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    Default Gew 88 Bayonet

    I am a Lee Enfield man
    but recently acquired a Gew 88 in A1+ condition complete except for a sling and bayonet. The downside is that it is Turkish marked, with German maker/date and serial numbers present.

    Can someone tell me what bayonet will fit this rifle , some of the threads Ive read on this site mention S71/84 and a few others. Its pretty confusing..
    The bayonet mount is on the side and a 1939 german 98 bayonet will fit on the lug but obviously not the rifle.
    any help would be appreciated

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    An S1871 bayonet is a great (but somewhat expencive) choice. It was widely used with the Gew88. It is a huge, impressive looking bayonet.

    Then there is the S71/84 bayonet and a lot of ersatz bayonets (The ones with the dual radius muzzle rings.

    Here is a common ersatz type mounted on a gew88.




    And here... With S1871

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    Crikey!! The ones in the photo are impressive :0)
    Can you give me an Idea of price and a good spot to go look one....
    I havent seen any like that on ebay.

    Am I correct in saying the the one in the photo is the S1871 and the fitted on is a s71/84

    thanks

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    The one in the photo is an S1871, that is correct.

    The mounted one is an ersatz bayonet.

    The 71/84 is hard to find. You can find an example of it here:
    http://www.old-smithy.info/country%20sheets/germany.htm

    I've seen a few S1871 on ebay, they do turn up. I have no other sources, sadly.
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    Oh yes, the S1871 is quite impressive.

    Here is mine.






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    They are most impressive mate and I will be looking for one for my rifle.
    Why settle for second best ..:0) might have to get an ersatz until one shows up. I'll always ask about the dual radius muzzle ring before I buy .

    Thank you for sharing them with me and for your help
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    I knew I had an even better picture of the S1871....

    As for the dual radius muzzle ring it is easy to identify, it consists of two prongs that are drilled to take two types of barrel. The upper one fits the Gew88, the lower fits the gew98. I'll post a picture of one later. You can easily recognise it once you know what it looks like, no need to ask each seller.
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    Hi Bayonetcollector
    Thats definetly the one for me fighten the wife with that one Ha! Just kidding..
    I may have noticed the muzzle ring with a split, just saw one on ebay . didnt look to good I'll go back and add it to post. you can see if its correct


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    The one with the round muzzle ring is a german ersatz bayonet that has been modified in turkey. That one will not fit the gew88.

    The other one is a correct type. You need a muzzle ring that looks like this:

    Note the wider radius high up and the narrower radius lower.





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    Thanks bayocollector
    I'm with you now the photos spell it out many thanks will be right from here on in and will look forward to tracking down an s1871 in due course.

    appreciate your patience
    Cheers
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    No bother at all, Gavin. I have a very soft spot for Gew88 in particular and German WWI bayonets too...

    Just to even things out, here is a picture of an ersatz bayonet in its
    "natural habitat". Note the sling in the "parade" position.

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    Erzatz Butcher Sawback

    Guys: Here is a Erzatz Butcher that turned up locally....fits on my 71/84, and GEW 88...as well as various M 98's..

    Notice the long 98 sawback included for comparison...

    Dale
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    Vonmazur... I'm green (Well, I suppose "verdigris" is a better description in these forums) with envy. That is one of the variations I still don't have. :eek:

    That is the trouble about collecting bayonets, you get to need your "fix" rather fast... :D
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    Thanks for the added pic Bayonetcollector and vonmazur we Aussies have a name for guys like you :0) not printable here of course.

    I'm envious as well that bayo is a mean mother !

    Cheers

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    Hi Bayonet Collector

    Pics of Butcher bayonet
    What do you think Big Fella?
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    Hello IMHI2,

    If you are into big bad blades, than any od the bayonets seen in these two photos were officially issued with the Gew 88m during WWI. If I have some time later in the week, I'll shoot a close-up of this group.

    Nice find regarding the Gew 88! They are nice rifles with lots of History behind them, whether Turkish marked or not.

    Welcome to the Forum!

    Warmest regards,

    JPS

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    Whew! Thanks JPS for a minute there I thought I was about to get a serve for my post on your sticky.
    I droulled throu your pics in the other posting. Love your work!
    Bayonetcollector pointed me in the right direction and I got carried away bought an 1871 and 71/84 for the 88 and the butcher blade cause I loved it...have to get a K98 now.. It never really stops does it..

    Look forward to the pics. will stick one of my 88 up too its nearly as good as my 1895 LMCC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayonetcollector View Post
    The one with the round muzzle ring is a german ersatz bayonet that has been modified in turkey. That one will not fit the gew88.
    I wonder which rifle it will fit

    /Amsfelder

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    Hi Bayonetcollector

    I have uploaded the pictures of 1871 bayonet
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by amsfelder View Post
    I wonder which rifle it will fit

    /Amsfelder
    That bay will fit most of the reworked Turkish 8mm rifles..The 1893, 1903, ATF and the K.Kales..Genericaly I believe the importers and many others would refer to these as the Turkish M38 rile..Although there are many large differences between these models...The Key was to standardise them in regards to ammo and the bayonets as well...Many, and I mean Many bayonets were converted to fit this M38 standard...One reason to collect Turkish bays is you can often find rare bayonets and scabbards..Yes modified and often quite heavily but something is better than nothing and after awhile you may find you have grown fond of these mutts. The ingenuity in fabrication and the varied history they posses in their own right.

    I do not own this one (pictured) but it is one of my favorites!..

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    Painterjohn. That modification is new to me, excellent! (Envy!)

    I also like those turkish modifications and have lots of them, a fascinating field of collecting actually.

    However I don't think that modified ersatz will fit the standard turkish bayonet lug. The muzzle ring is too low. It has had the handle shortened, so not for a standard 98 model (that would require no shortening and no added muzzle ring. So, some rifle with a short bayonet lug directly beneath the barrel and a rather short lenght of barrel protruding past the bayonet lug? Ideas anyone?

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    IMHI2, you have certainly been busy...

    The Butcher blade looks very nice, great condition as far as I can tell, and not the most common maker either. Nice catch.

    The S1871 also looks good, some pitting, but I've seen much worse. Looks like you did good.

    I see a picture of a Turkish modified butcher blade has snuck into your S1871 post. That is one of the less common variations, added muzzle ring. Nice one.

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    OOPS!
    Posted that one in error thats the one that got me onto the seller, I have that one on hold as I spent to many $'s.
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    Heres the 71/84 $50
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    That price is simply a steal! Nice catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayonetcollector View Post
    That price is simply a steal! Nice catch.

    I agree! $50 for a 71/84 with scabbard? A steal indeed. (Envious..... )

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    I do not own this one (pictured) but it is one of my favorites!..[/QUOTE]

    I was impressed with it as well, fits nicely in my 98/05 and Turkish conversions collections

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    Yep me again the newby
    This is another bayonet I'm looking to buy is it an M24b
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    Hi again. This one is not an M24b, it is a 98/05 that has been to turkey and has been shortened there in the 1930s. I have quite a lot of variations of these, they are getting more expencive these days, but are still pretty common, tons of them came from Turkey.

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    There are Ersatz bayonets specifically for the 88 (see my Ersatz page for an example), they come with a single muzzle ring that is recessed to fit the barrel end on the 88, they take soem finding and few EBAY pictures will show it clearly. You can also get French 1874 Gras's modified to fit the 88 which woudl make a nice discsssion piece (these were made for the UDF in Ireland during the Irish problems around WWI time). If you wnated to collecto blades for just one rifle then the 88 woudl probably yield the largest single number of potential bayonets and conversions. Looking for a rifle to test out how many of my blades ar 88's not 98's

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