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    Default .357 loads for a Uberti Cattleman

    I'm thinking of picking up a .357 Uberti Cattleman (1873 clone).

    I've been reloading for about 6 years now, but never for this type of revolver with so many "restrictions". (I've reload .44 mag, .45acp, .40s&w plus various rifle calibers).


    I'm confuses as to the following issues relating to the Uberti clones (true and why?)
    1) In these clones don't use HP bullets.
    2) In these clones only use normal loads (what is "normal"? anything between the min and max of the chart?)
    3) Keep lead bullets under 900fps.

    Which are better bullets to reload for this pistol?
    Hornaday lead: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tnumber=370674
    Oregon Trail lead round nose: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tnumber=198208
    Oregon Train lead Semi wad: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tnumber=214652


    Thanks for your help. I'll also post on the single action forum.

    Howard

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    Where did these "restrictions" come from?
    The Oregon Trails bullets don't lead as much as others at higher velocitys. The Hornady's have never given me very good accuracy and have leaded quite a bit in my pistols, so I don't use them.
    How many psi in a CUP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordtech View Post
    Where did these "restrictions" come from?
    The Oregon Trails bullets don't lead as much as others at higher velocitys. The Hornady's have never given me very good accuracy and have leaded quite a bit in my pistols, so I don't use them.
    These are "rules" I've come across while researching reloads for the Uberti's in .357 and 45lc. The HP restriction I saw on multiple reloading forum pages, but not being a member I couldn't question the logic. I just don't see how this pistol is any different them my Ruger Bisley-Vaq in respect to bullet loads, just strength of the load.

    Howard

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    Quote Originally Posted by blasterboy82 View Post
    These are "rules" I've come across while researching reloads
    Well, that doesn't answer my question. Did these rules come from Uberti, a powder manufacturer, White Labs or Billybob's cousin's down at the gas station? I've seen nothing that says the Uberti cattleman is weak or can't handle standard 357 Magnum loads. Why would you buy it if you think it is too weak for standard loads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordtech View Post
    Well, that doesn't answer my question. Did these rules come from Uberti, a powder manufacturer, White Labs or Billybob's cousin's down at the gas station? I've seen nothing that says the Uberti cattleman is weak or can't handle standard 357 Magnum loads. Why would you buy it if you think it is too weak for standard loads?
    You misunderstood. I did not mean to imply that its too weak to handle standard .357 magnum loads. My question concerns reloading for the pistol. I read online that it could handle "normal/standard" loads. To me that means factory loads, so I was trying to find out where that stands in the realm of the reloading world. My experience has been that factory loads are on the low end of the reloading charts. I was looking for opinions on that issue.

    I found a link answering the HP issue (from an email from Uberti). It can handle HP just fine, turns out the issue revolves around the .45LC (and not a blanket statement) the volecity might not be high enough to get reliable expansion.

    Howard

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    OK then, thanks! Every manufacturer is going to say Normal/Standard loads - safety and lawyers.
    Normal 357 Magnum loads are any load you'll find in published data by the powder manufacturers. I think you'll find that they're hot enough. SAAMI spec max is 35,000 psi http://www.handloads.com/misc/saami.htm and you'll find loads for Hodgdon, Winchester, and IMR powders approaching 35,000 psi and 43,000 CUP at the Hodgdon website. Other powder manufacturers also list data but Alliant (Unique, Bullseye, Blue Dot, etc)doesn't give pressures. They will however being under SAAMI max. Loading for Oregon Trails bullets that you asked about you'll be able to achieve 1100 fps and not have leading problems.
    http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
    http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...aspx?gtypeid=1
    Just stay within the powder manufactures recommendations and you'll be safe.
    You may want to load wad-cutters at starting velocities for fun, easy plinking. Or use some "Cowboy" CAS loads for the same soft recoil for long range sessions or plinking.
    Hope you enjoy the Cattleman.
    How many psi in a CUP?

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    I guess you could always make a trial run of several different brands of bullets and powders (within the velocities you intend to shoot at) if you are in the financial mean to do so. If it don't work out so well, then you have plenty of fodder for the paper targets or whatever else you can put up at the range.

    -Thomas

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    One last question. When reloading mild/light loads, do I need to add any wadding to keep the powder to the end of the cartridge? I've never reloaded to the lower end of the chart.

    Howard

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    If I can shoot 200gr LRNFP from my .44Mag/.44Spl Henry Big Boy w/5.5gr of American Select, then you should be able to shoot whatever without any wadding or filler. Besides that, I have never seen any real evidence that suggests a shooter will get wildly varying velocities from having variations in where the powder sits in the cartridge when fired.

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    Light loads and powder position in the case can cause problems. For those that have never seen any discusion or "proof", I offer this wisdom. http://www.reloadammo.com/liteload.htm. http://www.reloadammo.com/rel-location.htm http://www.reloadammo.com/rel-sped.htm

    Further.. H110 is a common powder used in .357 Mag and this discusion is important http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118910 Read the warning http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp


    Simple and best solution is just use a good solid 38 spl load in a 38 spl case when you want a light load for a firearm chambered in 357 Mag.

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    For light loads I use Trail Boss in 357 cases, which are preferable than 38 cases in a 357 chamber ( the end of the chamber tends to collect lead when using lead bullets in 38 cases and this leads to decreased accurracy and chambering problems. Cleaning it out cures it for a few rounds, but it comes right back).
    Trail Boss is very bulky and was developed for light loads in handguns to avoid double charging, prevent powder position relative to primer problems, and mainly for CAS shooting where people like little pop loads. You can't double charge with Trail Boss as it will fill the case and spill all over. It also has no sensitivity to position relative to the primer in light loads. It is bulky but not dense or heavy (it's donuts, hollow in the middle to increase bulk without weight) so it seams expensive as sold in 10oz bottles, but it loads as many rounds as a pound of many other popular powders. Data for it is available in the Hodgdon IMR data guide at www.hodgdon.com.
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