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    Default Got bored......Glock 17 barrels in 9x18 Makarov

    Few weeks ago, I read on a website out of Belgium, company has made a 9x18 Makarov conversion for the Glock 17 pistol. Uses Standard Glock 9mm magazines. Contacted them to see if they would sell to the USA, heard back this morning, they say not interested at this time.

    Just for S&G I contacted a Barrel maker here in the USA who makes Glock barrels, to see if they would be interested in such a project, they just wrote back and said they would look into it and see if they could produce a prototype.

    There question is, how many people off hand would be interested in something like this ? Would be made to fit
    the Glock 17, but would also work in the G19 (would extend past the end of the slide) Any Glock 9mm mags would work, so you could have a 17rd or even a 33rd 9x18 Pistol.

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    I'd be interested.

    There was a post about this company back before Christmas. I contacted them as well and got the same answer.

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...s-to-fire-9x18
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    Making the barrel is not hard.
    Getting magazine to reliably feed will be very very interesting experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ij70 View Post
    Making the barrel is not hard.
    Getting magazine to reliably feed will be very very interesting experience.
    I'm not a tupperware fan but I can't see where getting the mag to feed would be a big problem. I may be missing something in this, wouldn't be the first time. I've only owned one 17 and it was pretty reliable about feeding anything I fed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ij70 View Post
    Getting magazine to reliably feed will be very very interesting experience.
    I'm skeptical as well. The video and their website claim no problems but it could be marketing hype. I think it would be an interesting experiment and right now I can get 9x18 cheaper than 9x19.
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    Wouldn't you need a softer recoil spring too? I don't have a 9mm Glock. If I did own one and could simply drop in a $50. barrel for a 9x18 conversion, I might buy one.

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    If no mag modification involved I would be interested.

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    Their conversion kit consists of just a drop-in barrel - no change of the springs is mentioned.

    They also say that it uses a standard magazine with no modifications.

    However, they do say the following:
    The standard Glock 9x19 mm magazine sets a little bit out in thickness during filling. This is caused by the bigger dimensions of the 9.22 mm bullet of the 9x18 caliber. This has not caused significant problems. The feeding of the cartridges works fine, only it is a lit bit difficult to put the thicker magazine in the Glock pistol. The empty magazine comes back to normal dimensions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TENNESSEEAN View Post
    I'm not a tupperware fan but I can't see where getting the mag to feed would be a big problem. I may be missing something in this, wouldn't be the first time. I've only owned one 17 and it was pretty reliable about feeding anything I fed it.
    What you are missing is the fact that 9x19 is longer then makarov cartridge. When you put makarov cartridges into Glock magazine, they are going to try to go which ever way because there will be some space for them to move in. Case in point:
    1. Chinese used three ways to go from 7.62 to shorter 9x19 in their tokarevs. First way modified the magazine well and used unique magazine. Second way modified the magazine. Third way was to use unique frame and unique magazine.
    2. The company that Gary contacted came up with special cartridge to work with this conversion because regular makarov cartridges will not feed relibably when using barrel by itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoardLurker View Post
    Their conversion kit consists of just a drop-in barrel - no change of the springs is mentioned.

    They also say that it uses a standard magazine with no modifications.

    However, they do say the following:
    You missed the part about special hotter ammunition (that accounts for recoil spring) that uses longer heavier bullet that brings the cartridge OL to that of 9x19 which means that you can use regular Glock magazines (that accounts for reliable feeding from original magazines). Without that ammunition you have a paperweight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ij70 View Post
    You missed the part about special hotter ammunition (that accounts for recoil spring) that uses longer heavier bullet that brings the cartridge OL to that of 9x19 which means that you can use regular Glock magazines (that accounts for reliable feeding from original magazines). Without that ammunition you have a paperweight.
    In both the video and on the website, they use regular 9x18 and their new cartridge. They even say you can intermix the two in the same mag without problem. Their marketing position is to make a "modern pistol" (their term not mine) that can use existing stocks of 9x18. I don't believe it will be a paperweight but the proof is always in actually trying it.
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    I really don't see a reason to buy a 9x18 barrel for a Glock since there are so many more effective defense rounds for the 9x19. I still think the good ol' Makarov pistol is the best platform for the good ol' 9x18:-)
    I can see if you just wanted to do it for fun, but it's not practical at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmygun View Post
    I really don't see a reason to buy a 9x18 barrel for a Glock since there are so many more effective defense rounds for the 9x19. I still think the good ol' Makarov pistol is the best platform for the good ol' 9x18:-)
    I can see if you just wanted to do it for fun, but it's not practical at all.

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    I would rather have a 9x18 barrel for a Kel Tec PF9. Light, thin, easy to wear for a CCW.

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    I agree that there's a difference but 9x18 vs 9x19 I can't hardly see that being a big factor. Now 7.62x25 vs 9x19 that's a pretty good difference and would be a factor. If I already had one then I might consider it but I ain't going out and buy a glock just so I can buy a 9x18 barrel for it. Just doesn't make good sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by ij70 View Post
    What you are missing is the fact that 9x19 is longer then makarov cartridge. When you put makarov cartridges into Glock magazine, they are going to try to go which ever way because there will be some space for them to move in. Case in point:

    1. Chinese used three ways to go from 7.62 to shorter 9x19 in their tokarevs. First way modified the magazine well and used unique magazine. Second way modified the magazine. Third way was to use unique frame and unique magazine.
    2. The company that Gary contacted came up with special cartridge to work with this conversion because regular makarov cartridges will not feed relibably when using barrel by itself.
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    Glock makes a pistol in .380 , the G25 & 28, but they don't sell them in the US market.
    It would be interesting to see how close the G25 is to the 9mm models.

    Some time back I picked up a nice used G19 at a good price , I'm not a big fan of the tupperware frames, but this one won't be going anywhere soon.

    Just for S&G I would be willing to give a 9x18 conversion barrel a try in the G19.

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    But 100% sure, but I think the .380 Glock is a straight blowback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looter View Post
    But 100% sure, but I think the .380 Glock is a straight blowback.
    I should have read a little more before posting the above,
    From the PTOOMA Productions, The Complete Glock Reference Guide:
    The G25/28 in .380 uses a modified blow back operation ( ramps on the barrel and slide) and also uses a unique magazine with a latter type spacer at the rear of the magazine.

    So now I wonder about how useful a 9x18 conversion would be on a G17/19 ?

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    I have some 115 GR Silver Bear hollow points that develop over 260 fpe, which is in the low power 9mm range. Why wouldn't they work?

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    i would definitely purchase a glock 17 , 19 and 26 barrel produced in 9X18, so throw my name on that list......

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    Just looking aroung and found this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmlZK1XQfys

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    Neat concept. I'll be interested to see how it comes out. Not interested for myself at this time, but always interested in things 9x18.

    My Glock 17 is my ugliest pistol. I hate it, and I love it. I shoot it better than any pistol I own except for one pet EG, and the two are close. The 17 feels funny to me (points at the sky), and goes bang every time it should. With the Galco shoulder rig, I only have 52 rounds available without stuffing more mags. I carry it if a jacket is doable and I am going places I'd rather not go. If I find another Glock at a good price, I might be interested in the conversion barrel.

    George, thanks for bringing this up. CB

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    It's an intriguing idea, but I'd rather see a small polymer .380 (Ruger LCP, Kel-Tec P3AT, the new Walther .380, etc) increased in power to 9x18. I'd rather keep using 9x19 in my guns which are already 9x19. A lightweight pocket pistol that fires 9x18 would be pretty sweet.
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    Interesting tech experiment, but why? The 9mm Luger can be had cheaper that almost any other ammo. Less than the cost I normally see tacked onto a box of 9x18mm.

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    A glock 17 / 19 in 9x18 would be 20% less powerful and more controlable. In addition those who feel the 9mm Luger over penetrates would be more comfortable with the 9x18 since it has less penetratin power than the 9mm luger. Ammo is about the same price, and more readily available than 9mm luger at times. I personally would like the option to shoot either out of my G19, and since a barrel and or spring swap out is so easy it would seem to be a natural.

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