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    Default What do I have? Torre Annunziata

    Hello,

    I inherited a rifle from my grandfather and wanted to learn more about it. The only markings on it are:

    -Torre Annunziata
    -1880
    -XZ.4350

    I've searched the net and have seen some 1870's, 1891's,1870/87/15's, etc...that look the same. From what I've read, there were several conversions, so I'm not sure exactly what "model" I have. Can it be identified by the date of "1880"?

    I would like to know the caliber, model, and anything else about it I can.

    I also have a bayonet with it, but I don't think it fits. From my research, it is a M1913 ARTILLERIA Fca NACIONAL TOLEDO with the serial # 4765.

    Any information would be much appreciated. I'm thinking about hanging it above the fireplace and would like to know a little history about it when someone asks!

    Thanks,

    Scott

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    Your bayonet is for a model 1893 Spanish Mauser.
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    The date doesn't mean much for what model you have.

    Compare a bullet to the muzzle or measure. If it's in 6.5 caliber, it's an 1870/87/15. If the bore is wider - like nearly 44 caliber ( 10.4mm), it's an 1870/87

    If there is no magazine on a 10.4 caliber rifle, it's an 1870.

    See which you have, and accurate information can be provided for that model. SW
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    Thanks for the help. It must be a 1870/87/15 because the barrel is definitely less than a 44 and it does have a magazine.

    I'm assuming the 87 means 1887, but I'm not sure what the 15 means.

    Does anyone have a good link that I could learn more history of the 1870/87/15?

    Thanks again,

    Scott

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    A search engine prompt of "Italian Vetterli 1870/87/15" will give you a few links. SW

    Okay, I checked and most links are to auctions or posts right here. Try this one: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1

    Mostly, these were used for training - close order drill & so forth.
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    Here are some pictures of what I think is an 1870/87/??. If the pictrures help you tell me more about the rifle, please let me know.

    Thanks!

    P.S. I've also attached a pictrure of the bayonet, which I don't think fits/matches the rifle.

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    See my response on the bayonet above.
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