pre-ban Norinco AK, what do I have here?

**Vergeltung** · 08-07-2009, 05:19 PM

hey dudes. I have a pre-ban Norinco AKM-47S. any idea what I have here as regards manufacture date or the like? there's no Norinco star anywhere to be found, and these pics show every stamping on the gun.

the on blurry one (I am using a borrowed camera, and could not retake right now) says as far as the serial number "M0000664" and the reciever says:

AKM/47S
SEMI AUTO
7.62 x 39

thanks in advance!

EDIT: oh, I forgot, pic 5 has nothing but the letters "D and "B" at that spot. what do you think?

**Vergeltung** · 08-07-2009, 05:30 PM

ok, found a non-blurry receiver shot. sorry. as if you did not believe me!

**jjjxlr8** · 08-07-2009, 05:32 PM

Nice rifle! A keeper!

It's hard to date for sure, but my guess is that it was made in the mid-late 80's just before it was imported.

AKBLUE or some other AKM expert will chime in soon...

**Vergeltung** · 08-07-2009, 05:37 PM

thanks brother man!! yeah, I paid some serious beans for this one, definatley the "queen" of my AK collection!! :D

**UPdownLoAD** · 08-07-2009, 06:09 PM

Any idea who the importer is? That may help quite a bit.....

**SturmGrenadier** · 08-07-2009, 06:11 PM

SILE, NY from what one of the pictures show.

**Vergeltung** · 08-07-2009, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by SturmGrenadier

SILE, NY from what one of the pictures show.

yep.

I was told, that perhaps this is a really rare early SILE import. that's kind of the info I was fishing for.

**videodon** · 08-07-2009, 06:57 PM

I have one just like it.
(blued carrier, etc.)
Enjoy!

**Vergeltung** · 08-07-2009, 06:58 PM

well, then. that's a sexy beast we both have then!!

thanks for the reply! any idea when yours was manufactured?

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-08-2009, 01:03 AM

Man, I just hate it when videodon posts his ChiCom AK pics. Makes me despise my own existence for not owning one myself...

**videodon** · 08-08-2009, 06:17 AM

Dr. Fever, you needs to head east
and start your very own collection
of preban Chinese goodies!

**Vergeltung** · 08-08-2009, 07:19 AM

agreed. I am really glad I snapped this one up.

**sniper55** · 09-08-2009, 06:32 PM

from what i know of these they came in through sile , n.y. early 1980,s
i have one identical, but it is a 56 s. never fired also came in through sile n.y.
they are some of the most sought after ak.s along with the polytech,s. you have a beauty of a weapon, and yes the queen of a collection, i feel the same of mine . also have a few other norinco ,s i take out and enjoy
good luck

**AKBLUE** · 09-08-2009, 07:06 PM

Here is a 1985 Sile, Polytech double underfolder rifle. Bought it years ago in the box. Great shooter.

**videodon** · 09-08-2009, 07:12 PM

AKBLUE, I like your double UF.
...a lot!

**BWilhelm** · 09-08-2009, 08:46 PM

I have a Norinco sidefolder with very similar or identical (haven't looked at it in a while) receiver markings that was imported (not built) by B-West. It too is devoid of manufacturer markings and is import marked on the bottom front of the receiver. I can post some pictures if it would help.

**wee** · 09-09-2009, 12:14 AM

Type 56S?

**cousinkix1953** · 09-09-2009, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by sniper55

from what i know of these they came in through sile , n.y. early 1980,s
i have one identical, but it is a 56 s. never fired also came in through sile n.y.
they are some of the most sought after ak.s along with the polytech,s. you have a beauty of a weapon, and yes the queen of a collection, i feel the same of mine . also have a few other norinco ,s i take out and enjoy
good luck

The Norinco 56/s is the version used in that infamous Stockton schoolyard shooting 20 years ago. Those stupid anti-gun Kommiefornia politicians had to rewrite their AWB three times just to make sure that it was banned. These rifles were imported by a Norinco affiliate company called China Sports. Their warehouse in the Ontario area...

**Vergeltung** · 09-09-2009, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by sniper55

from what i know of these they came in through sile , n.y. early 1980,s
i have one identical, but it is a 56 s. never fired also came in through sile n.y.
they are some of the most sought after ak.s along with the polytech,s. you have a beauty of a weapon, and yes the queen of a collection, i feel the same of mine . also have a few other norinco ,s i take out and enjoy
good luck

thanks for the feedback man. guess I'll never know for sure, but, "early 80s" is good enough!

thanks for all the replies fellas. :cool:

**cousinkix1953** · 09-09-2009, 09:55 AM

Here is the original Norinco type 56s AK-47 clone that was outlawed in Kommiefornia in 1989 and
banned by a Bush 41' executive order a few weeks later. These were replaced by the post-ban
MAK 90 (below) one year later.

It looks like you have one of those original Chinese rifles. looking around the internet, I saw a couple of them offered for sale for in the $1000 range...

**Vergeltung** · 09-09-2009, 12:27 PM

yeah, I did pay a premium for it. going to keep it for a long time.

thanks for the info.

**cousinkix1953** · 09-09-2009, 10:58 PM

Another original Poly-Technologies has been found in Kommiefornia. It was never registered in 1989 ans therefore illegal to own in that anti-gun police state. The owner cannot modify it to meet their new requirements either; so it might find it's way here too...

**lomalinda** · 09-09-2009, 11:14 PM

As a resident of "Kommiefornia," I want to urge you and the rest of the members of the board who don't live in this state to:

1. Hang on to those beautiful, CA-banned AKs. Norinco and Polytech are beautiful and if I ever get outta here, I'll be getting some of my own.

2. Work with us to help defeat the new Czars, especially Sunstein, who are going to try to use restrictions pioneered here in CA against the rest of the country.

Check out our site, where people have been able to bring about a revolution in CA-legal firearms that includes members of the Arsenal series and all of the Lancaster, etc., AKs:

calguns.net

**cousinkix1953** · 09-10-2009, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by lomalinda

As a resident of "Kommiefornia," I want to urge you and the rest of the members of the board who don't live in this state to:

1. Hang on to those beautiful, CA-banned AKs. Norinco and Polytech are beautiful and if I ever get outta here, I'll be getting some of my own.

2. Work with us to help defeat the new Czars, especially Sunstein, who are going to try to use restrictions pioneered here in CA against the rest of the country.

Check out our site, where people have been able to bring about a revolution in CA-legal firearms that includes members of the Arsenal series and all of the Lancaster, etc., AKs:

calguns.net

You're right about keeping those early rifles in the free states. The guy in Kommiefornia had the bright idea that (models on the 1989 Roos-Roberti s--- list) could be converted to an OLL. Wrong! The people who do this for a living warned him not to risk getting busted.

It's just too easy, to sell it out-of-state for $1000. The Patrick Purdy special sold for $350 maximum in gun stores just before they were banned. Take the money and run...

**barberl** · 09-11-2009, 10:47 PM

Here you go man. Looks like you have an early Sile. http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=107977
Looks like a fellow member here has number 1!

**videodon** · 09-12-2009, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by barberl

Here you go man. Looks like you have an early Sile. http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=107977
Looks like a fellow member here has number 1!

There's another member on another forum
that has # 000

**Vergeltung** · 09-12-2009, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by barberl

Here you go man. Looks like you have an early Sile. http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=107977
Looks like a fellow member here has number 1!

thanks for then link. looks like I have to register to see it, which I will do later. thanks! that's cool news!!!!! :D

**barberl** · 09-12-2009, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Vergeltung

thanks for then link. looks like I have to register to see it, which I will do later. thanks! that's cool news!!!!! :D

You won't regret it. I have been a member for several years and think it is one of the best forums on the net dealing with Kalashnikovs. There is an incredible amount of knowledge there. I have a Sile preban Norinco also but mine is marked 56S with the 66 in a triangle factory mark and serial number on the front trunnion. These are the usual markings that you normally run across. Your rifle is a beauty by the way!

**justashooter** · 09-15-2009, 07:21 AM

clayco stamped guns are just a bit more common, and milled polytech legends even more so, which is why i have one NIB with the kit and kaboodle. $600 seemed a fair price...

**videodon** · 09-15-2009, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by justashooter

clayco stamped guns are just a bit more common, and milled polytech legends even more so, which is why i have one NIB with the kit and kaboodle. $600 seemed a fair price...

...I'll give ya $700 for it!

**daskro** · 09-19-2009, 12:34 PM

Speaking of Norinco AKs, I'm curious what's the story behind this AK
Stamped with the triangle with a "66" in the middle then a "56," so it's a type 56, but what throws me off is the strange pistol grip. What's the value on something like this?

**Vergeltung** · 09-19-2009, 02:20 PM

looks sweet!!

**rayman1** · 09-19-2009, 04:39 PM

Actually, all the Chinese AK's are called "Type 56." Looks like that one is just an earlier import. The pistol grip is just one of a few styles the Chinese used with the phenolic furniture. They're not ultra-rare but somewhat uncommon - they tend to sell for $40-$80 by themselves when they pop-up on the auctions.

The rifle looks pretty nice. Perhaps something in the realm of $1100-$1300 depending upon the right person wanting it badly.

**unbekannt** · 09-19-2009, 06:11 PM

I have one, too. My sn# is M002***. The bayo it came with is a "dark" orange color.

**sniper55** · 09-20-2009, 04:26 PM

yes, always nice to see such great ak porn of the norincos. a weapon of choice for me .
glad to hear we have so many norinco collectors here. i am always looking to put another in my safe.

**Jones Co. Ms.** · 09-20-2009, 06:09 PM

Thanks for the reply, so far yours is the only one. can you tell me the dif. between the 84S and the 84 S1? Also about what is the going price for one in good to excelent condition?

Thanks;
Jonese...

**AKBLUE** · 09-20-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jones Co. Ms.

Thanks for the reply, so far yours is the only one. can you tell me the dif. between the 84S and the 84 S1? Also about what is the going price for one in good to excelent condition?

Thanks;
Jonese...

S = fixed stock
S1 = underfolder stock

**Florida Mike** · 09-20-2009, 08:13 PM

I saw 2 at the last Rochester NY show. Pre ban One NIB everthing there $1450.

**KiwiSilverfox** · 09-25-2009, 05:19 AM

Reading this thread got me curoius so I pulled my 84s out of the box and had a look at it. All it has stamped on it is.. 56 in a triangle, 84s, the serial number, 5.56mmx45 and made in china.
I know it will have been imported into New Zealand in the 1980`s early 1990`s then we had a mass killing and they were banned unless you got a stringent license to keep them which I did in around 2004 and found this one still in the box with 2 30rd mags and unfired for around $400us, Its now had a couple of hundred .223rds put through it, its very well finished compared to my saiga M3 foward trigger.....Now recently made a banned import as well.
Anyone able to confirm its a Norinco??

Cheers

**jjjxlr8** · 09-26-2009, 08:34 PM

Here is what the marks look like on my pre-ban 84S-1... it actually has the Norinco logo.

**AKBLUE** · 09-26-2009, 08:48 PM

Ditto on my type 84. About 3,000 serial numbers from your S1. Norinco logo. Box and accessories. I think a metal oil bottle, gas port tool, 3 mags, bayo.,

**BWilhelm** · 09-26-2009, 09:43 PM

Well if we're showing off Norinco porn, I'm all into that!! :D

**Don Francis** · 09-27-2009, 01:12 PM

Norinco booths 1988-89 Shot Shows

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