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    Default WW2 German 8mm ammo.

    I dug out my crate today and took a bunch of photos of some of my ammo. I know there is an ammo section farther down the pile but wanted the German 8mm lovers to see it here. Most of it is Für MG but there is some pretty cool stuff in there like the B Patrone. Have lots more but only took photos of one batch. Have battle packs and other stuff. The crate is not in the best shape, solid and all there, but dry rotted to death. I got the crate from Austria years ago for $25 so it was a good grab. Still carries good and strong but areas are punky. Its for the MP44 ammo and I have a photo of that ammo in the second batch as well as an original pack of zdh primers. One stripper clip of standard ball s.S and one of s.m.K L-spur. Both show signs of corrosion. Stuff in the boxes is still nice and solid. Enjoy.

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    Second run of photos. In the ammo crate in the lower left side of the crate is some 39 dated ammo I do not recognize and forgot where I got is. Not the Steyr amm but the other 8mm. Anyone recognize it?

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    Ok, I'll admit it.

    I collect the wood boxes.

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    Id like to rip a few of them 'Fur Mg' to see if they really are different! got any for trade or barter? i do have a couple extra EZ.
    arent those for the stg44? 8mmkurtz? sure look like it.
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    Cool. I just picked up a full 1500 round crate of 1945 dated orange tracer ammo in the 300 rd battle packs with the original crate. I'll try to get some pics up today.
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    The 45 ammo is rare to find indeed. Check a few rounds out before you send them downrange if you are going to shoot it. Late war ammo has a very high percent of interior corrosion which at times from the outside isn't noticeable. If it is steel and you see pinholes anywhere it is looking at ammo, not shooting stuff. It will come apart, and you will get a partial stuck case in your chamber. Pain in the butt to get out! Been there, done that! If it is brass, usually no problem, but the steel stuff had issues unless stored really well.

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    Wow Farb, that was a score

    Can't wait for pix.



    RGuns imported a bunch of the FurMG. I should have bought all they had before they sold it to J&G. It was $2.50/box

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    No, third photo in the first batch shows the whole crate full. Lower left corner has some odd sized boxes, was just wondering if anyone knew what it was. Nice Bob. I have some battle packs as well but did not dig them out and photo them. I have tracer in orange, green/red, white and yellow. As well as the s.m.k without tracer, p.m.k and am working on getting some s.m.k-H as well but not holding my breath on that.
    Louie, you must have one hell of a stash... I have seen you selling it for years.

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    When J&G bought out all Century had imported from Turkey I made many trips there to load up the old F150. Been shooting it for years, and is probably the best 8mm bar none. All brass lead s.S. Very few duds for the amount of years on them. I have around 20 cases of 1500 left, so it is getting low! The stuff from Tenn Guns was great too, but this was a repack, and none had charger clips in them. Also many of TGs import from Yugoslavia had the labels scratched off like in the picture shown. The stuff that came out of Turkey was still in the orig. battlepacks, mostly sealed since the war. All matching ex. the stuff the Germans repacked themselve in repacked labeled German boxes.

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    The lower corner stuff in 20 round boxes is Polte German made sterile headstamp stuff sold to Romania. More than likely left over Spanish Civil War Contract. The odd sized boxes are the 8mm Mannlicher 8x56r made at Hirtenberger in Austria, P635 w/ Nazi eagle or Austrian if before anschluss. Can't see other odd shaped boxes, but it could be Czech pre war ammo since TennGuns brought in some of that w/ their German ammo in late nineties.

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    Here are some pics:
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    Tks Mow, guys, cool thread and pics, pic stickied. Farb I like that crate better than my Mod.88 crate.

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    Thanks boner- it has tan handles on it too which is cool. The thing has a few inspection stickers, the last being in 1958. I'm not going to pull the ammo out, it's too fragile. I bet it's a pile of rust inside there...like the titanic. This box is HEAVY though.
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    I remember when I believe Navy Arms had tons of this stuff in the crates, 1500 rds in 3 battlepacks as shown. There were all kinds of variants, tropical use, MG, strippers, air -sealed in tins, etc. It was cheap too, around $150 for a full crate. The belt fed MG shooters burned through gobs of it. I have a full case left in the leather hinged / tan canvas handled Mod.88 crates with all the labels. I kick myself for not buying more of it. It's in mint shape and looks stored properly, though one can never know what the inside of those steel cases looks like!

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    Nice crate..you never know till you open one. Some look great, others def. look like Titanic! Notice German label cases waxed, don't grease them..Every time I mention using a little paste wax on laquer Czech ammo everyones says I will blow up the rifle..Guess this is why Germans lost the war, they waxed their cases! Buddy in AZ turned me on to this and now no more sticky bolt Czech silver tip.

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    I got a lot of mine from J&G when it was $24? and change. Shipping was the costly part. I would like a complete case of L'spur myself if I could find it. Most of my "loose" boxes are laquered steel, my battle packs are brass. I opened one battlepack of steel and to my suprise it was all in fantastic condition (externally anyway). I have only shot my garden variety brass cased stuff and it is NICE to shoot..lol. Louie, dig up some photos man... don't hold back..lol. Did you get any of the S.m.K-H from J&G ? Or the P.m.k ?

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    Anybody know why the steel cased stuff rusts so badly, especially inside and not necessarily outside?

    I'd suspect it has something to do with the powder, or the corrosive primer.

    And, another question... With all the modern steel cased ammo, is this stuff going to rust internally too or have they figured something out to prevent that?

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    Miller. There are a combination of reasons. Externally from shipping, moving etc. The shells rub together removing the thin laquer finish and any moisture at all in the air or otherwise will begin the oxidation process. On the inside if they are stored in an area that goes from hot to cold in any kind of excess it will cause moisture inside the shells and when mixed with the salts in the powder it corrodes from the inside out and you will never notice until you see the hole or shoot it and it fouls up on you.

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    Here are a couple of my more interesting boxes. Among them are high velocity aircraft machine gun, incendiary, B'Patronen, tropical, aluminum core practice, some WW1, etc.









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    Pete. Great batch of ammo. Where did you manage to locate the s.m.K-H ? Every box I find is not for sale or just an empty box. The P.m.k is hard to find as well. And the 100/600 is not an easy find. Nice grouping of ammo.

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    IM likin this thread.
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    J&G never got any of the exotic types. It was all s.S., 99% brass cased. There was a slight amount of steel cased s.S. in it. Now, Navy Arms another story. All kinds of cool stuff in that import from Turkey. Remember since 68 this type of ammo is not supposed to be imported for lowly civilians. Now does some get through, obviously. The last big one was all the B Patronen and Tracer mixed in w/ the s.S. 50s Yugo. There was ammo from 33 to 40 only in the J&G grouping. Many feel this ammo was Afrika Korps capture eventually given to Turkey, since it's a NATO member. These were bunker cases, not 88 cases, and many had stenciling on them in English. Some would say ammunition packed in chargers, which seems more English than U.S.

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    Unfortunatey the SmK(H) is the only box in the whole group that is empty and even it was hard to come by.

    These boxes of dim tracer are not too common either.



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    Great boxes Peter! Are you still collecting chargers as well? Here are a few full 1500 round case pictures to add to the pile. Pmk (notice all the reused sleeves) aux loading label but still using earlier "P" headstamp,Smk P315 1938 loading,and a full cases of Smk-H, first model GMCS bullet (all but one sleeve). This ammo was all sixties era imported. I refuse to breakup full matching cases of the rare or uncommon stuff for individual boxes so here they sit blocking the floor in the shop! JH
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    Emulating Homer Simpson.... with my head back and drooling...... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....S.m.K-H.............


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    At the SOS, a guy had 2 boxes of FurMG ammo but the boxes were like 2x bigger and it had something like 7.5mm in it.

    Wanted $50/box. Never seen this stuff before. Anyone have pix of it?

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    like this....

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    Default German 7.9

    T.A., might be 6.5 Dutch. Blue stripe, fur mg in red, "am" was the manufacture if I remember. Just a guess. Here are a few more pictures of Smk-H for you mow. Case of Smk-H only this case is for the rifle 98 (on clips) interesting 1500 round label indicating various loading lots but all Polte. The last is of two sleeves of Smk-H are by other loaders. P490 was still using a GMCS bullet w/all red primer (the first version)at this point while the P398 loaded ammo is using the NCS bullet, with just the standard red PA for Smk or second variation. All the 1940 Polte has the fully blackened bullet w/ standard red PA and was the third and last of the ID's used on these scarce cartridges. JH PS: Peter,you beat me to the 6.5 Dutch........
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    Yep, top let blue one..cool!!

    Is this ammo common? I've never seen it before the show.

    What is a dutch 6.5 and why if you don't mind??







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    Peter - as always the depth of your collection never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for sharing!

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    The chargers on the 7.9 Smk-H were stained red (which looks almost purple on steel chargers) to help prevent careless use of this ammo by the troops in the field. JH

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    Jim,

    Yes, I still collect the chargers (stripper clips). I have one of them that has the red strip on it from use with the SmKH. When I got it it had (5) blanks on it. You may even recognize my empty box of SmKH, it came from you many years ago.

    TA The 6,5 was used in the captured Dutch weapons, not exactly sure which ones. The rounds look like this.



    The box that is marked "Fur Gewehr" has blanks in it.



    Is it common? No, but it shows up now & then.
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    Default German 7.9

    Pete I don't recall the "H" box but the WW1 Smk box in the upper right corner of that great collection of boxes sure looks familar. I think we traded for that if I remember right over twenty + years ago! Time sure flys. PS: at one time, the 6.5 Dutch cartridge loaded by the Germans was the cheapest thing out there and many enterprising MG shooters converted various belt guns for the round. Those days are long gone and it seems to have joined the "collector" catridge world. Who would have thunk it. JH

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    Feeling just a little bit humbled and out of my league for some reason..lol. Some great stuff in collections here.

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    yea marine. ole haak is the MAN. more haak! more!!!! LOL. ill try and pull some.
    for the boards. do you think its safe to try and pull a B-patrone with one of them plastic hammers?
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    "do you think its safe to try and pull a B-Patrone with one of those plastic hammers?" I would not try it Paul. The bullet is well designed but the safety collar on the firing pin can be loose on these things and that could be a really big bang! Better to try to carefully collet pull them down. The Yugo EZ (German B-Patrone "Remounted") were collet pulled in some way and some of those bullets are showing slow leakage at the bases of the lead plug with more than one account of powder being ignited. It's thought that the collet slightly compresses the bullet and that the steel jacket and the lead seal spring back at different rates, leaving a slight gap between the two where the WP may leak out. Just be carefull and remember to keep all WP rounds stored seperate from other cartridges. JH

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    WOW that Dutch stuff is pretty neat. I think Hambone mentioned a particular Dutch rifle in my Carcano post that the Germans used. Most of my ammo is a bunch of stuff that I found in an old shop here in town, all wooden practice stuff. I do have a couple of boxes of live 8mm, will have to post pics in a minute.

    By the way what is Tropical 8mm??

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    Default my boxes of ammo

    Here are my boxes that I have, first is a box that came out of a J&G crate way back when.
    Attachment 188746

    Here's a pack of S&B Czech VZ 24 ammo, 1937, 1938

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    Here's a pic of a box of 2-1945 dated stuff, steel case, probably crap.

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    Next is a box of 1944 mixed with 45 ammo, boxed dated 1939, no label.

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    Default Mmmmmmmmm 8 MM API

    Preduzece 44 8 MM K-98.


    Five rounds into the engine compartment............:eek:



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    8 MM API
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    "The Yugo military "remounted" different types of WW2 German projectiles during the mid to late fities. The "EZ" loading pictured is the WW2 German B-Patone bullet (Observation Bullet) in the Yugo cases with new propellant, usually type "05". The German API bullet, or Pmk, is not nearly as impressive to shoot as the B-Patrone, but has quite a bit more penetration in steel than the B-Patrone. Both bullets use WP as the incendiary agent which is quite effective and produces a lot of smoke. Neat stuff & fun to shoot."
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    Ohh, yeah, there is some nice ammo in this thread!!!!

    ETA Pretty much all mine is still packed until the man cave is done.....other than the three boxes I picked up over the last couple of weeks...but when I get it unpacked again, I'll take a pic of all mine....I love boxed German ammo, they had such a huge variety of specialized stuff!
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    Default Yugo "EZ"

    The Yugo military "remounted" different types of WW2 German projectiles during the mid to late fities. The "EZ" loading pictured is the WW2 German B-Patone bullet (Observation Bullet) in the Yugo cases with new propellant, usually type "05". The German API bullet, or Pmk, is not nearly as impressive to shoot as the B-Patrone, but has quite a bit more penetration in steel than the B-Patrone. Both bullets use WP as the incendiary agent which is quite effective and produces a lot of smoke. Neat stuff & fun to shoot. JH

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    Here is a couple of boxes that just got delivered today, in my experience, pretty scarce boxes, I was happy to get them...

    High velocity, tropical API....mainly for use in aircraft machine guns....perhaps destined to be loaded into the trays of Hans Joachim Marseilles aircraft, but never got there? ;-)

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    Cool thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    Cool thread!
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    I waited waaaaaaaaaaaay to long to get into guns!

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