Here is a list of the disks I saw up to now.
Does anybody know about other markings???
Please show the disks on your rifles!!
KTR 2/V & MO
M-PTRI KTR 1
RES.AUK VIESTI R
1899 Tula, original barrel:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming.
Former US President Teddy Roosevelt.
1932 Tikka M-27 in the "ski/bicycle" stock
Here are some pictures of stock disks that I have on file. The optics case with the brass stock disk attached is no longer in my collection. I still have all the other disks. I have a few more in my rifles with disks in my collection but no pictures at this time. Note that one of the M91's pictured is wearing it's disk on the left side of the stock. When I pulled this one out of the cardboard package it was quite a surprise.
Now I'm going to have to clean that rifle!!
1928 M27 with ski sling swivels. #28439 VK-1-TR top to bottom respectively. Sorry have not mastered pictures or stripper clips yet. John.
Cool photos guys!
Question -- what is the time frame of these disks? I seem to remember something about brass being pre-war and zinc or aluminum being post-war. Am I close? TIA
Here are my stock unit discs, a NEW M91, a 1933 M27, and puukko knife
I think one disk is in your list, the others? I love your quizzes but they are way too hard for me. Quiz for you, the badge is real, not a toy and decades old. Can you tell me what American city it was issued in? The large crescent is a clue. The real post war disc is on a 1943 Sako M39, it covers a Finnish stock maker's mark. The brass disc is real also but never been on a rifle.
Those rifles with intact brass discs must be rare as they were supposed to have been removed during the Finnish/Russian wars, how could they still have them?
If you notice the TYK.K over JP3 disk, it's split onto two lines. Mine is crammed on one. Different armorers in the different Jaeger battaliions coming up with their own solutions?About the brass disk:
"JP 2" is definetely Jaakaripataljoona 2 = Jaeger Battalion 2, but "TK" is bit more uncertain. My best (educated) guess for it would be "Tykkikomppania" = AT-gun Company. Being ski-swivel version of infantry rifle M/27 also fits nicely to this unit type. Jaeger Battalions were bicycle infantry in summer and ski infantry in winter, so them having ski swivels certainly makes sense.
So most likely translation:
Rifle number 47, AT-Gun Company of Jaeger Battalion 2.
That really makes sense. We just need a confirmation.
Did you know that pretty often the rear side of a stock disk has markings also?
Here is one:
Yes, the "Special Officer's" badge, Ha... too hard for you. The "Crescent City" is a nickname for New Orleans, Louisiana, as it is located within a large curve of the Mississippi river. The same design is used today by the New Orleans police force, except larger and not quite as ornate. I dug this badge from my backyard in the sixties as a kid in New Orleans, always played with plastic army men in the dirt. I believe it is made of coin silver or German silver.
How do these Finnish rifles still have their brass discs? Have only seen photos, never seen one in person. Nice photos guys!
TVK.KOULU, could it actually be TYK.KOULU = Tykistökoulu = Artillery School
UR = Uudenmaan Rykmentti = Uusimaa Regiment
TYK.K = (as mentioned seems to be) (Antitank-)Gun Company
KSR = Keski-Suomen Rykmentti = Centre Finland Regiment
E = (usually) Esikunta = HQ
Any ideas for PTOR RUK?
(*) During World War 2: TK = Torjuntakomppania = literally translated: Repulse Company, personally I prefer to call it coastal defence company or beach defence company. It was a company size formation of coastal troops intended for defensive combat and equipped with ligth cannons (20 - 47mm) and medium machineguns (water-cooled Maxim). While these seem to have established only around 1940 - 1941, the abbreaviation may have been reserved for them already earlier.
KH, sorry about the poor photo the PTOR RUK is actually PION RUK. I have no idea what the meaning of the "E" on the Pioneer disc. Regards Sprint 10
As mentioned E usually refers as Esikunta (headquarters), so when used in front of unit name abbreaviation it refers to HQ of that unit.
In this case:
E / PION.P = Esikunta / Pioneeripataljoona = Headquarters of Engineer Battalion
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Looks familiar,didn't know that disks could have been marked on both sides kh.
Come on! There must be MANY more!!
KH, here are some better pictures of the puukko, sorry about the delay. Regards Sprint 10
Very nice Puukko with a VERY nice disk. Thank you for the photos! I am a little green with envy!
Here is the only disc on any rifle I have, other than one that is only marked with a rack number, no unit.
Garand Collectors Assoc.
Alabama Gun Collectors Assoc.
Alabama Military Collectors Assoc.
Tennessee Military Collectors Assoc.
Tennessee Valley Civil War Round Table
National Society, Sons of the American Revolution
Here are a few more disks. The two with only the rifles numbers and without the units marked are attached to captured M91's. The POHJ.R is attached to an M27.
Now I'm going to have to clean that rifle!!
Very, very nice again, Alsky!
I remember someone had an IVÄ marked disk and posted it a long time ago. I would love to see a good photo again! Does anyone know the meaning?
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