Need help reassembling AG42b
Hi folks,
It's been a while since I posted last . . .
My question: For a variety of reasons I've had my Ljungman disassembled for over a year. Now that I want to put it back together I've misplaced my directions.
Does anyone have or know of re-assembly instructions they can either post or refer me to?
Many thanks.
Ed B.
Smith and Smith "The Book of Rifles" Page 368 has instructions on assemly and dis assembly. If you can't find it, I can xerox it and mail it to your address. If my scanner worked I would scan it to you.
Subvet
Thanks Subvet,
I seriously appreciate your kind offer! I might have to take you up on it.
Maybe someone has already posted the process -- or knows if it's on-line somewhere -- and could save you the trouble.
Best,
Ed B.
Ed,Originally Posted by Ed B.
Here is a link to disassembly/assembly on a Hakim; should give you what you need.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/hakim/ri...mbly/index.asp
Stan the Man
Hi Stan the Man,
Thanks for taking the time to provide the Hakim information. While helpful, it doesn't get me exactly where I need to be. Case in point, the Hakim has a much simplified rear (leaf) sight when compared to the AG42b's dial system --- and my rear sight is currently in pieces!
Thanks, again, and best regards.
Ed B.
Ed,
I won't ask why you disassembled the rear sight <smile>.
Stan the Man
Stan,
You were right! I double-checked and, sure enough, the sight had not been disassembled. This shows the risk of posting/responding remote from the material under discussion. Guess I had a cerebral lockup.
Mea culpa!
Ed
Hakim....The gun from hell.....
I think it wone a competition being the worst gun made ever.....
/Särnhagen AKA Styggo
Found this website a month ago :
http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/ag42/ag42eng.htm
Regards
Rockfish Heaven
Fox Hill, Va.
Worst Gun Ever Made
I would doubt that it was the Hakim that won the honor of being the worst semi-auto ever made since it is so similar to the Swedish AG42 and was made using the same machinery. However, I do remember a similar report about the French semi-auto winning that dubious honor, and I am sure that there are other rifles that some would feel are deserving as well.
I also understand that the Swedish KG M40 would be a honorable candidate for being the worst gun ever. "Den galopperande järnsängen" or in englsih "The galopping Iron-bed" was in fact used by SS and fell apart when shooting with it. A swedish contribution to world peace...
I think one of the reason the Hakim was being considered bad was since it used 8x57 instead of 6.5x55 and didnt really work well with that ammo.
Also, With respect to people owning the Swedish Ag42 and Hakim as well, on should understand that the AG42 never was considered as a very good weapon in the Swedish Army. It didnt last very well in extreme battle condition. I myself has a AG42B which I use in re-enactment and my experience is that if you treat it really well and use it on a shooting range it works fine. Use it in combat and you will find yourself in more trouble. Thats my own experience and that is also Swedish army experience. It disapeared quite quick...was only in service for some 20 years and was swapped out to the German G3 (Swedish AK-4).
If you compare the AG-42 to other swedish weapons, for example the swedish submachine gun M45, it was in service from 1945-2007, The Swedish M96 was in service from 1896-2000 and the Swedish AK4 from 1963-. So to be honest, maybe what makes the AG-42 so good at the shooting range is the barrel and the 6.5x55 ammunition, function isnt the best.
Dutchman, dont ban me from the forum now....
/Särnhagen AKA Styggo
Last edited by Sarnhagen; 11-26-2007 at 09:00 AM.
Thanks, Rockcrusher! The website you pointed to was very helpful (and informative)!
Regards to all.
Ed B.
Re assembly of AGm/42B
Ed welcome to the forum!
The Ljungman is pretty simple to disassemble-re assemble.
Probably the trickiest part is the bolt and carrier firing pin-spring assemblies.
How far did you disassemble your rifle?
IF you run into problems let me know..Jim
Reassembly of AG42B
Hi Jim, and all who responded.
I'm pleased to report that the AG42B has been successfully reassembled! Thank you -- all -- for your support and encouragement.
I hope at some point I can return the favor.
Regards,
Ed B.
PS Hint to all: When reassembling ensure replacement of the sleeve that goes onto the middle action screw!
AGm/42B
Ed, glad you got 'er re assembled.
ALL three action screws have the spacer-sleeves...or should have.
I noted some earlier "dissing" of the Ljungman as a very effective battle semi auto.
The Swedes did not ever take the rifle to war..with the exception of some going into the Congo with UN forces back in the 60's I think..
The Swedes also primarily designed their military weapons and ammo for use in defending Sweden..NOT traveling all over the planet participating in wars with others nor building empires abroad..
In my experience, the primary problems the Ljungman had/has was with the existing Swede M94/41 Prickskytte ammo.
The Swedes had warehouses of it and designed the rifle to use it..after a fashion..rather than taking time & expense to develop a new load-recipe more suitable for the Direct Impingement gas operation system.
They implemented lubricating the cases to help sometime in the rifle's service history( the 50's?) and did some mods on the rifle ( the 'B' mods) and provided tools and spare parts for the rifle which could be used by the soldiers issued the weapons.All of these were a 'fix' of sorts but not what was truly needed for the rifle to cycle properly..esp when things heated up in timed or rapid fire.
The problem was/is with the powder burn rate-speed of the M94/41 ammo..It was/is too slow and the obturation process after firing lags the attempt of the direct gas op system and mechanicals of extraction to be timed well.In other words, the fired case is not done shrinking back in the chamber when the gas blowback is operating the bolt-extractor-carrier asembly..
This can cause torn case heads, broken extractors, stovepiping and other things which are a nuisance to the shooter today and potentially fatal for the user of a battle rifle.
The Hakim was up-designed with a <somewhat> adjustible gas block..That helped accomodate varying 8MM ammo the Egyptians had-used as well as allowing adjustments for extreme variations of ambient temps in the field...which could go from freezing to over 120F..
What the Ljungman needs is ammo to spec in all regards EXCEPT a faster burning powder.
I have found Rel15 to be a great workable powder with 139-140 grain bullets and a recipe that yields a MV of around 2550 FPS.For me, Lapua brass, WLR primers, 37 grains of Rel15 fills the bill.
In addition, the gas block on the Ljungman can be simply retrofitted so it is adjustible also.
New/old rep gas blocks are still available from Springfield Sporters and the mods are pretty simple-easy to do if one is so inclined.
As some may recall, the AGm/42B was the first mil issue Direct impingement gas operated rifle..
Years later, Stoner developed the US issue M16..and there were problems with that rifle when the proginal ammo spec was changed and the military purchased ammo from the 'low bidder' which was not burning cleanly or at proper speed..Those problems were eventually remedied ..
Hi Jim,
That is a GREAT essay on the AG42b -- including/especially the recipe for reloading. Unfortunately, I think it will be lost by being buried deep in this thread.
I think you'd be doing all users of the AG42b a favor by making it a separate thread readily accessible for future reference.
Many thanks for taking the time to respond.
Ed B.
AGm/42B..
Ed,
There have been numerous discussions on the Ljungman rifles, suitable ammo, remedies etc over the past several years.Also a pictorial-tutorial on my own 'non bubba' modifications of the gas block using original Swede gas blocks from Springfield Sporters for those who perhaps don't reload.
PROPERLY fed with suitable ammo having proper powder burn rate, 139-140 grain bullets, Swede spec brass ( Lapua) with attention to MV staying in the 2500-2550 FPS range, the Ljungman needs no case lubrication, no adjustible gas block mods to be reliable unless the shooter really is dealing with extreme rapid fire or high ambient temps like might be encountered in hotter climates.
They are fine rifles..accurate and functional for those who take the time to understand how they work and why..or why they DON'T..Jim
Jim, missed your mods to the gas block on GunBoards
Var 1 ? Can you re-post the info ? Am a Ljungman
newbie of 3 mos and do not re-load.
Thanks
RC
Rockfish Heaven
Fox Hill, Va.
Ljungman gas block mods
Rockcrusher,
Would be simplest for you to e mail me at
jim.fetrow@us.schneider-electric.com.
I will then send you a series of pictures and description of how to do the adjustible gas block mods on the AGm/42B Ljungman rifle..
Regards, Jim
PS:
You need to learn to reload..
Will give you a whole lot of flexibilities for your shooting.
Sportsman's Guide has the M94/41 Prickskytte Swede milsurp ammo again for sale.
EMail sent. RC
Rockfish Heaven
Fox Hill, Va.
Ljungman
Got both requests and pics & instructions sent to both of you.Jim
I really love my Ag42, and I really think it will, as Jim and others state work perfect with right treatment and ammo.
However, its not a God-made weapon. It has issues that made the life cykle of it to be shorter than any other Swedish firearms in the army. It may also be because of the need for a real assault rifle, and even though tests where made with a modified version to Fm 58/59 it wasnt selected.
When syaing, "The Swedes also primarily designed their military weapons and ammo for use in defending Sweden..NOT traveling all over the planet participating in wars with others nor building empires abroad.." that is correct, but one should also know that it was in service 1942 when europe was on fire and Sweden never really knew if they would manage to keep itself out of the war. Also, our arrogant, "we are peace keepers and pacifist people" attitude wasnt built up until the 1960ies. Sweden has also extreme weather conditions in regards to north to south and summer winter.
Särnhagen AKA Styggo
Last edited by Sarnhagen; 11-30-2007 at 04:34 AM.
Ljungman
Styggo,
I hear ya..and seeing as how you are Swedish your perspective is valued.
Point IS that unless one JUST collects and cares nothing about functionality, he can learn all there is to learn about the attributes (and shortcomings) of the AGm/42B rifle including reloading or feeding it proper ammo and so have a fine milsurp semi auto which will function reliably..
That is all I hoped to share here..Jim
Jim, I truely respect what you are saying.
Having americans being enthusiastic by swedish firearms make me proud, and happy, although I have nothing to do with more than being from Sweden.
My vision would be that we, swedes, would care about our history as much as americans do, and also try to preserve something for generations.
For example there is much to say why the construction of the AG42 was done, and that is of interest for us all today and coming generations.
Museums wouldnt exist if people like us didnt see values of these things.
Another example is that I already started to collect cold war period equipment and weapons, since I know that there will be a time when we all will look back and wonder why all these thngs where made.
Särnhagen AKA Styggo
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