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    Firearms,
    You never did comment on my posts 14 and 26.

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    Default Stock Marking

    Markings.
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    The above marking is "Yuan Wu". Yuan is most likely the first letter of a place name, such as "Yuan Jiang", "Yuan Lin", etc. "Wu" is probably short for the "Armed Forces".
    Post 14 has marking equivalent to "A" and "C". I'm not sure what that big circle marking signifys. If I were to guess, I'll say it's some kind of railroad guard but I've no proof.
    Post 26 has a bunch of little markings but none that I can decipher.

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    Thanks for trying on posts 14 and 26.
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    Not a Mauser but seeking a soul that could help with my quest about this item.

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    This appeared to be an Chinese "ink well", there were cotton or similar materials inside soak with black ink. Upone writing, just wipe the brush pen on the material to take the ink.
    The small writing on the center of the bottom- "Wang Ma Zi" - name of the maker.
    "Reward for Army 132nd Division Non-Com Officer Training"
    Center - "Skill comes from effort"
    "Division Commander Zhao Deng Yu, 24, 13"
    The Commander was the part of the notable 29th Army which encounter IJA in Macro Polo bridge. General Zhao died on 7/28/1937 as the defender of the Nanyuan Training Center.

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    Default Here's one

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    Somehow I can't see the picture.

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    Photo no worko for me, too.
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    I can't seem to get it to load, I'll try it again...
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    Default Hanyang rifle markings

    came across a couple hanyang 88 rifles with some intresting stock markings i'm hopeing ya can shed a little light on as to what the markings mean,,thanks in advance
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    Pic 1. Kweizhou Province (a province in Southwestern China) Zengan County, People’s Militia -60377

    Pic 2. Hsin County (in Henan Province) People’s Arm Forces Department, big letters in the middle – inspected. Can’t read the top

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    thats too cool! THANKS FOR THE INFO!!! wow.. there must be alot of these different markings..were these made in these provinces or just who the government issued them to? do ya know if the smaller provinces got older rifles or was it basically a luck of the draw ?? with as many chinese rifles and pistols that are out there we should get a chinese firearm forum! thanks again
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    You're most welcome. I don't' think there was a rule in terms how the arms were distributed. After Korean War, China started changing to SKS and AK type weapons and all the older weapons were retired from the first line services. They were transfered to police, militia and anyone needed arms. I've heard story about a cop using Nambu during the 90s who was killed by the bad guy because the gun jamed on him. It was a luck of draw as you said. I've also read an Internet blog about a man who was sent to inner Mongolia during Cultrue Revolution and he was issued a German Standard Modell (worn out without rifling though) and his friend was issued a Czech ZB-26.

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    here's one that followed me home
    FN Mle 30 7.9mm no date, late 1930's contract
    I bought it mainly because of the large white "FN" emblem, and the "TOGA" mark on the stock
    it also has a small "26" in a circle on the left side buttstock, near buttplate
    all parts "A" proof mark on trigger, trigger housing, rear sights
    barrel and receiver # match
    large ring, long action
    bolt is "V" or "Y" proof mark
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    I think it's not toga but 70GA - the 70th Group Army.

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    who were they, what country, and what theater ? sounds like a US Army outfit ? or possibly WWII China-India-Burma theater ?

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    Chinese. It's a 3/3/3 formation during WWII. 3 divisions to an Army, 3 Army to a Group Army. A division is somewhere around 8000-11000 men.

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    Here is the mark on my
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    Thanks for any help you may be able to offer.

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    That means "protect", sort of community watch guard kind of thing. Militia or paramilitary unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms View Post
    Chinese. It's a 3/3/3 formation during WWII. 3 divisions to an Army, 3 Army to a Group Army. A division is somewhere around 8000-11000 men.
    I find that hard to believe, because why would the Chinese put their divisional or army group status on a rifle, abbreviated in English language ?

    wouldn't they use Chinese symbols for that ?

    I mean, logically, if a country marks their rifles, they'd do it in a language their own soldiers understand.

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    Thanks for the info Firearms.

    It is one I have had for some time and recently took the time to dig a few out and take some pictures. How I envy those who have the room/willingness to display everything out in the open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by locknloadnow View Post
    I find that hard to believe, because why would the Chinese put their divisional or army group status on a rifle, abbreviated in English language ?

    wouldn't they use Chinese symbols for that ?

    I mean, logically, if a country marks their rifles, they'd do it in a language their own soldiers understand.

    It's most likely a Chinese marking. Maybe some warlord chose to use western letters for his emblem.
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    It's customary back then, here are three period arm patches:



    A for Army and D for division. N means New.

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    Also, providing 80% plus of the soldiers back then were illiterate:
    軍 vs A
    師 vs D
    新 vs N
    Which one do you think would easier for them to recognize?

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    this thread is absoloutly amazing!

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    Can anyone recognise these characters on a Type 53?

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    I can only read 化 clearly,then maybe 广 and 白or 自

    Not sure if that is a 广 or not, but the other side of the stock has a clear stamp 高要县政法公安部 which might provide a clue。 高要 (now city) is in Guangdong.
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    I think it said some "fertilizer factory"

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    Of course, it is 化肥厂。


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    Ok, thinks are starting to make sense (maybe).

    I'm not sure that the first character is supposed to be, but I think I can see 庆 (qing). In what used to be 高要县 Gaoyao County, there is 肇庆 Zhaoqing (now city), and in that city there is 白土镇 Baitu Township (then commune).

    So, if we that the 1st part ie the top of the 总 without the 心 as something written wrongly and if we take the 2nd character as 庆, then it makes some kind of sense with a bit of imagination. (肇)庆化肥厂白(土) (Zhao)qing huafeichang Bai(tu). There is still a fertiliser industry in this area today.

    Maybe this indicates 'ownership' by the Zhaoqing fertilizer factory 单位 work unit, which formed part of the militia or public security in the Baitu Commune? That's as far as my imagination goes.


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    Firearms where did you get all those arm patches?

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    I have some bought in China, some from Internet post.

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    Markings are on my Hanyang Commission 88

    1) (Pic4) Set of 4 are on the receiver. Have been told 2-7-star-4. Correct? What is the meaning?
    2) (Pic1-2-3) 2 symbols in oval/circles are on the right side of the stock

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    1. Receiver marking, correct, made in April, 1938 by Hanyang(Star)
    2. Stock, Education(Train) in a circle on top.
    3. The lower circle is too faint to tell.

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    AZ, that is a really nice Hangyang 88!

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    Thanks for the info, very helpful and much appreciated

    This 88 is my 2nd Hanyang amongst several German 88s (at least 1 from all 6 different Arsenals)
    THIS Hanyang Gew 88 has many parts with 5 point star stamp.
    STAMPED MATCHING SN on Receiver-barrel-stock- hand guard-trigger- trigger parts, bolt release-mag well/trigger guard-rear band.

    Bolt stamped K6251.

    Bore pitted but good - moderately dark (NON-counter bored).
    Grooves weak-showing. Blue very good.
    Stock No repairs, splits or cracks w/light to moderate marks.
    2 large Chinese stamps in stock right side, rod

    She shows and displays very well. Not seen all that often anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms View Post
    1. Receiver marking, correct, made in April, 1938 by Hanyang(Star)
    2. Stock, Education(Train) in a circle on top.
    3. The lower circle is too faint to tell.
    Excuse my lack of knowledge but how does April 1938 come from the 2-7-4 in the Numbers on top?

    Code of some kind? is the 4 for 4th month April?

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    The republican revolution occurred in 1911(10/10/1911) in China. The first year of the Republic is 1912. To convert the China's Republic year: Julian year -1911=China's Republic year or China's Republic year+1911=Julian year.
    China does not give a name to any month so it is just 1 through 12.

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    Clear now on the yr.

    I Thank You

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms View Post
    1. Receiver marking, correct, made in April, 1938 by Hanyang(Star)
    2. Stock, Education(Train) in a circle on top.
    3. The lower circle is too faint to tell.
    Firearms, could the oblong stamp say "Nan He Min Bing", but upside-down, like the very first item on this thread?

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    Yes, after reverse it I can see that. Good eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryg View Post
    Firearms, could the oblong stamp say "Nan He Min Bing", but upside-down, like the very first item on this thread?
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    What does "Nan He Min Bing" mean?

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    AZ "Nan He Min Bing" means Nan He's People's Militia.

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    I now have the 3 areas deciphered

    It is my 2nd Hanyang and a keeper along with several German Gew88s

    My thanks to all

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryg View Post
    Firearms, could the oblong stamp say "Nan He Min Bing", but upside-down, like the very first item on this thread?
    Good spot! I think it's probably read right to left in this stamp as Henan Min Bing


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