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10-10-2007, 07:30 PM
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Cal 7,35 1939 XVII.

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Posted - 04/02/2006 : 7:52:52 PM Show Profile Email Poster Send tombiasi a Private Message
I have a rifle with barrel markings:
Cal 7,35
1939 XVII.

K80XX (serial? last digits censored.)
There are some other markings.
Short rifle, bolt action, strip clip, if its a 7mm looks like five rounds.

My guess is Italian by Terni.
Can anyone point me to some more info on this rifle?
Was this rifle ever in service in Korea?

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Posted - 04/02/2006 : 8:21:51 PM Show Profile Email Poster Visit Claven2's Homepage
Was this rifle ever in service in Korea?

Doubtful. If it's 7.35 Cal, I'd bet it was from Finnish service. Look for an SA in a square on the barrel near the chamber.

Probably made at Terni arsenal as you suspect.
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Posted - 04/02/2006 : 8:26:01 PM Show Profile Email Poster
There is an FA in a square just above the SN. ( Assuming that K80xx number is a serial)
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Posted - 04/02/2006 : 8:49:53 PM Show Profile Email Poster
You have a M38 Fucile Corto (short rifle). These were made 1938 to early 1940. The 7.35 is actually a 30 cal (.300" bullet dia.). The XVII is the Facist date which began in 1922 (1922 + 17 = 1939). Italy was in the process of changing to this cal when WWII broke out for them and they stopped production and went back to the 6.5 cal to avoid supply problems between the two calibers. For more info on this and other Carcano models go to http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 05:42:55 AM Show Profile Email Poster
Thanks a bunch.
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 10:35:48 PM Show Profile Email Poster Visit DocAV's Homepage
CORRECTION, the 7,35 IS NOT a ".30 cal"> The Bore diameter of a 7,35mm Carcano is .290, with a GROOVE diameter of .298-300.

The use of Military "calibre" requires that the Bore diameter is identified, (the Groove and/or Bullet diameter is usually from .008 to .012 Bigger than the "Calibre").

Whilst the reloader Bullet diameter for 7,35 Carcano is .300 (Hornady etc) this does NOT make it a ".30 calibre" . A proper US .30 calibre is .300 BORE using .308-309 diameter Bullets (ie, .30/06, .308 Win, .300 H&H Mag, etc.(Rifling groove diameter .308 )

The use of ".30 cal" projectiles in a Carcano chambered for 7,35 is asking for a destructive blow up.

The 7,35 M38 series of rifles had a short life, being assembled from late 1938 to early 1940, then production reverted to 6,5mm (M91/38 etc), because of Logistic concerns in Wartime (Italy entered WW II in June 1940)
The majority of the approx. 100,000 M38s of three types made were shipped to Finland, as aid against the Russians...hence the "SA Boxed" mark on most 7,35 M38 rifles one sees now adays. Some did remain in Italy, and show up from time to time (NO "SA" mark) Most of the ammo made in this calibre (again, mid 1938 to early 1940) was also sent to Finland, and after the war, Finland used some of it up to make 7,62x39 Long Blanks, as well as selling a lot to Interarms in the 1960s as Surplus.(along with all the SA marked Rifles still in Finland)

The Finns only used them for rear line use and training, Not combat against the Russians.
Some 7,35 rifles were acquired by the Bay of Pigs invaders in Florida, and supposedly used in that ill-fated adventure.

Otherwise there is NO recorded Combat use of the 7,35 calibre except for some remaining rifles in Italy during the Civil War period (1943-45),used by the Northern Republican (RSI) troops of Mussolini with the Germans against the Allies. Due to ammunition problems, their use was very limited, but as they say, when you are up against the wall, ANY gun will do.

As to using it nowadays, it is still considered a good Deer calibre in some states, especially with correctly handloaded cartridges ( 130 grain Pointed Soft Point) and reloadable cases from Hornady, Graf or Buffalo Arms. Cases are easy to make from 6,5 Carcano , by simply expanding the neck, or sizing and trimming 6,5 Mannlicher Schoenauer. Sufficent new commercial brass in 6,5 carcano is now available to make reloading 7,35 a reasonable proposition.
Lyman makes a 130 grain, .300 diameter cast lead Mould, and Hornady did supply a .300 diameter 130 grain Soft Point.
The sights, of course, are fixed at 300 metres ("Battle Sight") but with practice and "Kentucky sighting" you could use custom handloads to be spot on at 100, and 200 metres (or yards).

Original Military ammo is still around (at about $1,00 per cartridge, and is getting scarce and collectable, esp. in 18 round 3-clip packets;) most will be found Loose, as people have bought the packets for the clips to use on 6,5 calibre Carcanos).
Besides being over 65 years old, the primers are Berdan (unobtainable size) and Corrosive.

BTW, 6 round clip.

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