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  1. #1
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    Post Yugo M57 Tokarev Survey

    With all the Yugos coming in, I'm starting a survey to estimate production numbers. Please note the following information:


    Serial Number (including prefix) - (xx for last digits OK)
    # of torches (5 or 6) in the crest (E- and F- prefixes only)


    Right now, the date sequence is one of the following:

    1957 __ __ (5 torch crests only)
    1958 A- __
    1959 B- A-
    1960 C- B-
    1961 D- C-
    1962 E- D-
    1963 F- E- (5 or 6 torch crests)
    1964 G- F- (6 torch crests only)
    1965...

    I welcome all contributions, corrections, etc.

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    F-6330x (6 torch crest)
    N-24896x

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    H-10968X 6 torch

    Where is production date? In the serial Number range??
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    Here you go:

    5 Crest; C - 2xxxx
    5 Crest; E - 5xxxx
    Last edited by JBD; 04-02-2009 at 09:24 PM.

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    a c w/5 flames.
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    H-103xxx (6 torches, matching numbers on the frame and slide, barrel # 43xxx)
    H-108xxx (6 torches, all matching numbers)

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    2139-A , 5 torch

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    D-436XX 5 torch crest.

    No prefix serial 032, 6 torch crest

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    E-46290
    5 torch
    all matching

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    N1530xx, all matching.
    6 torches and no safety.

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    E-501XX
    5 torch

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    51XX
    5 torch crest

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    D-429xx
    5 torch crest

    H-954xx
    6 torch crest
    Last edited by creeks; 04-03-2009 at 08:37 PM.

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    G-866xx 6 torch

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    C-201XX 5 torch

    F-593XX 6 torch

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    H101648 6 torch

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    three to report:
    D-42552 (five torch crest)
    M-141565 (six torch crest)
    I-118541 (six torch crest)
    All above are matching numbers
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    376X has 5 torches!:D Mint!

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    sn 5250, all matching (5250-A on slide only), 5 torches
    came with old style M57 holster
    Last edited by Gun_Shy; 04-28-2009 at 11:10 PM.

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    All matching 6 torch H-954xx

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    E451XX, 5 Torch great condition

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    # 11247 with a -b on the slide only. In excellent condition.

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    OK...so here IS what I found by examining a 7 gun sampling out of all the guns that are still in-stock in my shop. The sampling includes one pistol from each of the of these letter groups: A, B, C, D, E, H, I, N.

    First, below is a listing of all serial numbers that have come in. These are then broken down into groups by letter suffix or prefix and by torches found within each grouping. Under magnification, I used the number of "dots" as the easiest measure of how many torches there were because each dot appears to represent the "head of the vessel" the flame is emanating from. I found this to be very consistant throughout the sampling so I believe it to be an accurate measure. I also found the lettering around the star on the grip changed from FNRJ to SFRJ when the serial number scheme changed from suffix to prefix. This too is consistant in the sampling. There is no indication of when any single pistol was produced. So, that said, here we go...

    The following all have 5-torch crests and FNRJ on the grips

    0402-A
    0516-A
    0639-A


    06510-B
    14978-B
    15983-B
    16795-B
    18241-B


    The remaining numbers below all have 6-torch crests and SFRJ on the grips

    C-20161
    C-25986
    C-28759
    C-29472


    D-32005
    D-35729
    D-37723
    D-42329
    D-42580
    D-42725
    D-43005


    E-46331
    E-46592
    E-50038
    E-53609
    E-57878


    F-62648
    F-62822
    F-63352


    G-74050
    G-74738
    G-77312
    G-84413


    H-093360
    H-095435
    H-095474
    H-095490
    H-101839


    I-110443
    I-112405
    I-114592
    I-118045
    I-119012


    J-129684


    M-141391
    M-141397


    N-252933

    Hope this helps...as I get more in, I will list those also with notations using the same criteria listed above. Unless someone feels there is an error in my method of identifying characteristics and lets me know.

    --Mike
    Last edited by Blackthorn762; 06-02-2009 at 09:08 PM.
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    FNRJ = Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia = 1946-1963
    SFRJ = Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia = 1963-1992 (Socijalistička Federativna Republika Jugoslavija)

    Grips are easy to replace or update or course, but when submitting serial numbers several of us have noted SFRJ grips on early M-57s with unprefixed serial numbers.

    Bill


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackthorn762 View Post
    OK...so here IS what I found by examining a 7 gun sampling out of all the guns that are still in-stock in my shop. The sampling includes one pistol from each of the of these letter groups: A, B, C, D, E, H, I, N.... I also found the lettering around the star on the grip changed from FNRJ to SFRJ when the serial number scheme changed from suffix to prefix. This too is consistant in the sampling....

    --Mike

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    Default same sn number

    on the barrel its 95435 on the frame its H 95435

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    Default Updated serial number list

    Below is an updated list of the one I posted previously. I added all of the serial numbers and pre/suffixes that have passed through my shop since posting the previous list.

    In addition, contrary to what I found before regarding the grips, the more pistols I get the more of a "mixed batch" of grips I find. If the theory that the serial numbers are continuous and that only the addition of a letter pre/suffix denotes a change in the year produced (1957 would have a serial number with no letter) AND adding Gun Shy's information regarding when the change in national identity occurred (according to Branko Bogdanovic, it was on April 7, 1963), then somewhere around F-65000 is when the grips would have changed from FNRJ to SFRJ.

    Naturally, since the grips had to be removed to add the safety - and regardless of how "factory" it looks as compared to what we have found on other Tokarevs, I'm fairly certain that the Yugo safety is an add-on as well. This being the case, you can bet that the grips were removed, thrown into bins as they came off, the safety added and the grips replaced with whatever set was grabbed during the reassembly process. This seems to be less the case with the A & B suffix pistols, but becomes more and more prevalent as the serial numbers go up.

    0377-A
    0402-A
    0516-A
    0639-A
    2013-A
    3347-A
    3470-A
    5273-A

    06510-B
    14978-B
    15983-B
    16795-B
    18241-B


    C-19949
    C-20161
    C-25986
    C-26220
    C-26365
    C-26546
    C-27889
    C-28664
    C-28759
    C-29472

    D-32005
    D-35729
    D-37723
    D-42329
    D-42401
    D-42580
    D-42725
    D-42800
    D-42906
    D-43005
    D-43037
    D-46726

    E-46331
    E-46384
    E-46592
    E-46727
    E-50038
    E-53609
    E-57878

    F-62648
    F-62822
    F-63352
    F-67730

    G-74050
    G-74738
    G-77312
    G-77592

    G-84413

    H-093360
    H-095435
    H-095474
    H-095490
    H-101363
    H-101365
    H-101839

    I-110443
    I-112405
    I-114592
    I-118045
    I-118214
    I-119012

    J-129684

    M-141391
    M-141397
    M-143631
    M-143634

    N-252780
    N-252933

    P-266650

    Last edited by Blackthorn762; 10-03-2009 at 11:33 AM. Reason: Add information
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    Good information. My like new, all matching #D42672.Appears to have 5 flame logo.A lot of pistol for the money.




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    Thought I'd add few more...all have the 6-Torch crest.

    G-077227
    G-088446

    I-112181
    I-122358

    N-248932

    Also, here are examples of the crests from 3 very late serial numbered pistols ("N" & "P" Series). The first two are N-Series, the third is P-Series. It is, at least for me, very difficult to see six distinct flames. However, it IS possible to clearly see six torches. The trick is to look at the stamps as indents rather than raised "relief" type stamps. For perspective, I have included two graphic representations of how they look in print. These are also shown, though only B&W, in Branko Bogdanovic's book on Serbian and Yugoslavian Mausers in the section where he lists the various crest stamps found on the Mausers and the period in history they relate to.
    Last edited by Blackthorn762; 09-24-2009 at 11:10 PM.
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    Default M57 serial #

    I just obtained an M57 with 5 torch, serial # E468XX.

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    Serial #E-460xx

    5 torch crest

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    Default Here's my spouse's

    My better half just got a Yugoslav Zastava M-57 pistol

    The pistol is like new unissued, but it came with a really dogged-out leather holster and spare magazine with the cleaning rod. There is Latin alphabet written inside the top flap, so Croatian, Slovenian, or some similar person must have used the holster.

    The pistol itself has the SFRJ hand-grip: Socijalistička Federativna Republika Jugoslavij and has the serial H-10826X.

    The number is repeated on the frame and the barrel, the pistol appears to have the six torch crest for Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, and Macedonia. It has what appears to be a factory installed safety. Hope to find out more about these pistols.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackthorn762 View Post
    Below is an updated list of the one I posted previously. I added all of the serial numbers and pre/suffixes that have passed through my shop since posting the previous list.

    In addition, contrary to what I found before regarding the grips, the more pistols I get the more of a "mixed batch" of grips I find. If the theory that the serial numbers are continuous and that only the addition of a letter pre/suffix denotes a change in the year produced (1957 would have a serial number with no letter) AND adding Gun Shy's information regarding when the change in national identity occurred (according to Branko Bogdanovic, it was on April 7, 1963), then somewhere around F-65000 is when the grips would have changed from FNRJ to SFRJ.

    Naturally, since the grips had to be removed to add the safety - and regardless of how "factory" it looks as compared to what we have found on other Tokarevs, I'm fairly certain that the Yugo safety is an add-on as well. This being the case, you can bet that the grips were removed, thrown into bins as they came off, the safety added and the grips replaced with whatever set was grabbed during the reassembly process. This seems to be less the case with the A & B suffix pistols, but becomes more and more prevalent as the serial numbers go up.

    0377-A
    0402-A
    0516-A
    0639-A
    2013-A
    3347-A
    3470-A
    5273-A

    06510-B
    14978-B
    15983-B
    16795-B
    18241-B


    C-19949
    C-20161
    C-25986
    C-26220
    C-26365
    C-26546
    C-27889
    C-28664
    C-28759
    C-29472

    D-32005
    D-35729
    D-37723
    D-42329
    D-42401
    D-42580
    D-42725
    D-42800
    D-42906
    D-43005
    D-43037
    D-46726

    E-46331
    E-46384
    E-46592
    E-46727
    E-50038
    E-53609
    E-57878

    F-62648
    F-62822
    F-63352
    F-67730

    G-74050
    G-74738
    G-77312
    G-77592
    G-84413

    H-093360
    H-095435
    H-095474
    H-095490
    H-101363
    H-101365
    H-101839

    I-110443
    I-112405
    I-114592
    I-118045
    I-118214
    I-119012

    J-129684

    M-141391
    M-141397
    M-143631
    M-143634

    N-252780
    N-252933

    P-266650


    Hello to all friends as a fresh member, I have H-1068xx

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    Hi all!

    I am trying to identify the date of my just aquired Yugo Md57 (Tokarev) using the info in this thread. But I need some help:

    The serial number on the frame and barrel has NO prefix at all, however the slide has a prefix that looks like this "|-" (or better, here's a picture) :



    Please note that there is one more digit at the end of the serial number (as in 12234X)<== the x is the last digit, but I delete that for internet privacy - I also took the picture cutting off the last digit.

    Also, here is a picture of the Yugo crest that I have - I cannot relate it to the info here to determine if it is a 5 torch or a 6 torch crest. It is similar, but it doesn't look exactly like any I have seen above in this thread:



    So would those of you who have become experts on dating these guns please tell me about mine, using the info that I have given here.

    BTW, Here is my thread in this forum describing my purchase of this gun this past weekend:

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...-cosmoline-but

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonJon View Post
    Hi all!

    I am trying to identify the date of my just aquired Yugo Md57 (Tokarev) using the info in this thread. But I need some help:

    The serial number on the frame and barrel has NO prefix at all, however the slide has a prefix that looks like this "|-" (or better, here's a picture) :



    Please note that there is one more digit at the end of the serial number (as in 12234X)<== the x is the last digit, but I delete that for internet privacy - I also took the picture cutting off the last digit.

    Also, here is a picture of the Yugo crest that I have - I cannot relate it to the info here to determine if it is a 5 torch or a 6 torch crest. It is similar, but it doesn't look exactly like any I have seen above in this thread:



    So would those of you who have become experts on dating these guns please tell me about mine, using the info that I have given here.

    BTW, Here is my thread in this forum describing my purchase of this gun this past weekend:

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...-cosmoline-but

    Thanks!

    RonJon
    Can't anyone here provide an answer??

    RonJon

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    Mine has the "G" prefix on the slide, but not on the frame. I guess mine is a '64 and yours a '65.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torpeau View Post
    Mine has the "G" prefix on the slide, but not on the frame. I guess mine is a '64 and yours a '65.
    Thank you torpeau.

    RonJon

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    Reporting my Yugo M57, serial #F-616xx. 6 torch crest. SFRJ grips.
    All matching numbers, no import markings or added safety.




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    Does anyone else have a Yugo crest that looks just like mine?



    RonJon

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    Mine is E46281,frsj grips and 5 flames. I like it. I guess its a 62, as when I was born too.!!

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    Reporting new Yugo M57:

    All matching., frame, slide and bbl.
    SN: D-34148
    5 torch crest
    sfrj grips (no doubt not original to the pistol, not matching from left to right side)




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    I have a non-import, no safety added supposed Vietnam bringback.
    Serial number is E-537XX
    5 torch crest
    SFRJ grips
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    I have a non-import, no safety added supposed Vietnam bringback.
    Kind of odd for a Yugo to make it to Vietnam, but anything is possible.
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    Talking Two more numbers for you

    C213xx
    N2528XX

    Hope this helps you out, the dating is a big help

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    Three More for survey

    0410-A five flames

    2700-A five flames

    5218-A five flames

    11662-B five flames


    D-32616 six flames


    N-258973 six flames

    All have S F R J grips --- pw imports
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