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gearhead222
10-04-2007, 08:39 PM
I understand that these rifles could mount a variety of bayonets.I also understand that the originals are very pricey.Does anyone know any source for the sawback or butcher blade repro bayonets or any other repro bayonets for the Gewehr 98?Thanx for any info:)-Gearhead
The Great Billdildoe
10-04-2007, 09:31 PM
Really the bayonets are not that pricey. Sure if like new and sawback the sellers tend to want an arm and a leg. But let's get real here as 98/05's & 84/98's sawbacks are at every gun show I have been at and ebay is usually loaded with them.
Anyhow you can find a myriad of decent variant imperial german bayonets for under $100 still. The repo ersatz and the repo 98/05 sawbacks I have seen were really garbage.
Red Nine
10-05-2007, 10:01 PM
I agree with Bill. You can pick up a decent butcher blade on eBay at a reasonable price. The sawbacks tend to run more expensive. I picked up on eBay a decent 1901 FW Holler Solingen Butcher blade for under $60.
gearhead222
10-05-2007, 10:57 PM
and here's what I see (all are Butcher blade):
$36.00- 1 day 21h
$49.00- 3 day 21 hr
$71.00- 1 day 19H
$79,99- 2 day 22h
$131.50-3 day 20 h
The Brazilian 08 look alot cheaper-Will these still fit a Gew. 98 even though they have the barrel ring on the hilt?Thanx-Gearhead
The Great Billdildoe
10-05-2007, 11:54 PM
No , the braz '08 poker will not fit a german rifle....small "shank" lug for starters.
And to Red : there is no such thing as a 1901 dated 98/05 butcher as they did not come out until 1905.
So you must be talking about a S98 "quillback"...right ?.
SimsonSuhl
10-06-2007, 12:14 AM
Pretty sure Holler didn't do the Sg98? Probably a date error, seen 1915-1917 fairly regular, Carter said 1918 exist (not seen one yet..); I doubt a pre-war exists from Holler, they (pre-wars) are fairly scarce except for Erfurt jobs which are tough price wise as many are sawbacks or sport keen unit markings..
No , the braz '08 poker will not fit a german rifle....small "shank" lug for starters.
And to Red : there is no such thing as a 1901 dated 98/05 butcher as they did not come out until 1905.
So you must be talking about a S98 "quillback"...right ?.
David Murvihill
10-06-2007, 01:02 PM
All the repro bayonets I've seen were in the $75 range, and you're not going much higher than that for a real one. I'd check ebayonet.com & see what his prices are. Ebay prices tend to push the envelope, as your market is in the millions... If you have any gun or militaria shows nearby I'd check them before I bought as well. You could ask on the bayonet forum what the most common makers & years are, to get a better idea of what reasonable prices are. I bought a 98/05 3 yrs ago at a show for $90(and a s98 in the mid eighties for $15). Watch out, bayonet collecting can be as addictive as rifle collecting (I'm two German 1871 bayonets short of having all my rifles properly attired, with only a dozen extra bayonets!).
Bayonetcollector
10-06-2007, 04:20 PM
If you're simply after something to fit on the end of your rifle the turked (shortened) 98/05 butcher blades are not very pricey. Also some of the more common ersatz bayonets can be had at reasonable prices, if full lenght they will be correct for your WWI rifle too.
gearhead222
10-06-2007, 08:18 PM
Appreciate the quick feedback!EBay prices are pretty crazy for the Imperial Germany ones.I also don't want a repro,as I understand that they are made out of stamped sheetmetal and pretty flimsy.Think that I will check the local gun shows with Gew. 98 in hand-John
Vaarok
10-07-2007, 09:07 AM
Look for the distinctive guard and look for a crown-letter-date on the back of the blade right by the guard. If the letter is a B, those tend to be worth more.
Sharpened is obviously worth less, though if it's got pitting over the sharpening (from firing corrosive ammo with the bayo fixed) it's not so bad. A number/letter combo on the guard is desireable, as that's regimental markings.
All of mine except one I've bought for under sixty bucks here and there from junk bins and the corner of vendors tables.
And those really cheap/common Vz-24 bayonets should fit a Gew98 if you don't care too much about correctness and just want something pointy.
Red Nine
10-08-2007, 07:53 PM
and here's what I see (all are Butcher blade):
$36.00- 1 day 21h
$49.00- 3 day 21 hr
$71.00- 1 day 19H
$79,99- 2 day 22h
$131.50-3 day 20 h
The Brazilian 08 look alot cheaper-Will these still fit a Gew. 98 even though they have the barrel ring on the hilt?Thanx-Gearhead
Yes, it gets crazy but sometimes it pays off to sit and watch, specially if several blades are selling at the same time.
gearhead222
10-10-2007, 05:53 AM
A 1915 Butcher Blade with scabbard (sharpened) via EBay.IMA's repro sells for $100.00 plus shipping and my local C&R dealers sells his repro's for $130.00!I saw a Butcher Blade WITHOUT the scabbard and WITH rust sell for $103.00 recently!Crazy!Anyway,I'm glad that I got the correct bayonet for my rifle.Am thinking of having the file sharpened edge properly sharpened at a knife shop,as I cannot replace the removed metal-Gearhead-PS-Mine does not have the fire guard over the hilt,but I don't plan on firing the gun with the bayonet fixed.
Bayonetcollector
10-10-2007, 02:37 PM
As your rifle is a Gewehr 98 the abscence of the flashguard is no problem at all. When these bayonets were only used with the Gew 98 there was no need for a flashguard as the muzzle protrudes beyond the crossguard. So, they were made without flashguards as your bayonet was (is it a high ear one?). When more and more Kar 98 were used the problems started. The barrel of the Karabiner ends over the grips and the grips were damaged by the muzzle blast, and that is why they started making the bayonets with flashguards. 1915 was the last year when these were made without flashguards.
So, fire away, even with fixed bayonet.
Bayonetcollector
10-10-2007, 03:25 PM
Here you see the reason the flasguard was needed. The upper one is a Gew 98, no flasguard needed. The bottom one is a Kar 98, you can see why the muzzle flame would cause problems. :eek:
...................Am thinking of having the file sharpened edge properly sharpened at a knife shop...................
Yo Gearhead222,
If you want to protect the collector value of ANY bayonet, DO NOT have it sharpened nor should you sharpen it yourself. All you will do is reduce the value for future sale.
If you want to cut onions, use a kitchen knife! Just speaking from experience here.
Warmest regards,
JPS
Todd A
10-10-2007, 05:46 PM
A 1915 Butcher Blade with scabbard (sharpened) via EBay..
To second JPS.. DO NOT get it re-sharpend. You will find lots of WWI era bayonets WITH PERIOD sharpening. The "sharpened bayonet = Bad" does not always apply.
I'll third the recommendation by JPS and Todd A, while it may not be pretty, the sharpening seen on some bayonets may not be pretty but having it "properly" sharpened will only require more metal removal and it will not help the value. Some bayonets were touched up by soldiers not qualified to do the work.
Vaarok
10-11-2007, 01:35 PM
Just to point out, I found a sharpened bayonet that had pitting on the sharpened surface from corrosive ammo being fired with the bayo fixed. Remember period sharpening is not a bad thing, because it's explained by provenance. Somebody with a whetstone in the garage IS bad.
..... Somebody with a whetstone in the garage IS bad.
Or worse yet, a hand-powered grinder!
Bayonetcollector
10-11-2007, 03:40 PM
HAND powered!!!!????!!!! :confused:
Jeeez! Some people are just soooo 20th century... Join the 21st century, TP. :D
Promise I'll do better. Where can I get one a' them 'ere brand new whatchamacallits? :eek: I LIKE it.... :)
milspec2
10-11-2007, 04:48 PM
I didn't see any of these yet so I thought I would post some pics. I purchased it in England a couple of years ago for around 60$. I really don't know to much about it other than they are not very common.
Yo Gents,
Period sharpening bothers some dyed-in-the-wool bayonet collectors, but I am not among them. If it was sharpened during the war, to me it adds a bit of character even if sharpened poorly.
A bayonet that has been RECENTLY SHARPENED, as in the past 20 years and I won't touch it.
Just my $ .02 worth on the subject of period versus newly sharpened bayos.
Warmest regards,
JPS
gearhead222
10-12-2007, 10:30 PM
especially about the Kar98 and Gew 98 fit and the reason for flash guards!I had no idea!I am guessing that my bayonet was not period sharpened,as there is NO rust or pitting over the edge and it looks pretty fresh-that's why I was going to have the filing marks smoothed down at a knife shop and have them remove some of the rust if possible.Fascinating post-it's amazing what the Germans fitted to these rifles,especially adapting the surplus US Civil War bayonets!-Gearhead
gearhead222
10-12-2007, 10:31 PM
But does anyone know who made the Gew 98 spring loaded muzzle protectors?I have several and some are steel while some are brass and steel.Thanx for any info:)-Gearhead
especially about the Kar98 and Gew 98 fit and the reason for flash guards!I had no idea!I am guessing that my bayonet was not period sharpened,as there is NO rust or pitting over the edge and it looks pretty fresh-that's why I was going to have the filing marks smoothed down at a knife shop and have them remove some of the rust if possible.Fascinating post-it's amazing what the Germans fitted to these rifles,especially adapting the surplus US Civil War bayonets!-Gearhead
Yo Gearhead222,
Use 0000 steel wool and pentrating oil or something similar. A modern knife shop will attack it with a buffing wheel and you will regret it in the long run no matter how clean and "new" it looks!
The less the better!
Warmest regards,
JPS
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