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    Here is a list of the disks I saw up to now.

    Does anybody know about other markings???

    Please show the disks on your rifles!!

    The list:

    ER.P
    ER.PANS.K
    HämRjP
    HAUTOK
    H/JP-4
    HRR
    I/RUK
    1/ITR
    IVÄ
    JP-1
    JP-2
    JP-3
    JP-4
    JP-4/16/VK
    JP-5
    JP-6
    JPSTO
    JR
    K.M.K.HUOLT.O.R
    KKK
    KKR
    KTR
    KTR 2/V & MO
    MGK. UR
    MM 1937
    M-PTRI KTR 1
    NSD
    PION.P
    PION.P H
    POHJ.R
    PPP
    PR
    PSTO/KAR PR
    PTRI
    RatsPTRI
    RES.AUK VIESTI R
    RES. HUOLTOR
    RT-1
    RT-2
    RT-3
    RvAUK
    SISSI
    SJR. TYK.K
    SVK
    TK/JP2
    TK/RT
    TR
    UHK
    URR
    VEsK
    VIESTIR
    VK PR
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    II/RT3
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    1899 Tula, original barrel:



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    3/UR
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    1932 Tikka M-27 in the "ski/bicycle" stock
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    Here are some pictures of stock disks that I have on file. The optics case with the brass stock disk attached is no longer in my collection. I still have all the other disks. I have a few more in my rifles with disks in my collection but no pictures at this time. Note that one of the M91's pictured is wearing it's disk on the left side of the stock. When I pulled this one out of the cardboard package it was quite a surprise.
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    700disk.jpg   rv27.jpg   new1.jpg   05disk.jpg   132A.jpg   skytag.jpg  

    Now I'm going to have to clean that rifle!!

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    1928 M27 with ski sling swivels. #28439 VK-1-TR top to bottom respectively. Sorry have not mastered pictures or stripper clips yet. John.

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    Cool photos guys!

    Question -- what is the time frame of these disks? I seem to remember something about brass being pre-war and zinc or aluminum being post-war. Am I close? TIA

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    No rifle....


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    Here are my stock unit discs, a NEW M91, a 1933 M27, and puukko knife
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    Default Stock with too many discs...

    KH,

    I think one disk is in your list, the others? I love your quizzes but they are way too hard for me. Quiz for you, the badge is real, not a toy and decades old. Can you tell me what American city it was issued in? The large crescent is a clue. The real post war disc is on a 1943 Sako M39, it covers a Finnish stock maker's mark. The brass disc is real also but never been on a rifle.

    Those rifles with intact brass discs must be rare as they were supposed to have been removed during the Finnish/Russian wars, how could they still have them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    3/UR
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    1932 Tikka M-27 in the "ski/bicycle" stock
    guitarzan

    beautiful disk! I know URR, but I missed UR. Do you or does someone know the meaning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alsky View Post
    Here are some pictures of stock disks that I have on file. The optics case with the brass stock disk attached is no longer in my collection. I still have all the other disks. I have a few more in my rifles with disks in my collection but no pictures at this time. Note that one of the M91's pictured is wearing it's disk on the left side of the stock. When I pulled this one out of the cardboard package it was quite a surprise.
    Alsky

    beautiful disk collection! Do you or does someone know the meaning of TVK. KOULU, UR and TYK.K ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruffler View Post
    No rifle....

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    KSR is also a new one for me. Do you know the meaning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprint10 View Post
    Here are my stock unit discs, a NEW M91, a 1933 M27, and puukko knife

    sprint10

    interesting disks. The one with 264 is a little blurry. Do you have a better photo and do you know the meaning of the disk. It looks like PTOR RUK? Also the "E" on the pioneer disk is interesting. What does "E" stand for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancebear View Post
    KH,

    I think one disk is in your list, the others? I love your quizzes but they are way too hard for me. Quiz for you, the badge is real, not a toy and decades old. Can you tell me what American city it was issued in? The large crescent is a clue. The real post war disc is on a 1943 Sako M39, it covers a Finnish stock maker's mark. The brass disc is real also but never been on a rifle.

    Those rifles with intact brass discs must be rare as they were supposed to have been removed during the Finnish/Russian wars, how could they still have them?

    Lancebear
    Lancebear

    now your quiz is too hard for me, I think. You mean the "Special Officer" disk? OK, United States, may be Crescent City, CA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Alsky

    beautiful disk collection! Do you or does someone know the meaning of TVK. KOULU, UR and TYK.K ?

    Regards
    I would guess that the TYK.K over JP3 is similar to my TK/JP2 stock disc. JTV gave this answer:

    About the brass disk:
    "JP 2" is definetely Jaakaripataljoona 2 = Jaeger Battalion 2, but "TK" is bit more uncertain. My best (educated) guess for it would be "Tykkikomppania" = AT-gun Company. Being ski-swivel version of infantry rifle M/27 also fits nicely to this unit type. Jaeger Battalions were bicycle infantry in summer and ski infantry in winter, so them having ski swivels certainly makes sense.

    So most likely translation:
    Rifle number 47, AT-Gun Company of Jaeger Battalion 2.
    If you notice the TYK.K over JP3 disk, it's split onto two lines. Mine is crammed on one. Different armorers in the different Jaeger battaliions coming up with their own solutions?
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    bdgfate
    That really makes sense. We just need a confirmation.
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    Did you know that pretty often the rear side of a stock disk has markings also?

    Here is one:
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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Lancebear

    now your quiz is too hard for me, I think. You mean the "Special Officer" disk? OK, United States, may be Crescent City, CA?

    Regards
    KH,

    Yes, the "Special Officer's" badge, Ha... too hard for you. The "Crescent City" is a nickname for New Orleans, Louisiana, as it is located within a large curve of the Mississippi river. The same design is used today by the New Orleans police force, except larger and not quite as ornate. I dug this badge from my backyard in the sixties as a kid in New Orleans, always played with plastic army men in the dirt. I believe it is made of coin silver or German silver.

    How do these Finnish rifles still have their brass discs? Have only seen photos, never seen one in person. Nice photos guys!

    LB

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    TVK.KOULU, could it actually be TYK.KOULU = Tykistökoulu = Artillery School
    UR = Uudenmaan Rykmentti = Uusimaa Regiment
    TYK.K = (as mentioned seems to be) (Antitank-)Gun Company
    KSR = Keski-Suomen Rykmentti = Centre Finland Regiment
    E = (usually) Esikunta = HQ

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    Karl Heinz,

    Here is a link to a thread I posted when I found that rifle. Jarkko left some good info on the Uusimaa Regiment.

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...666#post999666

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTV View Post
    TVK.KOULU, could it actually be TYK.KOULU = Tykistökoulu = Artillery School
    UR = Uudenmaan Rykmentti = Uusimaa Regiment
    TYK.K = (as mentioned seems to be) (Antitank-)Gun Company
    KSR = Keski-Suomen Rykmentti = Centre Finland Regiment
    E = (usually) Esikunta = HQ

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    Jarkko

    great information, thank you.

    Just a question: I thought Tykkikomppania was abbreviated "TK" (instead of TYK), or am I wrong?

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    Any ideas for PTOR RUK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Just a question: I thought Tykkikomppania was abbreviated "TK" (instead of TYK), or am I wrong?

    Regards
    I'm happy to help. It's possible that both abbreviations were used for antitank-gun company. Abbreaviation TK was later used for totally other type of unit(*), which might explain why it may have been replaced with TYK.K

    (*) During World War 2: TK = Torjuntakomppania = literally translated: Repulse Company, personally I prefer to call it coastal defence company or beach defence company. It was a company size formation of coastal troops intended for defensive combat and equipped with ligth cannons (20 - 47mm) and medium machineguns (water-cooled Maxim). While these seem to have established only around 1940 - 1941, the abbreaviation may have been reserved for them already earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Any ideas for PTOR RUK?
    RUK is Reserviupseerikoulu=Reserve Officer School

    My guess for PTOR is Panssarintorjunta(komppania)=Antitank (Company)

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    Here are my two:

    JP4 is on a 1928 Tikka with unreinforced nose piece

    SVK is on a 1932 Tikka with reinforced nose piece
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugelson View Post
    RUK is Reserviupseerikoulu=Reserve Officer School

    My guess for PTOR is Panssarintorjunta(komppania)=Antitank (Company)
    What ever it was, it obviously belonged to Reserve Officer School. Since it has always been one of a kind, its difficult to figure out exactly what kind of units Reserve Units might have included. But IMO PTOR likely isn't antitank-company, but there is no way to know for sure. The abbreviation for antitank has been PST (Panssarintorjunta) for ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTV View Post
    But IMO PTOR likely isn't antitank-company, but there is no way to know for sure. The abbreviation for antitank has been PST (Panssarintorjunta) for ages.

    Jarkko
    Yep. That weird abbreviation buggered me too. And I´m sure you are right about that, that it is not "panssarintorjunta". But it was all I could come up with, since I have never seen PTOR abreviation anywhere before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skywarp View Post
    Cool photos guys!

    Question -- what is the time frame of these disks? I seem to remember something about brass being pre-war and zinc or aluminum being post-war. Am I close? TIA

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    KH, sorry about the poor photo the PTOR RUK is actually PION RUK. I have no idea what the meaning of the "E" on the Pioneer disc. Regards Sprint 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Alsky

    beautiful disk collection! Do you or does someone know the meaning of TVK. KOULU, UR and TYK.K ?

    Regards

    KH

    Sorry I have never done any research on these disks. But I will take notes based on information in this thread. Thanks for posting your list.
    Now I'm going to have to clean that rifle!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprint10 View Post
    KH, sorry about the poor photo the PTOR RUK is actually PION RUK. I have no idea what the meaning of the "E" on the Pioneer disc. Regards Sprint 10
    sprint10

    thanks! May I ask you for a better photo, PLEASE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprint10 View Post
    KH, sorry about the poor photo the PTOR RUK is actually PION RUK. I have no idea what the meaning of the "E" on the Pioneer disc. Regards Sprint 10
    Ok, now it makes sense. PION RUK would the part of Reserve Officer School that trains reserve officers for Engineer Corps (Pioneerit). Nowadays its called Sappers Company of Reserve Officer School.

    As mentioned E usually refers as Esikunta (headquarters), so when used in front of unit name abbreaviation it refers to HQ of that unit.

    In this case:
    E / PION.P = Esikunta / Pioneeripataljoona = Headquarters of Engineer Battalion

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    Looks familiar,didn't know that disks could have been marked on both sides kh.

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    Come on! There must be MANY more!!
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    KH, here are some better pictures of the puukko, sorry about the delay. Regards Sprint 10
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    Very nice Puukko with a VERY nice disk. Thank you for the photos! I am a little green with envy!

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    Here is the only disc on any rifle I have, other than one that is only marked with a rack number, no unit.
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    Tennessee Military Collectors Assoc.
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    National Society, Sons of the American Revolution

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    Here are a few more disks. The two with only the rifles numbers and without the units marked are attached to captured M91's. The POHJ.R is attached to an M27.
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    Very, very nice again, Alsky!

    I remember someone had an IVÄ marked disk and posted it a long time ago. I would love to see a good photo again! Does anyone know the meaning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Did you know that pretty often the rear side of a stock disk has markings also?

    Here is one:
    KH, I did not know that. I have never removed the stock disk that I have from it's home on an M-27 so I did today.

    175 on front and 26 on the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    sprint10

    I am a little green with envy!

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    Not as much as I am. I have a few rifles with the inletting for a disk, but I have yet to find any rifles with the disk intact. I can only dream..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deros View Post
    KH, I did not know that. I have never removed the stock disk that I have from it's home on an M-27 so I did today.

    175 on front and 26 on the back.
    Deros

    this is a nice one! AA Regiment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Deros

    this is a nice one! AA Regiment!
    Sorry, but it's not. 1./TR = 1./Tampereen Rykmentti = 1st Company / Tampere Regiment (infantry). IMO it's nice anyway. Apparently the regiment existed 1918 - 1938 and was named after location of its garrison (Hennala garrison in city of Tampere).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh View Post
    Please show the disks on your rifles!!
    Here's mine..............



    KH or Jarkko any additional information you can offer on this one? My understanding is (1./PPP1)=1st company of the 1st bicycle battallion, Any location information, Thanks guys, Bill.

    By the way Sprint10 awsome Puukko!
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