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MilitaryTorch
02-28-2011, 11:27 PM
Hi there,
2 weeks ago I was at a local gun show and traded a bayonet for a Yugo M24B bayonet which I didn't really know anything about. It is a German butcher blade that was reworked by Yugoslavia. When I was making the trade the dealer told me that sometimes you might find a Model 24 rifle that it would fit.

Well, Last Saturday, the first rifle that I picked up was an all matching model 24 and I ended up getting it. There are no import marks, the finish looks original to me.
It looks pretty much like a VZ24. (I can take better pictures but that would have to wait until Saturday)
The bayonet fits the rifle perfectly but I am not sure what the designation of the letter B is as in M24B.

My problem is that I know pretty much nothing about it.

Year made?
Numbers made?
Markings on the stock
Value.

If someone can please comment on the rifle I would really appreciate it.

Thank you for looking.

MilitaryTorch
02-28-2011, 11:51 PM
Few more pictures.

geladen
03-01-2011, 01:11 AM
Your rifle is a M1924 Carbine (as opposed to rifle), Type 2 with straight bolt handle "for infantry and technical troops, bicyclist's platoon, etc". I'm not sure what that means since infantry would have the rifle, not the carbine. Quote is from Serbian and Yugoslav Mauser Rifles. Your stock cartouche is for King Peter II. It was made in 1937 (by serial number).

I looked it up because I was courious about the side swivels. M24/47 rifles are common as dirt, M24 rifles show up from time to time, but I rarely see an M24 carbine. You're fortunate to have found it.

painterjohn
03-01-2011, 01:12 AM
SCORE ! SCORE!!!!!

Wow you made out good..both of these are very tough to find..Your M24 is actually an M24 Cavalry Carbine very rare to find especially matching

The bayonet is for a Yugoslavian refurb rifle M1924b...originaly a Mexican M1912 in 7mm...These were never sent from Steyr and the contract bought by Austria-Hungary at the outset of WWI...These were reworked by Yugoslavia with new 8mm barrells and stocksets..the blades are quite varied as they used many types of blades and handles from numbers of captured/war rep bayonets

Both items rare and very desirable..

The placement of the Buttstock serial number is interesting as it is most often found stamped in the wood directly under the serial on receiver

FYI..I was bidding on a mint M24b bayonet just yesterday but was left in the dust around $165


EDIT:...Wanted to add your II over small II is for King Petar 1934-45

John Wall
03-01-2011, 06:52 AM
Hi Steve,
Excellent find! Congratulations! Is it import marked?
Regards,
John

TMann
03-01-2011, 07:08 AM
Niiiiccceee find. Gotta luve them 24s.

Destroyer
03-01-2011, 07:41 AM
Really nice M24 and bayonet! Thanks for sharing.
D.

MilitaryTorch
03-01-2011, 09:31 AM
Hi Steve,
Excellent find! Congratulations! Is it import marked?
Regards,
John

No I can't see any import marks on it.

geladen
03-01-2011, 11:59 AM
SCORE ! SCORE!!!!!

Wow you made out good..both of these are very tough to find..Your M24 is actually an M24 Cavalry Carbine very rare to find especially matching



I think the cavalry carbine is a Type 1 with bent bolt handle. The subject carbine appears to be a Type 2 with straight bolt handle for specialist troops.

painterjohn
03-01-2011, 01:57 PM
I think the cavalry carbine is a Type 1 with bent bolt handle. The subject carbine appears to be a Type 2 with straight bolt handle for specialist troops.

Arrrgh Dangit I got all excited over the swivels and had a brain fart!..Geladen is 100% correct Type 2 Infantry carbine

I think it was sensory overload : )

MilitaryTorch
03-01-2011, 04:05 PM
Thank you very much for your replies.
As soon as I learned that it is a Model 24 carbine I was able to find more information about it.

This is probably a dumb question but I am always looking for an original early WW2 K98 all matching rifle. If there was someone out there that wanted this rifle what would be a reasonable value for my rifle in a trade situation?

Thanks again,
Steve

TP
03-02-2011, 07:48 AM
Steve, I have no idea what your excellent Yugo Type 2 Infantry Carbine is worth in trade for a 98k, but keep in mind that what you have is far harder to find than almost any 98k, you will not run across one like it again soon, maybe never. That being said, if you decide to dispose of it, please make any more offers to sell or trade on the Gunboards Trader Forum rather than here. For a refresher course on the "Rules", see:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1849-The-Rules

MilitaryTorch
03-02-2011, 09:46 AM
Yes, for sure. I wasn't trying to get offers on the trade. Now a huge part of me wants to keep it and I am pretty sure I will.

The funny thing is that when I asked a seller if he collects rifles, he said yeah but only rare ones :)

geladen
03-02-2011, 10:48 AM
If I had your carbine I would definitely keep it. You can always get a K98k.

I put the purchase price in my log book (not "bound book" since I let my 01 FFL expire). That way after I'm gone my wife or daughter can list guns on Gunbroker with my purchase price as a minimum bid. Since I almost always buy guns for less than what they are worth, plus inflation, that should make for an attractive minimum bid and also not be too great a loss if a gun sells for only the minimum bid.

The current value of a gun is a matter of opinion and fluctuating economy. The purchase price is a known fixed amount. The "current value" is established as a known amount when the gun sells on Gunbroker (provided a good description and photos are used in the auction).

When I buy a gun it has to be:
1. something I don't have
2. something I want
3. a good deal

The search is a good part of the fun of collecting.

TP
03-02-2011, 10:53 AM
Understood you really didn't do anything wrong and I am sorry if I made that impression but sometimes things wander off in that direction without intention and the Rules (as set by Tuco and Vic) do have to be followed. I really like the bayonet in particular.

The little carbine and the bayonet are two very nice acquisitions and I would hold onto both but if you don't follow the Yugoslavian guns and the 98k (or whatever) is more interesting, you should do well.

I often worry about what will happen to my collection if something happens to me. My wife has no interest and no clue and there are a lot of vultures out there. :(

MilitaryTorch
03-02-2011, 12:33 PM
TP I am with you! I have a wife who doesn't care and 2 little daughters that most likely won't care when they grow up. When I am gone I would like to think that what I am doing now is investing money for them but if they don't know what it is worth it is not going to be good as they could be selling these things as OLD rifles and $200 is good enough kind of a deal.

TP
03-02-2011, 02:57 PM
I don't think that $800 sounds like an off base price but someone more familiar with the Yugoslavian rifle market will be able to say better than I.

nothernug
03-04-2011, 03:20 AM
You can value that carbine from $300-$500 The M24B bayo- $65-$100 on average. I've got one of those too- (in the middle)
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There are at least 4 different bayos that were converted to make M24b's. Of those the converted butcher blades are the rarest.

Concerning the rarity of those Type II carbines, there's no known record of how many were manufactured and how many of those survived the war and then the post war refurbishment process. I am sure it weren't many!

By the way. The M1924b can also be a converted gew98.

MilitaryTorch
03-04-2011, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE
You can value that carbine from $300-$500 The M24B bayo- $65-$100 on average. I've got one of those too- (in the middle)
There are at least 4 different bayos that were converted to make M24b's. Of those the converted butcher blades are the rarest.

Concerning the rarity of those Type II carbines, there's no known record of how many were manufactured and how many of those survived the war and then the post war refurbishment process. I am sure it weren't many!
[/QUOTE]

Yeap that is the same one that I have, out of curiousity is yours all matching?

PS I remember seeing M24/47 at a big 5 couple of years ago for about $299.

nothernug
03-08-2011, 12:17 AM
Yeap that is the same one that I have, out of curiousity is yours all matching?
My carbine has a mismatched bolt. Not that it matters but the number is only about 500 off.

MilitaryTorch
03-28-2011, 04:03 PM
I found another type2 model 24 rifle.
This one doesn't have a matching bolt but I believe the bolt is from Yugo Model 24. I think the base plate doesn't match.
It doesn't have an import mark and it looks like it has the original finish but I can't find a mark on the stock.

I didn't have a chance to take a closer look at it.

I was wondering if someone can tell me when it was made.

The serial number is 29946

geladen
03-28-2011, 04:27 PM
1935 according to Branko's book.

MilitaryTorch
03-28-2011, 04:29 PM
Thank you very much.
I was hoping (geladen) you would answer that question :)

Thanks again,
Steve

MilitaryTorch
03-29-2011, 05:09 PM
My carbine has a mismatched bolt. Not that it matters but the number is only about 500 off.

I wasn't implying anything, I was just curious to know that is all :)