, it is pure providence that makes it different (Another Anthony Carter blade).

The strangest thing is that my rarest blades did not cost as much as other more common items - Transvaal, Aussie Hooker, Paratrooper, Japanese type 100, Jacobs (though mine has a replica scabbard not a real one, as the scabbard is worth more than the blade. The other aspect of this is, is it rare because few have survived or rare because they didn't make many - a huge number of trials blades make the latter category fairly large.

shippingsteel
01-11-2011, 06:40 PM
Mines not overly rare but unusual in the fact it ticks both the trials AND the conversion boxes.
Started out life as a P1886 trials bayonet for the Enfield-Martini rifle but was later converted in 1891 into a P1887 Mk.IV for the Martini Henry.
Picked this one up cheaply as I always wanted to own a "trials" bayonet.! Cheers.

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Undertaker
01-11-2011, 07:11 PM
I have this bayonet that I assume is confederate issue. It has been attached to an 1863 Richmond which was passed down in the family since the end of the war. I cannot make out the markings but have not researched it that much. If there are any experts on confederate bayonets on this site, please have at it.

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geladen
01-11-2011, 07:30 PM
Chinese made Mauser bayonet with reproduction scabbard

shown on Chiang Kai Shek rifle

rexesq
01-11-2011, 07:37 PM
Great Bayonets everyone! Very cool Chinese geladen.



...probably my North Korean AK bayo.
:)

Nice! Got any pics? I have one of those too, one of the later styles I think.... here is a photo ... mine has the serial # 0252 on the handguard, one of my favorites, and first bayonet purchases but not my rarest...
The last two photos are of my AK with the North Korean Bayonet.

My rarest seems to be the original unmodified 16 inch blade Wilde Toole Co 1942 M1 Garand Bayonet that my father bought for a few dollars in an Army Navy store in the 1950s.


The first 6 photos are of the WT bayonet, the last two are of the North Korean Kalashnikov Bayonet.
Wilde Toole Co. M1 Garand Bayonet, 1942 (my rarest bayonet):

Still-a-Marine
01-11-2011, 08:31 PM
Confederate Fayetteville Bayonet. Bill

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m4a3sherman
01-11-2011, 10:12 PM
Well it's not super rare but definitely hard to find; I have 2 Indian Ishapore 1A1 Bayonet; for the Indian version of the L1A1. I have both the early and later type manufacture, both in great shape but unfortunately no scabbards which seems to be the standard for these bayonets. Not entirely sure why this is so but my best guess is that since they are still in service it's hard to get them in the first place. I think IMA had a small run of them (the bayonets, not scabbards) a while back but they sold out really fast and I haven't seen them since. I got mine at an out of the way army surplus store here for like $20 each. Can't complain about that!

rexesq
01-11-2011, 10:36 PM
Ooh Indian Bayonets, very cool.

m4a3sherman
01-11-2011, 10:41 PM
Indeed- the Indians did some very strange things to bayonets to "upgrade" them. I've also got a 1903 bayonet converted from the Metford 1888. Looks neat on the No.1 Mk.III rifles and as I understand was a favorite with Vets in WWI since it indicated prior service in the King's Army.

marysdad
01-11-2011, 11:28 PM
I dunno, but here's one that I never thought I would come across.

German FG-42 Spike Bayonet

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/marysdad/B1392-1.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/marysdad/B1392-2.jpg

vonmazur
01-12-2011, 12:59 AM
French Mle 1890 Gendarmerie....French Mle 1878 Pour Le Fucil 'dit' "Kropatschek"..There are others, now I have to go look at the boxes!!

Dale

mrbentwrench
01-12-2011, 01:14 AM
Though it may not be the rarest bay to be found, I'm kinda partial to this '07 Ross w/ the manf. & issue on the crossguard. Feels good in the hand.
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TP
01-12-2011, 07:38 AM
I have this bayonet that I assume is confederate issue. It has been attached to an 1863 Richmond which was passed down in the family since the end of the war. I cannot make out the markings but have not researched it that much. If there are any experts on confederate bayonets on this site, please have at it.

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Undertaker, it is a British P53 bayonet. The maker's mark is at the base of the blade but like you I can not make it out. It has what appears to be an accountability number at the base of the socket that may be British. It is possible that it was Confederate issue, large numbers of P53 reifle muskets were imported by both the North and the South and they saw heavy use during the War.

TP
01-12-2011, 07:40 AM
Confederate Fayetteville Bayonet. Bill

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If it is a Fayetteville bayonet (and I have no reason to doubt it), it is probably the rarest bayonet in this thread. Congratulations on an amazing aquisition. :)

Still-a-Marine
01-12-2011, 09:21 AM
I have this bayonet that I assume is confederate issue. It has been attached to an 1863 Richmond which was passed down in the family since the end of the war. I cannot make out the markings but have not researched it that much. If there are any experts on confederate bayonets on this site, please have at it.

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The marks I can read are for the Birmingham Small Arms Trade which would have been the inspector. (Crown over B over STA over 3 which would have been the inspector number) The R is the second initial of the maker. Since it has the BSAT mark it was not made for the British military. It was an export. Since you have he family history you can say it is for the American Civil War. Most say such but can not prove it. I don't think it would have started out as a confederate bayonet. My understanding is the BSAT did not sell to the south. But it could very likely be a captured bayonet or battlefield pickup. You have a really nice one with good family history. Congrats...

I have an article “Enfield” Bayonets in the Civil War 1861–1865 by Graham Priest. If anybody wants a pdf copy I'll be happy to email it. Just send me a post with your email address.

Bill

Still-a-Marine
01-12-2011, 09:22 AM
TP Thanks. I just stumbled across it and could not pass it up. A bit pricy but you only live once. Bill

Ol Duke
01-12-2011, 09:23 AM
Madsen M58 Light Rifle.

green
01-12-2011, 09:47 AM
Martini Metford Pattern 1893.

Terrylee
01-12-2011, 12:51 PM
This is my rarest bayonet. There were only 190 of them made.

Can anybody identify it?

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albacore
01-12-2011, 01:10 PM
I've got a few bayonets that are pretty rare. I've got a Type-35 in original Japanese issue and a Type-30 with an M-pommel that has SNs on the crossguard and side of the pommel but no Tokyo arsenal mark. My favorite of my rare bayonets is a Siamese-pommel Type-30 that happens to be a Star-K arsenal. I've been keeping track of Siamese used Type-30 bayonets, known as the Siamese Type-83, for years now. 75% are Nagoya Triangles and the rest are Tokyo bayonets with early features and flat bird's-head pommels. I've only ever seen one from any other arsenal, and that's this Star-K.

Joe Turner
01-12-2011, 01:13 PM
For the Swinford rifle/carbine? Used by the Boers. In one of my books on the Boer Wars there is a photograph of a Boer leader with one of these bayonets attached to his bandoleer. I will see if I can find the exact refernce if you like or someone here may beat me to it. My rarest bayonet is not all that rare but hard to find some times, an Austrian Werndl yataghan that I got from Albacore last year.

old-smithy
01-12-2011, 06:12 PM
My girlfriend had two of those when she was a kid in Rhodesia both were lost playign in the garden - closest she has ever seen to me in tears

seinen
01-12-2011, 06:47 PM
While a ways down the line as to my favorite, I'd say my Japanese Chassepot bayonet is my rarest.

Very cool. Can you post some photos here and on the Japanese Forum so I can compare yours with mine?

C/

Stede
01-12-2011, 07:13 PM
Rarest? What I *believe* to be a Danish M1809 Hirschfanger; I need to post pics here for a positive ID. Some nice stuff cropping up in this thread!
Steve in Colorado

David Murvihill
01-12-2011, 09:55 PM
You tell me, I honestly don't know:
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whitecloud
01-12-2011, 10:42 PM
As for me,a 1905 bayonet is the rarest bayonet I own.......it has only 4-digit,which means it is the very earlyest 1905 bayonet produced by SA . I have never seen a number on 1905 bayonet lower than mine.The condition of the bayonet is sill intact!
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Comapared with another which produced in 1906.
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My another rare bayonet is a 8498II with a kicking-ball rademark.

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rexesq
01-12-2011, 10:44 PM
I've got a few bayonets that are pretty rare. I've got a Type-35 in original Japanese issue and a Type-30 with an M-pommel that has SNs on the crossguard and side of the pommel but no Tokyo arsenal mark. My favorite of my rare bayonets is a Siamese-pommel Type-30 that happens to be a Star-K arsenal. I've been keeping track of Siamese used Type-30 bayonets, known as the Siamese Type-83, for years now. 75% are Nagoya Triangles and the rest are Tokyo bayonets with early features and flat bird's-head pommels. I've only ever seen one from any other arsenal, and that's this Star-K.

Now that Siamese one is just beautiful.... very neat.

whitecloud
01-12-2011, 11:02 PM
Geladen,We call this bayonet long Chong Zheng (Chong Zheng is another name for Chiang Kai Shek) in China.They made long and short version.

The scabbard for these bayonets also have several version including leather scabbard and metal scabbard.

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oldblades
01-13-2011, 01:59 AM
Very cool. Can you post some photos here and on the Japanese Forum so I can compare yours with mine?

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Now if only I could be as fortunate as you to find an actual rifle!

whitecloud
01-13-2011, 02:43 AM
Now if only I could be as fortunate as you to find an actual rifle!

Very very rare bayonet! I can read the Japanese words on the blade. 三千四十三番 means No. 3403

oldblades
01-13-2011, 03:31 AM
Thank you whitecloud.

I have a good friend, who is a internationally respected collector in HK. He had helped me with this many years ago as we were comparing notes on japanese used foreign bayonets. Many here will know the gentleman I'm talking about.
He constantly has mentioned astounding bayonet collections 'tucked away' in your country.

whitecloud
01-13-2011, 04:41 AM
Thank you whitecloud.

I have a good friend, who is a internationally respected collector in HK. He had helped me with this many years ago as we were comparing notes on japanese used foreign bayonets. Many here will know the gentleman I'm talking about.
He constantly has mentioned astounding bayonet collections 'tucked away' in your country.

thank you oldblades.

we did have astounding bayonet collections tucked away in my country. Howevere, these years I found so hard to find one because of the increasing number of collectors.

old-smithy
01-13-2011, 06:06 AM
thank you oldblades.

we did have astounding bayonet collections tucked away in my country. Howevere, these years I found so hard to find one because of the increasing number of collectors.

Are the Chinese faked chassepots basd ont he German 88 ersatz conversions based on originals that can be foudn in CHina? I have always wondered as many of th efakes are based on rare varaitions that woudl not be expected to be known my most people. WHy make the ersatz when they 1866 is more well known, especially as they then dont sell them as the ersatz? If you follow my train of thought?

whitecloud
01-13-2011, 07:14 AM
Are the Chinese faked chassepots basd ont he German 88 ersatz conversions based on originals that can be foudn in CHina? I have always wondered as many of th efakes are based on rare varaitions that woudl not be expected to be known my most people. WHy make the ersatz when they 1866 is more well known, especially as they then dont sell them as the ersatz? If you follow my train of thought?

I have seen a lot of old bayonets that made for German 88 rifle here . I don't konw too much about those fake bayonets. However I konw these fake bayonets are mainly sell to the antique shop or market , most of the people konw nothing about the bayonets, so they actually don't care about what model of the bayonets is it. They just want to buy one which look to be magnificence and dignity. So produce a bayonet with brass handle that just looks like 1866 is a good choice. But as for me and most of my friends are shame by these fantasy pieces.

seinen
01-13-2011, 09:01 AM
Now if only I could be as fortunate as you to find an actual rifle!

Excellent example and photos! I actually located the rifle first, then the bayonet about 6 months later.

C/

RedLeg2006
01-13-2011, 09:34 AM
A 1896 Transvaals bayonet from the Orange Free State. Only 400 were made. I think only 100 of them made it to South Africa and the rest went to Bannermans and then Warner Brothers Studios. Mine had no WBS on it or the Shule stamp which makes it lean more toward a South African issued piece.

prjohn
01-14-2011, 08:52 PM
lol beat me to the punch, I was just about to post that mine's a Transvaal 1896 too! Mine's got the Simson-Suhl stamps and a couple small stamps, but also no warner brothers stamps I can see.

Stede
01-14-2011, 09:10 PM
Redleg, what is the Shule stamp you speak of? I too have a Transvaal but know little about it...

HenryB
01-15-2011, 08:54 AM
My matching number SGX45 or perhaps my set with 3 different Valmet model prototypes.

Nateg513
01-15-2011, 12:40 PM
This is very difficult for me, for now I will just say a tie between these two as I have pics already and camera is dead. First is a Serbian Mauser Milanovic for train troops. Second is an Austrian style twist ersatz that fits the British SMLE, best guess on this is it is actually Irish.

Vaarok
01-15-2011, 05:46 PM
The best one I think I have, in terms of true rarity, is the Werder I lucked into last fall for fifty bucks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/Vaarok/werderbay.jpg

I've got some nice German pre-war quillbacks and butcher blade bayonets, but I've no idea how RARE they are, as opposed to merely valuable.

Likewise, in true rarity, my Taiwanese M1905 bayonet is probably Rare, but not particularly valuable.

ErsatzBayonet
01-15-2011, 06:51 PM
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Nowhere near as nice as the earlier 16" posted in this thread. This one is a 10" Bowie point. Unmarked guard.

oldblades
01-15-2011, 07:50 PM
The best one I think I have, in terms of true rarity, is the Werder I lucked into last fall for fifty bucks.



Beautiful Vaarok! Given the price tag of 50 bucks, I'm going to take a guess and say the seller thought they were selling a 'lowly' chassepot?

panzerfaust44
01-15-2011, 10:04 PM
for me,


Its my WWII BYM 44 marked K98 bayonet, scabbard doesnt match, but BYM is very hard to find.

2nd is my 1907 Siamese PUSSY CAT marked bayonet, only 10,000 were purchased and remarked by the Siamese Gov.

Trond
01-16-2011, 05:18 AM
I probably have some that are way more scarce (Krigsskolegeværet M1843), but this one is so crazy, useless, idiotic and everything else with a "U" and it still was in use for a whole generation - the Danish M1801 hirschfänger bayonet for the jäger rifles (the bottom one on the picture):

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/trondwi/Vaapen/1801hirsch.jpg

The bayonet is heavy and stood a good 5-6 cm out on the left side of the rifle, making sure the rifle was so unbalanced that shooting was impossible with the bayonet attached. It must also have been rather awkward in a bayonet fight.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/trondwi/Vaapen/1801grep2.jpg

Trond

dreamphoto
01-16-2011, 02:00 PM
This is very difficult for me, for now I will just say a tie between these two as I have pics already and camera is dead. First is a Serbian Mauser Milanovic for train troops. Second is an Austrian style twist ersatz that fits the British SMLE, best guess on this is it is actually Irish.

@Nateg are you sure for first bayonet ? Because I never see like this here is Serbia ! Any markings on it ? Please post photo of markings if this bayonet have.

Thank you in andvance

Bane

Nateg513
01-16-2011, 08:02 PM
Bane, it fits my Serbian very well, my reference for this is Dr. Jim Maddox's book on bayonets. It is Austrian made, probably.

dreamphoto
01-17-2011, 02:14 AM
Yes, I think also that this bayonet is Austrian made by OEWG probably, but I suspect that is Romanian maybe. Of course that no reduced his rarest at all !
Nateg, tell me on what kind of Mauser/Milovanovic this bayonets fits? I mean on M-80 10,15 mm, or M-80/07 7 mm. ?

old-smithy
01-17-2011, 05:46 AM
It was funny but i was just re reading Jims book and had th epage open to the Train troops blade when i checked this forum, not one I have ever seen outside Jims

XLCH1981
01-17-2011, 11:03 PM
I would have to go with my 1903 dated EFHURT German S98nAS sawback I would guess this to be more in the uncommon then rare.
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amsfelder
01-18-2011, 12:54 AM
but I suspect that is Romanian maybe.

Why?

dreamphoto
01-18-2011, 02:03 AM
Why?

Because it is no Serbian :-)

I just joking, I think that I see something similar couple years before.

Nateg513
01-18-2011, 07:33 PM
The bayonet fits the M80, the muzzle ring diameter is slightly large for the 7mm M80/07, way too big for the Romanian M93 and the offset is not quite right, if memory serves me correctly the Peabody would have had a much larger barrel diameter. I bought it out of Europe @ 4 years ago, I think it came from Greece. I have seen Jim's as well, his is nicer, I don't know how he came to identify this as a Serbian but it is very similar dimensionally to a standard M80 bayonet.

dreamphoto
01-19-2011, 02:07 AM
Nateg, thank you for your reply. Only fact that we don`t sure about this bayonet, tell about his rarest !
For now, only thing that I sure is fact that origin of this bayonet is Austrian. And quite sure that is no Serbian.
Well, who knows, I watch for this bayonet and when find something I notify you.

Best regards,
Bane

N White
01-22-2011, 10:09 PM
I believe this, one of my youngest, qualifies as my rarest.

Green-handled m7 bayonet, stamped both Colt and Armalite. It's not in the greatest shape, but I've never seen another outside of books or the internet, and doubt I will, at least for a long time.
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berserker_boy
01-22-2011, 10:16 PM
Mk 2 Australian machete bayonet with bakelite handle and finger grooves

Hal O'Peridol
01-22-2011, 11:43 PM
My rarest is either my Vickers SMLE bayonet, 10000made,most lost in the mud of WWI battlefields, or my full length Peabody Turk Martini bayonet.

James N.
01-24-2011, 03:02 PM
While nowhere as rare as many of the others pictured in this thread, this has to qualify as my "rarest", though scarce is probably a better term. My understanding ( anyone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong! ) is that - according to Michael Madaus' American Longarms - in 1854 some 20,000 M 1816 flintlock smoothbores were converted to percussion rifles ( ! ) using the newly-developed Maynard tape-priming system by utilizing NEW breeches and lock assemblys contracted for from E. Remington & Sons, Ilion, N.Y. SOMEHOW, in addition to the various locks, etc., these new-model bayonets must have been part of the "deal". I don't know whether or not 20,000 bayonets were in fact produced, but they're not often encountered today; oddly, the few I've seen were all in similar condition to mine, suggesting they saw little if any service use.

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Pictured are 3 socket bayonets for comparison; the "Remington's" in the center between a common M1855 used throughout the Civil War era ( top ), and the usually-encountered M1816 ( bottom ). It retains the angled mounting slot with no locking ring and thick shank of its predecessor; but the blade itself's identical in length, width, and marking to the M1855. I've included photos of the markings of both it, only a shallow U. S., and the M1816's deep U S over W R. Now if I only had the rifle to mount it on!

Gudnuff
01-24-2011, 04:07 PM
My rarest is a 71/84 MS made by Sommerda394291

Stede
01-24-2011, 04:17 PM
oddly, the few I've seen were all in similar condition to mine, suggesting they saw little if any service use.
Mine is the twin of yours, James- for some years after acquiring it (Austin gun show, 1981) I thought it must have been buffed and polished down to the bare metal. But as you've noted they all seem to be this way, and probably for the reason you hazard.

James N.
01-24-2011, 07:23 PM
oddly, the few I've seen were all in similar condition to mine, suggesting they saw little if any service use.
Mine is the twin of yours, James- for some years after acquiring it (Austin gun show, 1981) I thought it must have been buffed and polished down to the bare metal. But as you've noted they all seem to be this way, and probably for the reason you hazard.

Stede,

That's probably about the same time I got mine, though no doubt at either a Dallas or Ft. Worth gun show. I wonder if some "cache" of them surfaced at that time; or was it just coincidental? As to their use, I think it was evident pretty early in the war that the Maynard system was for various reasons a failure, so they were probably warehoused. The bayonets were serviceable enough, but only on the obsolete '16's, so they probably disappeared the same way. Still a relatively beautiful socket bayonet though - mine has a little staining in the grain of the metal in a spot or two, but absolutely NO rust or pitting and apparantly is still in factory polish.

frakesmj
01-24-2011, 08:06 PM
From my better half's collection: A St. Etienne Gras, November 1879 (no serial number); a Chassepot, Dec 1871 nickel plated. The blade she likes the best is not a bayonet, but a hand made Philippines bolo knife, wooden handle and scabbard, hand engraved with "Battaan Death March".

biggs1deer
01-27-2011, 05:02 PM
Danish bayonet for a 1867 rolling block and a Russian Panshin.

Mondragon
01-27-2011, 07:57 PM
Mexican spade bayonet for Model 1908

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oldblades
01-27-2011, 09:27 PM
^^^^^^^ Now that Mondragon is one cool bayonet. That would easily take rarest and favorite in my collection. I'd like a couple more pictures please.

Mondragon
01-27-2011, 10:43 PM
Good eye OldBlade! These bayonets are rarer than the gun (33 known rifles vs 4 known bayonets) A real nice conition bayonet sold about a year or two ago for $4000 on GB. One mint piece is in the Swiss museum and two "beat" ones are in private collections, mine being one of them.

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oldblades
01-27-2011, 11:34 PM
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing this.
This thread is a showcase that I would hope to reach 'Sticky Status' one of these days. Personally, I would prefer sooner rather than later. Lotta fun.

porterkids
01-28-2011, 05:01 AM
I believe there are more than four known examples. Two of my friends have them in their collections, both complete with scabbards and cleaning rods. I saw another in Baltimore three or four years ago. Jim Maddox shows one in his book.

arado
01-28-2011, 05:28 AM
My rarest bayonet is for a SVT38. I found the rifle first then came the fun to find the bayonet. have not taken pictures. Think I will, just for the record. Gary

porterkids
01-28-2011, 06:12 AM
I was having a little trouble deciding what to post here. Without some parameters defining "rare" it was hard to pick one specific piece. Rare could be the hardest to find bayonet you have or the most valuable. I decided to put up some photos based on which pieces I had already photographed and had posted elsewhere on the web.

Benhof mock up wire cutter bayonet
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images/Benhof-1.jpg

US T-47 for the experimental T-44 rifle
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images/T47-1.jpg

Winchester SPIW
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images/WinSPIW-1.JPG

Springfiled SPIW
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images/SpringSPIW-1.JPG

Black handled M7, one of eight according to Cole
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images/M7-1.JPG

Bayonet for MAC10 SMG, not extremely rare but pretty crude and cool
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images/MAC-1.JPG

All of these have been featured on http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/ Check out the site if you have a few hours of spare time. Don't miss the Archives page. Tons of information and photos from past years.

porterkids
01-28-2011, 06:20 AM
How do you post photos so they show up as thumbnails rather than full size?

porterkids
01-28-2011, 10:22 AM
Here are a couple more relatively rare pieces. These are Lan-Cay bayonets manufactured for the 2002 USMC bayonet trials. They look like M9 bayonets but they have longer, 8" blades. (The standard M9 has a 7-1/2" blade) There were about a dozen of these made.

http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images_2/USlngM9x2a.jpg

Here's a shot with the longer blades and their standard length counterparts:

http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/images_2/USusmcTrialsAll.jpg

The bayonets are currently in my collection. Photos courtsey of Dr. James Maddox via usmilitaryknives.com

Motor
01-28-2011, 10:36 AM
Has to be my rarest. It's my only.
Fiskars SK Y
Judging by descriptions on the parent site it's for a M28 or M28-30.
Motor

Mondragon
01-29-2011, 12:12 AM
Do they have the guns to go with them?

gunsgunsguns
01-29-2011, 01:26 AM
My rarest is a bayonet for the Fusiliergewehr 1860 Dreyse needlegun. Saw it at an antique shop labeled as a Mauser 71 bayonet. Knew that didn't seem correct, but bought it anyway. Got it home and it sure didn't fit my 71, so I started going through my books. Went up to talk to my wife and said "I just bought a bayonet for a rifle I'll never own", she promply replied that we should sell it. I said I liked it and will keep it awhile. About 3 months later I run across a 1860 needlegun at a gunshow, never seen one previously, knew it was destiny... They fit nicely together.

Richard in NY*
01-29-2011, 03:15 AM
Good eye OldBlade! These bayonets are rarer than the gun (33 known rifles vs 4 known bayonets) A real nice conition bayonet sold about a year or two ago for $4000 on GB. One mint piece is in the Swiss museum and two "beat" ones are in private collections, mine being one of them.

Mondragon:

That's a great piece! :thumbsup:

Here's my contribution along similar lines. It's not a bayonet, but I understand that this bowie style knife was issued with the Mexican Mondragon in addition to the spade. That's all I know. :( If you or anyone else can provide me with any additional information on this piece, it would be most appreciated. :)

By the way, the M95 Nagant revolver has nothing to do with this piece. It's only in the photo to illustrate how large the knife is. I know I'll never have a Mondragon, and I don't collect Mexican rifles, but when I saw this blade, I had to have it. It's simply beautiful, almost a piece of art.

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porterkids
01-29-2011, 09:20 AM
Do they have the guns to go with them?

No, they are strictly bayonet collectors.

Mondragon
01-29-2011, 10:58 PM
I have heard people who are selling that knife and their story, but I have never heard or have seen any official documentation to that effect. Why would they issue a knife? I know of no military organiztaion that issued a full sized knife and a bayonet. Also, it is not certain the Mexican army were issued the model 1908 rifle. I say that because I track the serial#s and no gun with "Republica Mexicana" has ever surfaced.

Richard in NY*
01-29-2011, 11:34 PM
I have heard people who are selling that knife and their story, but I have never heard or have seen any official documentation to that effect. Why would they issue a knife? I know of no military organiztaion that issued a full sized knife and a bayonet. Also, it is not certain the Mexican army were issued the model 1908 rifle. I say that because I track the serial#s and no gun with "Republica Mexicana" has ever surfaced.

As I mentioned, I don't have much information on this knife, that's why I requested assistance from those who do. Since neither one of us has any hard facts, I can only speculate how to answer the reasonable questions you raised.

As to why a large bowie type knife would have been issued with a then, state-of-the-art rifle, I don't know. It doesn't make sense. Just like it doesn't make much sense to issue a sharpened flour scoop as a state-of-the-art entrenching tool-bayonet. ;)

As to why issue a knife alongside a bayonet, I can only surmise that because the scoop bayonet could not perform normal cutting duties, it was thought that a regular cutting edge had to be issued. One step forward, two steps back.

I know almost nothing about the Mondragon, but I know a little about human nature. I can easily imagine the Mondragon being sold as a complete "weapon system" with everything a modern infantryman would need. I can also imagine the Mexican generals in charge of approving the purchase, feeling a kinship with the classically styled bowie. It would not be the first time that a committee got swept away with nonsensical do-dads that had little practicality in the field.

Your last comment, "no gun with "Republica Mexicana" has ever surfaced", has me confused. :? Your scoop bayonet is so marked. I'm missing something here but I don't know what? Please explain. Thanks. :)

Mondragon
01-30-2011, 07:03 AM
Thanks for your input on this, I am always looking for opinions as well as facts on this gun.

"I don't know. It doesn't make sense. Just like it doesn't make much sense to issue a sharpened flour scoop as a state-of-the-art entrenching tool-bayonet."
Bayonets are not supposed to be sharpened, injury is based on depth of wound as opposed to slashing. Many bayonets have no cutting edge at all, such as the british spike bayoets or soviet triangle blade bayonet. I think I have seen this scoop design on American civil war guns, I am guessing that the design lends itself to digging a foxhole more than puncturing people.

"Your last comment, "no gun with "Republica Mexicana" has ever surfaced", has me confused. Your scoop bayonet is so marked. I'm missing something here but I don't know what? Please explain. Thanks."

All the Mexican military guns I have ever seen are stamped with the "Eagle crest" and "Republica Mexicana" over the barrel chamber. I have never seen this on any Mondragon rifle.

Victor

Mondragon
01-30-2011, 07:09 AM
Great! Its good to know there are more out there , especially complete with scabbard. Do your friends want to part with one?

Victor

porterkids
01-30-2011, 10:22 AM
Great! Its good to know there are more out there , especially complete with scabbard. Do your friends want to part with one?

Victor

If they did I would be able to say that I have one in my collection.

old-smithy
01-30-2011, 11:20 AM
Very true Bill!

madcratebuilder
02-03-2011, 01:36 PM
Some nice old steel posted. My Brit cruciform is about the rarest I have followed by my "Hospital Corpsman" knife.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Enfields/LotImg2260-1.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Bayonets/corps01.jpg

Death-Ace
02-03-2011, 04:26 PM
I did have a Polish Perkin-made 98k (I believe) w/ a German scabbard for reissue. The nice thing? Serial number: 550000.

pirogoeth
02-19-2011, 09:31 AM
m1 carbine M4 blade, m1 garand grip and lock.

black plastic grips, single screw, 6 inch blade.

now with crappy pics

http://pirogoeth.imgur.com/bayonet#4oy1R

the guard is pinned in place with 2 pins, there is a H stamped onto it, only marking on the entire bayonet.

the guard is staked to the blade.

oldblades
02-19-2011, 09:40 AM
My Brit cruciform is about the rarest I have

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Enfields/LotImg2260-1.jpg


I just saw one of these yesterday at a local gun shop for 125. I'm not really in to these, but know enough that the cruciform caught my eye. Is that a good price?

1886lebel
02-19-2011, 10:15 AM
My rarest is the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1902 Indochinois that was used on the Fusil de Tirailleur Indochinois Modèle 1902

http://s4.postimage.org/8i9tpdmw4/1890_Bayo1.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/8i9tpdmw4/)

grimlin13
02-21-2011, 02:43 AM
My rarest bayonet that I still own. An S84/98 1943 ab matching numbers bayonet. Has that lovely black bluing on the blade and cross guard. I paid the least for it too.

William B Vogel
02-21-2011, 01:53 PM
That looks to me like one of the full sized M1/05 bayonets that were ground down by the Korens to M4 blade size. They were common a few years ago. The funny thing was they didn't keep the bayonets and the scabbards togeather. I bought two bayonets without scabbards, put them up. Later I bought two scabbards, but I haven't been able to find my bayonets. So they still are not togeather. One of mine was marked WT on the latch.

45Auto
02-26-2011, 12:08 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/45Auto/WWI%20Equipment/MVC-857X.jpg

The bayonet is an unmarked Remington contract model 1886/1915 made for France in WWI. The hard to find part is the wire cutter attachment called the "coupe barbelé système "FILLOUX."

Cannonball888
03-04-2011, 08:28 PM
http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/03/mikesrifles2055-1.jpg

FN FAL Type B import.
Only 500 imported into the USA.

2nd would be Enfield No. 4 Mk1 cruciform spike
3rd would be SVT40 early model with edge toward the barrel lug.
4th would be M1 Garand 1943 PAL uncut

Misfit 45
03-12-2011, 10:05 AM
Here's my 1895 Lee Remington Navy bayonet. It's probably my "rarest".
Marv

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/Misfit-45/012A11895RemingtonLeeNavy.jpg

Misfit 45
03-12-2011, 10:17 AM
m1 carbine M4 blade, m1 garand grip and lock.

black plastic grips, single screw, 6 inch blade.

now with crappy pics

http://pirogoeth.imgur.com/bayonet#4oy1R

the guard is pinned in place with 2 pins, there is a H stamped onto it, only marking on the entire bayonet.

the guard is staked to the blade.

Pirogoeth, based on the pictures, it looks like the Korean modified M1 Garand bayonet, not carbine. Take it to a gun show and see what it fits to be sure.
Marv

vintovka
03-12-2011, 10:21 AM
A 1896 Transvaals bayonet from the Orange Free State. Only 400 were made. I think only 100 of them made it to South Africa and the rest went to Bannermans and then Warner Brothers Studios. Mine had no WBS on it or the Shule stamp which makes it lean more toward a South African issued piece.

FWIW: Aquired 2 of these w/s from WB sale many years ago. Piles of stuff including 100's of trapdoor springfields, parts, prop trapdoor flintlocks and misc bayos of all kinds. The sale came on the heels of a big surplus dump of Brazilian and Venuzulian arms so prices were low even by 1980's standards. Prices were as low as $1 or $2 for 71/84 or 1909 argies w/s. The "WB" mark was only on a few of the true prop items and many piece looked like they came direct from arsenal storage others showed heavy "prop" use marks. Some had "stembridge gun rentals" tags on them.

sgtrock21
03-12-2011, 01:53 PM
410067410066410065410064410063410062Thank You for the M1905 information. Mine is dated 1919 while the scabbard is dated 1906. It is valuable to me as the 1919 date matches the barrel date on my M1903 Mk1 Springfield rifle. The bayonet retains about 50% of it's nickel plating. Was this for ceremonial/parade use?

PREST1
03-31-2011, 07:04 AM
The rarest bayonet i own must be this:
A norwegian Krag bayonet and frog with Fjeld's button. And a quite nice serial number.
416613416612416611

I sent the pictures to Hanevik and he say's that this is the first bayonet who came with the M1912 carabine (the first 500 had short bayonet's)

celtan
04-14-2011, 08:48 PM
Hi Trond,

I have one just like these. Beautiful pommel, but the blade is shorter and slightly curved, like a French Briquet. Haven't seen anything like it anywhere. Any ideas?
Best
M

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r371/runswithswords/Norwegian%20M1777-1801%20Hirschfanger/swed1777briquetstand.jpg


I probably have some that are way more scarce (Krigsskolegeværet M1843), but this one is so crazy, useless, idiotic and everything else with a "U" and it still was in use for a whole generation - the Danish M1801 hirschfänger bayonet for the jäger rifles (the bottom one on the picture):

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/trondwi/Vaapen/1801hirsch.jpg

The bayonet is heavy and stood a good 5-6 cm out on the left side of the rifle, making sure the rifle was so unbalanced that shooting was impossible with the bayonet attached. It must also have been rather awkward in a bayonet fight.



Trond

Groupie
04-14-2011, 09:47 PM
Galenden, I have a Chinese like your's that the 2nd one I've Ever seen

Groupie
04-14-2011, 10:02 PM
Probably the Dutch 1895 folder which is still attached to the "Police Carbine" it a good bit like the ones on the Chinese T53. Other honoriable mentions the Jap T-100 excellent with frog and orginal cosmoline. 1938 Tokarev, [Still seeking a 1936 Simonov] Several supposed Chinese with cuniform blades that have half circle cut outs on the blade. AR-10 Interarms tool bayonet. Sorry not able to send photos buddy that helps me with pictures is in hospital.

Groupie
04-14-2011, 10:12 PM
Not so rare as odd. Have a '03 Springfield cut down that's a spear point as I recall, But on top it's "ground" down to give a false edge, this was not a hack job, runs within less than a 1/4 " to the gaurd ring. Never seen another one modified this way.

Groupie
04-14-2011, 10:16 PM
I'd luv to see a close up of the T-35 I have a rifle but no bayonet.

yardbird
04-15-2011, 05:35 PM
Not sure how rare, but you don't see them very often..or at least I never see then often..Long one is a 1905 and the short one 1913..

DustyBottoms
04-17-2011, 01:22 PM
1938 k98 Matching numbers w/ DAK Frog. I know the bayonet isn't very rare, but I'm pretty sure the original frog is. Any idea on value?


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oxi81
06-19-2011, 04:52 AM
Not sure how rare, but you don't see them very often..or at least I never see then often..Long one is a 1905 and the short one 1913..

The 1913 short one is a KS98 and the scabbard and frog are incorrect for this type of bayonet. However, if you want to get rid of the bayo, I could be interested by... ;)

Francois

sawdoc34
06-19-2011, 05:23 AM
Prpbably my 3 17 dated Vickers made P1913 bayonet

JPS
06-19-2011, 08:42 AM
Hello Gents,

I’ve been at it a long time and of course my collection is entirely centered on WWI or weapons produced earlier that saw service during the Great War. I can’t narrow the field to one single bayonet since each of you would have different opinions, based on personal preferences were you to wade through the collection to try and find the rarest bayonet of the whole lot???! So here are my choices whittled down from a very broad cross section based on the combatant nations who fought in the Great War……

Starting with Germany, in order of appearance in the following photo, from left to right…..

S71/98 – S98/02 – S69/98 – Mle 74 Gras con to 98 – S15 Gottscho SB – Ersatz with a French Mle 1886 Lebel epee blade.

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The next bayonet is a S1869 Werder 3-step conversion for mounting on the Gew 88 (middle bayonet in both photos).

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This photo was pulled out of background of a larger photo, which is why it's not too clear or sharp. The bayonet is one of the rarest ersatz of trench knife length. I don't recall the E.B. # for this one? It's just above the "crank-handle" in the photo.

438986

The next rare ersatz bayonet in the following photo is the S88/98/05 at the bottom, below the other more common S98/05 pattern ersatz bayonets.

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The following ersatz bayonet is an example that was made specifically the Russian M1891 Three-Line rifle. This example has the fullered blade. I also have he other pattern without the fullers, but don’t have a photo of the second pattern available.

438988

I also have a broad cross section of ersatz bayonets that were produced using obsolete socket bayonet blades. While all of these bayonets are rare, the most valuable of the lot is the example in the center with the brass grip.

438989

The last of the “rarest” German ersatz bayonets from my collection is indeed, the rarest of the rare! This bayonet was forged out of scrap iron in Africa by Askaris of the German East African Schutztruppe during the amazing campaign led by the famous Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck. A very small number of these bayonets were produced for use with the 71 Jaeger Gew’s that the Askari Companies were issued before hostilities commenced in 1914.

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The additional rare German bayonets in the collection that I don’t currently have photos of are a Siamese M1888 with German marked spine and the S71/84 SB.


Moving on to Austria-Hungary I have two bayonets that would potentially equate to the “rarest” theme of this thread. The first is a M1885 bayonet (if memory serves me correctly?). It’s shown here with a M1873-77 Werndl Finance-Gewehr, which is one of only 1184 of this carbine pattern that was produced for the guards at the Treasury Department.

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The next Austro-Hungarian candidate for most rare is the M67/73 Werndl ersatz “cork-screw” bayonet. It’s the only example I’ve ever encountered outside of a museum. It’s quite ingenious in its simplicity and will fit any of the entire series of Werndl rifles.

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The middle carbine, with bayonet in this photo, is the Belgian M1888 Comblain. A total of only 4,000 of these carbines and bayonets were produced. This was the last single-shot weapon adopted by the Belgian Army prior to the development of the M1889 Belgian Mauser.

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And the last two bayonets covered in this post, before I run out of uploads, are both in the same photo. The top bayonet is the French Mle 1902 Indochinois, which was issued with one of the Berthier rifle patterns that was developed for Colonial troops. The example at the bottom is perhaps the rarest French bayonet of this entire period. it's the Mle 1916 experimental knife bladed bayonet for issue with the Mle 1886 Lebel or any of the Wartime manufactured Berthier rifles.

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That’s it for this post. A few more photos in the next post and I’ll be finished!

To be continued………
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JPS
06-19-2011, 09:18 AM
Continuing where we left off, here we have two Italian M1870 Truppe Speciale for the Vetterli Carbine that was originally produced as a single-shot in 1870. The top carbine is still in its original single-shot configuration, while the bottom example was converted to 6.5x52mm repeater during WWI.

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All of the three bayonets in the photo below are for the various models of the M1870 Vetterli-Vitali or the M1870/15 Vetterli-Carcano conversion to the 6.5x52mm smokeless cartridge. The middle bayonet is an ersatz version with a brass grip, while the bottom is a M1891 Mannlicher-Carcano bayonet that has been converted to fit the larger diameter muzzle of the Vetterli . A new crossguard with a larger muzzle ring diameter set closer to the grip was required to fit the side mounted bayonet lug on the right side of the Vatterli's barrel. The top bayonet is one of the same TS models in the previous photo.

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These three bayonets are all M1891 pattern bayonets. The top example is for the TS Carbine while the two below are both for the M1891Rifle. The rare example is the ersatz pattern with the brass grip. Small patches of the original paint still appear on the brass surface.

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And the last bayonet vying for the rarest in the collection is this beautiful, mint Serbian M1878/80 bayonet. I have the scabbard as well, which is in very good condition, but does not appear in any of the photos I have on file. What makes this beautiful bayonet in “as-new” condition extra special is the fact that it is serialized to the rifle! They are a matching pair.

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While I’m sure that I must have missed something, this group will do for now. Now if you Gents will be so kind as to weigh in on the various choices for rarest, please be my guest and cast your vote!

I’m curious to see who favors what????

Warmest regards,

JPS

bayonet1234
06-19-2011, 10:22 AM
Rareity has always been a great subject .As always rare does not always mean expensive. One of my rarer bayonets is a nice lancaster with scabbard has the pre 1858 riveted shorter spring only 4000 made and many of these had been upgraded to the screw atachment. There are less lancasters out there than the elchos but the elchos will go for 4 or 5 times the price of a lancaster. I missed a transvaal out in California about 12 years ago was going for 175.00 but by the time I got back from the ATM it was gone aarrgghh!. Great Japanese Chassepot I check everyone I see looking for Japanese markings.

ttenoyab
06-19-2011, 11:45 AM
JPS,
The model 1888 Comblain, which is very rare, is known as the Forester's Comblain (for forest rangers). It was not army issue but from the Ministry of Finance.
The last produced Comblain for the Army was the cavalry carbine, "Mousqueton de Cavalerie M 1871". This M1871 was later modified into the "M1871-1883" for the "Regiment du Train"; a further modification of the latter called the "M1871-1883 modifié" was for administration troops.
The last produced Comblain for the Garde Civique was the M1882.

Mike the Moomin
06-19-2011, 01:44 PM
I guess mine will be Swedish M1915.

marine 1058
06-19-2011, 02:34 PM
It's between my RIA 1917 Fencing bayonet, 2 Navy 1943 MK1 Training bayonets, or my Japanese Pole bayonet W/bamboo scabbard.

John Sukey
06-19-2011, 04:26 PM
You tell me, I honestly don't know:
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(Had to break up the pic to load it)

OK Dave, now just how long did it take you to set up the pics and how long did it take to put evereything away?;)

JPS
06-19-2011, 06:02 PM
JPS,
The model 1888 Comblain, which is very rare, is known as the Forester's Comblain (for forest rangers). It was not army issue but from the Ministry of Finance.
The last produced Comblain for the Army was the cavalry carbine, "Mousqueton de Cavalerie M 1871". This M1871 was later modified into the "M1871-1883" for the "Regiment du Train"; a further modification of the latter called the "M1871-1883 modifié" was for administration troops.
The last produced Comblain for the Garde Civique was the M1882.


Thank you ttenoyab,

Great info! While I knew it was the M1888, I never found any information regarding which units it was issued to! I'll add this to my notes! Excellent!......Thanks again!

Happy Father's Day!

JPS

celtan
06-19-2011, 09:31 PM
I have one like yours, strangely enough, it seems to have a waffenamp in the crossguard...




The rarest bayonet i own must be this:
A norwegian Krag bayonet and frog with Fjeld's button. And a quite nice serial number.
416613416612416611

I sent the pictures to Hanevik and he say's that this is the first bayonet who came with the M1912 carabine (the first 500 had short bayonet's)

celtan
06-19-2011, 09:54 PM
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r371/runswithswords/Blade%20Bucket/CIMG2440.jpg

DANISH M/1815 SABER BAYONET


http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r371/runswithswords/Blade%20Bucket/DSCN1476.jpg

USN M/1870

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r371/runswithswords/Blade%20Bucket/DanishM1915Bayonet07.jpg

DANISH M/1915

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r371/runswithswords/Blade%20Bucket/DSCN3258.jpg

Japanese ARISAKA Type 44 Carbine with collapsible bayonet.

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r371/runswithswords/Blade%20Bucket/DSCN3262.jpg

ttenoyab
06-20-2011, 11:57 AM
JPS,
Would it be possible to post a few more photos of the first Comblain rifle, the top one in the photo of the Belgian fire arms with the M1868 Terssen bayonet.
I don't recognize this model.

JPS
06-22-2011, 08:25 PM
Hello ttenoyab,

Here are some additional photos per your request. Any and all ID help would be greatly appreciated! I believe it to be one of the South American export models, but which one? All of the markings are Belgian, however it lacks a Belgian military acceptance mark. Perhaps you can properly identify this particular model?

Thanks for you help!

Warmest regards,

JPS

Lobo RSA
06-23-2011, 03:16 AM
Hi Cannonball,

Your FN FAL type B interests me as they were not issued here in the RSA either. We do have all the other types. I managed to aquire an excellent example the other day and am interested in the USA connection?

Vic
06-23-2011, 07:23 AM
A m28/30 modified blade for trial in the m/39 rifle. Only 150 made and unknown amount survive with original scabbard.

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WVchuck
06-23-2011, 01:30 PM
I don't know about the rare part out there, but for me where I'm located, these took years of searching for and ended up finding them on line at prices that I could afford.

ttenoyab
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
JPS,
This Comblain rifle looks very much like the "Comblain Model 1870 for export". This model, with minor model variations, has been exported to Chile, Brazil and Peru, where they received proper model designations. Additional non-belgian markings are the only way to distinguish what country they belong(ed) to.
F.e., Brazilian ones were marked IB under crown in a circle. No idea what the markings on Chilean or Peruvian Comblains were.

MikeS
09-07-2011, 09:33 PM
Well, to keep it going, here are a couple. Don't know if they are the rarest, but they are uncommon...

First an Austrian Werndl converted for the Gew. 88 and below a French Gras converted for the Gew. 88 with an Sg71 crossguard marked to the 2nd Landwehr:
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Two German made Austro-Hungarian Ersatz Bayonets. Top for the M95 and the bottom is as far as I know the only example of one of these made for the Austrian issued Gew. 88 rifles. Regimental markings to the AH 97th Regiment:
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Thanks for looking!

- Mike

Nateg513
09-10-2011, 12:36 PM
Here are some Italian ersatz bayonets. The top two are not truly ersatz, but uncommon none the less. They are from top to bottom: 1) Vetterli TS with short spring. 2) Vetterli TS long spring. 3) Vetterli Ersatz with TS cruciform blade. 4) Vetterli Ersatz with Carcano blade. 5) Vetterli Ersatz with coil spring press stud. 6) M91 TS Ersatz. 7) M91 Ersatz. 8) Italian Ersatz for Austrian M95. 9) Italian Ersatz for Austrian M88.

brett2bikes
09-12-2011, 02:53 PM
i have a brown bess napoleonic musket bayonet, its been tipped very nice but needs cleaning, its up for sale if anyone is interested, drop me a pm..

nothernug
09-12-2011, 04:22 PM
Well, not "rare" but likely as close as I will get. I'll include three since I don't know what an order of precedent might be. Maybe someone will tell me???
The first is a P1853 bayo. It lacks the crown indicating it would have been used by the regular British crown forces and Salter was a well known supplier to the American Civil War. But that is no proof as it may have been used by any of colony forces as I understand it. The only recommendation for CW use is that I found it at a Civil War trade show in the USA and that's mighty thin.

The next bayonet is, if I'm not mistaken, a Finn M28 bayo but, possibly in the wrong scabbard?

Finally a Yugoslav refurbished M24b bayo rendered from a German 98/05 "butcher blade" bayo net. I am told by Branko Bogdanovic, Yugoslav arms expert and bayonet collector, that of the types of bayos rendered into M24B bayonets, this is the "rarest." But where in the terms of bayonet collecting that puts it, I have no idea. Not very high I suspect.
That's all I have then. I don't know if any of these at all qualifies in the "rare" category of not. probably "not", But, it's all I have to offer. :sorry:

463082 463094 463084 463085 463086 463087 463095

trajan
09-13-2011, 05:52 AM
This thread is proving quite fascinating with regard to seeing lots of rare, uncommon and other bayonets!

As for my own small collection, my rarest would appear to be my unconverted Greek Mannlicher-Schoenauer Y1903 (discussed and illustrated on another GB thread) - only about 130,000 originally made and the majority later having the crossguard converted to the fit the Mannlicher-Steyr 95. My second rarest is probably my Volunteer British P1888 Mk.I 2nd type, as this is a Wilkinson product, December 1890: Wilkinson apparently produced a combined total of some 108,000 Mk.I 2nd type and Mk.II P1888 bayonets, so I would guesstimate that mine is one in about 10,000... That 10,000 sounds like a lot - but consider that most of these would have been broken up and the blades melted down for re-use in later years...!!!

Trajan

Fushigi Ojisan
09-13-2011, 07:59 PM
Tossup between my Vietnam-Era M1917 by General Cutlery and Turk "Enfauser" bayonet made from an Pattern 1907 bayonet.

BB91
09-13-2011, 08:32 PM
A m28/30 modified blade for trial in the m/39 rifle. Only 150 made and unknown amount survive with original scabbard.

http://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=439939&d=1308831835

Vic, I am sooooo....... Jealous. Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

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tgus
09-14-2011, 09:12 AM
I don't have many bayonets but have a couple of the rare green handle Colts
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farmdog
09-28-2011, 12:54 AM
I have only really started collecting bayonets this year. AK bayonets are the only ones that I collect so I would have to say either my Indian INSAS or my Romanian Type II transitional.

madcratebuilder
09-28-2011, 08:21 AM
Has the price of bayonets skyrocketed lately or I'm just living under a rock?

JPS
09-30-2011, 01:24 AM
JPS,
This Comblain rifle looks very much like the "Comblain Model 1870 for export". This model, with minor model variations, has been exported to Chile, Brazil and Peru, where they received proper model designations. Additional non-belgian markings are the only way to distinguish what country they belong(ed) to.
F.e., Brazilian ones were marked IB under crown in a circle. No idea what the markings on Chilean or Peruvian Comblains were.

Hello ttenoyab,

Sorry I missed hour follow up info and comments. Regarding the export Comblain in the photo, I checked the rifle and it has a Crown/JC marked on the side of the action and the top barrel flat. It's Liege commercial inspection marked of course, but has no Belgian Govt. acceptance mark (EG over B or GB in an oval). It was manufactured by "G MORDANT" over "LIEGE" on the top barrel flat and is marked "COMBLAIN BREVET" on the right side of the action.

I have a second Comblain in my collection that is almost identical to the rifle in the photo above, however the other rifle is finished in the white, has no external hammer and the butt-plate, nosecap and barrel bands are all brass. Dimensionally both rifles are identical in pattern, i.e. the barrels are the same length, the stock furniture is in the same locations on both rifles. However, the trigger guard/action levers are slightly different in shape, as are the retaining latches that hold the lever closed. The clearing rods are slightly different as well. This rifle is marked with a Liege commercial inspection mark, but no manufacturer's marking as are found on the rifle above. There usual patent mark that appears on most Comblains ("COMBLAIN BREVET") is not present on either side of the action of this rifle?

I'll shoot some close up photos of the two rifles and then start a new thread on the Mannlicher & Black Powder Forum. I'll PM you when the photos are posted.

Thanks again for your help with this! I'd love to eventually find out who these two rifles were sold to and when.

Warmest regards,

JPS

PolarBearBait
10-12-2011, 07:52 PM
My collection is AK-centric, so I think I would go with my Romanian transitional AKM type II bayonet
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FixBayonets
10-15-2011, 07:55 PM
Here are my entries....



German M1902 Pioneer Sawback


German S98 - a/A Sawback


German "Ersoc" Brass Handled Ersatz


Australian P1907 Mk 1


Italian M1871/87/15 Vetterli Ersatz


Russian M1868 Berdan I


French M1890/12 Berthier Chinois


French M1895 Daudeteau


Austrian M1890 Ersatz


French M1866/74 Chassepot Gendarmerie Socket

jarmann
10-23-2011, 04:14 AM
rarest is the guarde civique comblain 1882 bayonet and two swedish jarmann bayonets ,and soon a nsw alexander henry bayonet ,always including the rifles (no rifle without the correct bayonet )
greetings from flanders
jarmann

jarmann
10-24-2011, 05:53 AM
I forgot the comblain swordbayonet model 1871 (bronze comblain guarde civic artillery /genie/chasseurs éclaireurs.)
and the winchester 1873 musket bayonet (export to the turks??? )

greetings jarmann

farmdog
04-02-2012, 11:38 AM
Well I have to update my rarest bayonet from my AK collection (since that is all I collect). It would have to be my Romanian Type II now.


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Lido
04-05-2012, 03:21 PM
- My rarest bayonet from my collection has to be a M91/24 socket bayonet modified in Finland during the 1920s for the 7.62mm M-24 bolt-action rifle with stepped barrel. There is a recess at the rear face of the socket in order to deal with the barrel step and the heavy locking ring was modified to allow a higher front sight to go through. The new serial number stamped in Finland on my M91/24 socket bayonet is "S 71179", showing that the bayonet (with its rifle) was issued in the military district of Sortavala (the town of Sortavala is located on the side of Lake Ladoga and after WW2 Finland lost to Soviet Union that large area). Initially my M91/24 bayonet was an ordinary Russian made M1891 socket bayonet manufactured at Tula arsenal and stamped with the "hammer" mark on the elbow. Lido 04/05/12

ionionescu
04-09-2012, 03:48 PM
Hello everyone!
My rarest bayonet is a Romanian M1893 Mannlicher with Ars. Arm. marking on the ricasso (normally marked OE WG), this particular bayonet was captured by the Austro-Hungarian forces and transformed in a NCO model (the Romanian NCOs had the same model as the regular troops). I already discussed this matter with Carl from old-smithy.info but no one seems to know what Ars. Arm. stands for.
Regards!

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ionionescu
04-14-2012, 02:57 AM
Hello everybody!

My rarest bayonet is a Romanian M1893 Mannlicher with rare marking on the ricasso: Ars. Arm., it seems that no one knows what it stands for and my Mannlicher M1893 is the only example known at this moment with this marking (previously it was assumed that only the Mannlicher M1895's had this unknown marking).

Regards!

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AndyB
04-14-2012, 06:08 AM
I believe a Bulgarian collector Metodij already solved the riddle, is a romanian production facility or refurbischment.

ionionescu
04-14-2012, 06:32 AM
@AndyB, my theory is that this bayonet was repaired my the Romanians during WW1 because it was damaged during the fights and with this occasion they removed the Austrian markings (OE WG) and stamped the Ars. Arm. which in Romanian language could mean Arsenalul Armatei (Army Arsenal) but I have no hard evidence for this theory.

AndyB
04-14-2012, 12:54 PM
There is same opinion by the Bulgarian collector as one of the russian collector, anyway as there were only M95 bayonets so marked, the romanian source would be possibility but not 100%, the latin alphabet is only in Romania, and Slovenia, other countries that used cyrilica, but with M93 bayonet i believe is more real, when You wrote in google the full name of arsenal, there will find a site which is in roman, there is more info, by other languages is only minimum info about it.
my M95 Ars Arm is certainly not a rework, but more possibility a new blade, the crosspiece is not a bulgarian replacement and on pommel is 34?? V i assumed its a serial number.

Moonlitin
04-14-2012, 03:23 PM
This Swiss M14 sawback bayonet is probably my most unique babyonet.
http://home.comcast.net/~t.vandyke/pwpimages/swiss_m14_sawback.jpg

Milsurp
10-31-2012, 09:41 AM
Martini Henry Carbine sawback bayonet. next to the P07 Hooked quillion that I also have. Also the Australian Machete bayonet for the SMLE
+1 for the Australian Parachutist (Machete) Bayonet

painterjohn
11-01-2012, 08:05 AM
Well I have to update my rarest bayonet from my AK collection (since that is all I collect). It would have to be my Romanian Type II now.


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Sir,...that looks to me to be the Izhevsk factory marking..the Romanian markings on my M44 are similiar but do not have the fletching on the arrow..601005 601007

Not an AK bay collector but I do have a 1/2 dozen or so and many com-bloc rifles..if I'm wrong I hope you will fill me in on the details.

Cheers, and welcome to Gunboards!

bones92
11-01-2012, 08:27 AM
My rarest bayonet?

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?279782-Can-anyone-identify-this-unusual-SVT-bayonet

Levi
11-01-2012, 12:22 PM
Mine would be a SkY Fiskars 28/30 bayonet.

TP
11-01-2012, 01:00 PM
Well I finally was able to get photos of the bayonet I mentioned in post #5 of this thread oh so long ago, and I quote:

The Imperial German conversion of the French M1874 Gras rifle bayonet to fit the Gew98 and the Kar98a, I forget the Carter number. This involved using the Gras bayonet's T-shaped blade making modifications to the hilt and and fitting a Mauser style pommel with TO slot. New grips were fitted as well. Mine is not in the best of condition, it appears to be a post WW1 battlefield recovery with some heavy pitting to both the scabbard and bayonet but the wood is still solid and after careful cleaning it fits a Gew98 very nicely.

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PREST1
11-07-2012, 07:48 AM
I have one like yours, strangely enough, it seems to have a waffenamp in the crossguard...


Yeah. It's a socalled "Hird" bayonet

These were made at Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk during the war. They had no serial number but waffenamp on the crossguard. Should have a number on the scabbard and the scabbard has no chape.

See picture

Sohlo
11-11-2012, 01:18 PM
HA!
Got back today from Stockholm. Had a bayonet with me that had raised my suspicions. Showed it to Mr. "Bayonets of Scandinavia", Per Holmbäck at the Stockholm gun and militaria show, and he confirmed my suspicions: The bayonet is a Swedish m/1845 cadet model.

The original lot was 200 pieces, with an additional lot of 20 pieces totalling up to 220 pieces made.

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Price paid: 339 Swedish crowns, about 50 US$. It went totally under everybody's radar on a Swedish auction site, advertised as a Swedish m/90 bayonet (no such thing)- the 90 is the serial number, so it's from the 1st batch.

A square 10
11-12-2012, 04:47 PM
some beautiful pieces in this thread , i have enjoyed looking them all over , thanks


i think of my Pat 1907 hooked quillon as the prize in my collection , but i have a very nice early M1905 in a M1905 scabbord , and one of the original import FALs as well ,

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles009-2.jpg

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesbayonets067.jpg

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rse-ori
01-15-2013, 04:36 PM
There are definitely more than 4 Mondragon Spade Bayonets. I've had one over 50 years on my 1908 rifle.

AndyB
01-16-2013, 04:01 AM
My rarest bayonet probably a PFM 1869/71 conversion.

jeeplover
01-18-2013, 06:15 PM
my 1909 unit marked german sawback . if you would like some pictures i will take some.

trajan
01-20-2013, 10:14 AM
i think of my Pat 1907 hooked quillon as the prize in my collection

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles009-2.jpg




That's a great photo - on the left! Making the point why the PBI didn't like the SMLE with a short P 1903 bayonet because of 'lack of reach' against charging cavalry, and why the longer P 1907 was brought in! But, mind you, I'm still waiting for a contemporary reference that in WWI anyone actually used a P 1907 for dismounting an enemy Uhlan or similar cavalryman...!!!

Trajan

Vic
01-20-2013, 10:49 AM
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Finnish m/42 trials bayonet to mimic the m/39 bayonet. Only about 150 made.

Vic
01-20-2013, 10:51 AM
wow sorry about the double post

sksnut
01-22-2013, 04:52 PM
Nice forum. Just surfing this site and thought I would touch on one of my past collecting interests. Had a Mondragon bayonet about 40-45 years ago. Sold it to Jim Maddox. Met up with him again at a Louisville show where I bought one of his books. Told me that he still had the bayonet. Rarest bayonet I have now is a Simonov AVS-36, nice condition, no sheath. My main collecting interest is SKS rifles, that is the reason I have this bayonet. I did have a borrowed AVS-36 rifle on display with my SKS rifles at an Ohio Gun Collectors show several years back. The owner of the rifle sold me the bayonet. He still has one with the sheath. Would like to find a sheath for my bayonet. Probably almost an impossibility. PM me if you know of a sheath. Would trade the bayonet for an original, non-refurbed 1949 dated Russian SKS and pay difference. Probably also an impossibility. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.

Milsurp
01-23-2013, 01:19 AM
Apart from the Australian Parachutist bayonet form the SMLE that I mentioned earlier, I also seem to have another rare bird (which I only discovered might be rarer than I thought), being a Chaing Kai Shek (sorry for the spelling) Mauser bayonet with leather scabbard.

I would have thought that these would have been a dime a dozen as the Chinese never seem to manufacture things in small quantities.

Can anyone shed light on why they seem so scarce?

old-smithy
01-23-2013, 05:04 AM
Heavy use and the lack of ones gettign out of the country and prices at the moment seem to be out of sorts with availability, there are a lot for sale at the moment, a friend in the UK saw dozens for a lot less, but a good bit of MEGA RARE on ebay and th prices rocketed.

Mondragon
01-23-2013, 01:08 PM
There are definitely more than 4 Mondragon Spade Bayonets. I've had one over 50 years on my 1908 rifle.

What is the serial # of your Mondragon?. Is the rifle or bayonet stamped "MEXICANA REPUBLICA"? Is either for sale or trade? Are you up for questions about your Mondragon?

Milsurp
01-23-2013, 05:34 PM
Heavy use and the lack of ones gettign out of the country and prices at the moment seem to be out of sorts with availability, there are a lot for sale at the moment, a friend in the UK saw dozens for a lot less, but a good bit of MEGA RARE on ebay and th prices rocketed.
Thanks Carl

Mondragon
01-23-2013, 09:49 PM
^^^^^^^ Now that Mondragon is one cool bayonet. That would easily take rarest and favorite in my collection. I'd like a couple more pictures please.

Here are a couple more pictures. Mine is rather beat....like someone used it in the garden as a trowel for the last 100 years. The othe two pictures are of a bayenet that fits the Mondragon but I am unable to find info on it.

flowboy143
02-12-2013, 03:33 PM
My rarest bayonet has got to be my 1941 Johnson Automactics bayonet634675634676634677

Still-a-Marine
02-12-2013, 03:45 PM
My rarest bayonet has got to be my 1941 Johnson Automactics bayonet634675634676634677

Lots of fakes out there. Good to see a real one.

Bill

John Sukey
02-12-2013, 03:55 PM
One I wish I had kept, 45-70 trowel bayonet

old-smithy
02-12-2013, 06:03 PM
there are also two versions of the marking and they are always matched to the quality of th e1895, I don't believe they are refurb marks as if they were there would not be two levels of quality, it is more like a factory with initial production and final production. Unless the two marks are to show the quality of the original blade, however I have not seen the low quality stuff with any other marking than the Ars Arm

The Blacksmith
02-23-2013, 03:51 AM
Hello Folks,

An excellent thread!

My own area of interest where bayonets are concerned is socket bayonets. I used to collect bayonets of all types and had quite a large collection back in the late 70's and early 80's, and though I have sold that collection I have always maintained my interest in bayonets. Now that I have recently started to collect again, I have decided to specialize in socket bayonets.
This bayonet is probably the rarest I have at the moment, a British 'volunteer' socket bayonet, perhaps 1775 - 1800. Graham Priest informed me that it was amongst a batch of 150 that were found in an old London warehouse and that were sold by Bannermans prior to 1927.

johnnybar
02-23-2013, 12:18 PM
My rarest since all the others are 91/30 and M44 commons. As pointed out by knowledgable GB members, an 88/98 Ersatz Turk that didn't get "Turked".
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soldatss
03-03-2013, 02:42 PM
I submit my 1891 argentine mauser bayonet

trajan
03-07-2013, 01:43 PM
Jut got my third (yes, third) example of an UNMODIFIED Greek Y 1903 knife bayonet... Photo's will follow when camera back to order... I have another one in sight but a bit rusty and with modern replacement grips...

Trajan

PS: JPS - one side of me says' "Don't rub it in - he's got everything and more, except a Y 1903!", but the other side is that I promised to keep an eye open for you.

yardbird
03-07-2013, 05:50 PM
I have two Arg. Engineer rifles...Lowe and Deutshe.both with bayonets and they sure do not look like this example...Roy

JPS
03-07-2013, 10:02 PM
Jut got my third (yes, third) example of an UNMODIFIED Greek Y 1903 knife bayonet... Photo's will follow when camera back to order... I have another one in sight but a bit rusty and with modern replacement grips...

Trajan

PS: JPS - one side of me says' "Don't rub it in - he's got everything and more, except a Y 1903!", but the other side is that I promised to keep an eye open for you.




CONGRATULATIONS MY FRIEND!

Well done and you're not rubbing it in! I'm happy for you. And on a separate note, I haven't forgotten about the "enfauser" post. I've been working on a long photo series for a friend's book and some future magazine articles. I'll look up the info in Dr. Storz book and get back to you with the info.

Excellent find Trajan!

Warmest regards,

John

JK
03-10-2013, 07:10 PM
So far the rarest I have (most expensive) is my Norwegian Jarmann bayonet.
But I am in the market for a Norwegian 1851 sword bayonet if anyone might have one for sale.

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cyten
03-12-2013, 09:31 AM
came across and unmodified 1887 Turkish Mauser bayonet with scabbard in Bulgaria. As soon as he heard my american accent, price was doubled.
that WOULD have been my rarest

trajan
03-12-2013, 10:09 AM
I sympathise. The Model 1887 is one of the only four types I need to collect my collection of Turkish basic types. I have all the others (including a Martini-Peabody socket and the short and long M-P yataghans) except that one; a true Turkish ersatz (the Carter Type EB 87 - I have the other variations); a Garand modified Model '1935'; and one or other of the FAL types... I have seen a couple of the EB 87's over here, but not in good condition, but have never seen any of the others in my admittedly limited time as a collector. Now, unmodified Greek Y 1903's, well, almost two a penny by comparison...!!!

Trajan

cyten
03-13-2013, 01:47 AM
well if you get to istanbul, plovdiv is only like 8 hours by bus and theres a lot of great stuff in the antique shops there

Stammtisch
03-13-2013, 07:16 AM
1822 French that fits 1842 Springfield brought through the blockade and surcharged S.G for State of Georgia. They have another in their collection.

trajan
03-13-2013, 09:34 PM
well if you get to istanbul, plovdiv is only like 8 hours by bus and theres a lot of great stuff in the antique shops there

Thanks for the tip!

Trajan

The Blacksmith
03-18-2013, 02:52 PM
Whilst this bayonet is not so very rare, it is not exactly the most common either. I have wanted a British 1855 patt. Lancaster bayonet for nearly 40 years, and today I finally got one!

This is exactly as it was received today. Unfortunately the point has suffered a little, but it is nothing that I cannot sort out and rectify. It also needs cleanng, having been laquered at some point, but again that is easily done.

The blade has a Solingen inspection stamp, and there is a Birmingham stamp too, so it must have been repaired at some point. But the actual makers stamp is a little unclear. It appears to be initials, the only one that is readable is a capital 'H', in a large pearled border. Curiously, it appears to have been double struck, accidentally ?, and one of them is brass inlaid.

The pommel has a V. MSC. 47 stamp and also an inspection stamp for 1895.

If anyone might have any information on the possible maker I would greatly appreciate it.

trajan
03-19-2013, 12:22 AM
There was a Volunteer Medical Staff Corps from 1885 until (?)1898 - see 'The Origin of the Volunteer Medical Staff Corps in 1885'. by Brigadier T W Glenister, J R Army Med Corps 1985, vol 131: 152-158, but I have no further details on that.

The regular Medical Staff Corps was formed 1857, of ‘Men able to read and write, of regular steady habits and good temper and of a kindly disposition’. In 1857 re-organised into the Army Hospital Corps but independent again from 1884 to 1898, when it became part of the Royal Army Medical Corps.

Trajan

PS: Forgot to say - a very nice bayonet!

PPS: IIRC from Skennerton, the screw fitting to the leaf-spring was introduced on production models sometime around 1857. A rivet was used before then, and it seems likely that many of the original ones had the rivet replaced with a screw when re-conditioned, which might explain that Birmingham mark.

amsfelder
03-19-2013, 01:28 AM
Blacksmith!
Could you make a pic of makers mark?

The Blacksmith
03-23-2013, 02:50 PM
Trajan,

Thankyou for that!

The V MSC stamp has a date stamp, 3/95, by the side of it, which ties in nicely with the dates you give. There is inaddition to the makers stamp and the Brimigham stamp, also two Solingen inspection stamps, A crowned S 1 on the pommel, and a crowned S 4 on the blade.

Amsfelder,

Here are a couple of admittedly very poorpictures of the stamp, which as I said, appears to have been misstruck, or double struck. But the brass inlay seems very curious? It is quite a large stamp too.

I will try and get some clearer pictures of the stamp.

Thankyou for the help so far gents!

howard l
04-04-2013, 04:28 PM
My rarest is a M3 Boker double tang I found at a fleamarket for 20.00. I did not realize what I had until I got home. It was also in the original real M8 scabbard. I found it about 8 months ago.

Trenchwarfare
04-05-2013, 08:47 AM
This would have to be my rarest. I named it "Tigger", cuz it's the only one!

trajan
04-05-2013, 09:38 AM
This would have to be my rarest.

Looks fun, but what are those pommel markings?

Trajan

Trenchwarfare
04-05-2013, 01:10 PM
AsFa. It's a Turkish hilt.

amsfelder
04-06-2013, 01:39 AM
This would have to be my rarest. I named it "Tigger", cuz it's the only one!

Trench!
Are you sure Bubba only made one?
//Bo

trajan
04-06-2013, 03:34 AM
AsFa. It's a Turkish hilt.

Must have been a Turkish capture at Gallipoli /Canakkale, then, modified in the 1920's or 1930's to fit something or the other...;)

Trajan

PS: In case you didn't know, almost every bayonet advertised for sale over here is from the Canakkale battle - most recent sighting being a 1917-dated P.1907...

howard l
04-30-2013, 07:30 PM
This is the Boker trench knife I wrote about a while back, the one I got a fleamarket for 20.00.660089660090660091

eastbank
05-01-2013, 03:12 AM
this original 1915/18 crank handle, picked up at a auction along with a french e-pee bayonet,both may have been brought back by the same w-1 vet as it was his estate auction. i don,t know what its worth,buts it different. eastbank.

finloq
05-02-2013, 06:44 PM
You tell me, I honestly don't know:
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Holy guacamole Dave! That is a lot of razor nicks.

berserker_boy
05-16-2013, 05:42 AM
I have an Australian mk2 machete bayonet with scabbard! Skinner ton says there are no such things as scabbards for mk2s but I have one!

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old-smithy
05-16-2013, 06:58 PM
First MkII i have seen, i have a set of MkII grips but they were fitted to a 1907. what differences are there in the MkI and MkII

berserker_boy
05-17-2013, 04:23 AM
First MkII i have seen, i have a set of MkII grips but they were fitted to a 1907. what differences are there in the MkI and MkII

As far as in know reme converted some mk 1s to mk 2 just by changing the grips. I've been told the reason they went with the Bakelite was because of increased grip as well as a perception that Bakelite lasted better in jungle conditions than wood

old-smithy
05-17-2013, 05:31 AM
I meant the scabbards?

berserker_boy
05-17-2013, 06:24 AM
I meant the scabbards?
The strap is a little longer than the mk 1 to accommodate the bigger handle

p0gi
04-24-2014, 08:11 AM
The rarest (most uncommon) I own are:

- Italian vetterli ersatz for m91 rifle (top)
- Swiss 1889/92 cyclist bayonet (middle)
- Rare example of an Austrian M95 ersatz (bottom photo)

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