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    12/22/16 update
    since 6-15-10 here is loosley what i have found. I'm going to post serials as i have them. If you see your rifles serial on her and do not wish to have it posted i will remove the last threee digits for you.


    1936 tula m91-30:

    1363
    2235 (hex)
    8992
    02458 (trials rifle)
    02845 (trials rifle)
    15537
    21830
    25491
    28926(hex)
    34949(hex)
    41155 (hex)
    94667 (hex)
    101378 (hex)
    103667(hex receiver)
    162466
    215654
    215737
    215984
    216378
    217094
    217236
    217333
    218086
    218118
    218310
    219803
    219861
    221676
    226414
    226638
    227400
    227629
    228095
    230571
    233843
    234454
    252454
    392265

    1936-7 tula


    1144
    2257

    1936 izhevsk m91-30

    10964
    33828
    33968
    102801
    109102
    118924
    119974
    125892
    131551
    136628
    138352
    141690
    142210
    153058
    154194
    157786
    164960
    165364
    16899x
    170195
    170585
    172231
    172442
    175122
    176296
    177332
    177752
    182412
    182601
    182596
    185110
    185667
    187064
    187231
    194484
    196782
    197346
    198201

    1937 tula m91-30


    5385
    5273
    7006
    7355
    8992
    9670
    10807
    12562
    13391
    16735
    17001
    18966
    20797
    21931
    26629
    31278
    39886
    43070
    57311
    61557
    97019
    110455
    112050
    115848
    118364
    120807
    96xxxx

    1937 izhevsk m91-30

    1468
    4186
    4921
    5137
    6752
    7907
    10964
    13046
    14104
    15122
    11829
    20911
    24099
    25658
    111027
    120291
    123650
    147272
    147661156214
    158625
    165xxx
    165826
    176298
    177301
    178705









    I thought i would be a good idea for SCW Mosin Nagant owners to post the year, maker, and features of their rifles in this thread to help us develop a sense of what variations known, and unkown are out there. Pictures are always helpful. I own one. Its features are as follows. Walnut stock, Spanish replacement hand guard, MADE IN USSR stamp, Wire sling hangers, MP8 stock cartouche, Replacement Welded on blade style front sight. Barrel dated 1936 Tula Serial # 233843 on the barrel. No other serials match. Pics to follow. I will keep records of known examples for our research and reference (if thats ok with you guys).
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    I look forward to learning more about the "variants" of these rifles! Mine appears to have a lighter colored hemlock stock unlike the darker & "dingy" colored ones like many of the very unsightly ones I have seen
    offered in the Coeur d Alene store in north Idaho! If this one with it's arsenal refinished state & clean barrel proves to be as accurate as some owned by my friends...I will bag my next elk or deer with it! I love to
    use vintage firearms as a "challenge" to harvest big game! The 7.62x54R is nearly identical to a .308 win with the same size bullet in a ballistic challenge & my 1981 Win .308 xtr has harvested more meat than my
    1979 Win 30-30! My eye sight is not as well as it was 20 yrs ago...but we shall see how well I do this weekend! (I harvested my last Elk with the aid of a 3x9x44mil Simmons scope) mounted on my model 70!

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    At one point I owned two SCW rifles.

    1. 1936 Izhevsk arsenal m91/30 sn#153058 all parts arsenal and sn matched except bolt which is tula stamped and sn#157048. Made in USSR marked. Hand guard (no endcaps) and stock set is color matched perfectly and the stock has a number of Soviet cartouches. Globe front sight, no sling and no cleaning rod.

















    2. 1937 Tula arsenal m91/30 sn#120037 all parts arsenal and sn matched except for a force matched (037) bolt. Made in USSR marked. Hand guard (copper? endcaps) and stock set is color matched perfectly and the stock has a "Tula Star over 1937" cartouche. Globe front sight, leather sling suspended from thick wire hangers, and cleaning rod.













    Hope this information furthers our understanding and appreciation of these fascinating Mosin rifles.

    Tim
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    Thanks. This information will be put to good use. When I have enough examples written down I am going to transfer them to a word document and share them with everyone who participates. Maybe then we can start looking for patterns and gain a better understanding of what was used.
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    Here is a 1899 Tula M91. This one covers two holes in my Mosin collection. #1, A rifle made before 1900 and #2, A Spainish Civil War rifle.










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    I think I have to bump this to keep the link alive......
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    Hey Mat,

    Sorry I haven't posted my rifle's information.

    1937 Tula #5273 M91/30
    Matching receiver marked "Made in USSR"
    Blade front sight with no spacer, in the white
    Spanish plain cylinder end cleanin' rod, in the white
    Stock is a Tula, star cartouche on right
    Very faint ghost of an MP8 mark maybe
    Looks like an original brass ended HG, matches the stock finish and color
    Very nice stock has been lightly sanded and shellaced
    All matching rifle cept bolt, over ninety percent original bluing
    Non-matching Izhevsk bolt of the period
    Bore is near fine and barrel has bright crown
    "P.A.G.E." is stamped in the butt under the plate. Tom Page was a Black American communist volunteer.
    No import marking, cept' "Made in USSR"

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    Lance, What was the year?
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    Still trying to keep the thread going. I have seen quite a few SCWs around but I think the link keeps getting broken up
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    ill play

    1896 sestroyetsk m91
    1896 sesty receiver
    serial #50793
    made in ussr marked

    and

    1935 tula 91/30
    1935 tula receiver
    serial #1335
    made in ussr marked
    I'd rather be right than politically correct.
    looking for PU scopes #b07850, A89721 and PEM #b27948, i have its rifle,

    check out the pics of my GECO 1929 tula sniper, 1895 winchester russian contract rifle in 762x54, Remington mosin cadet trainer with 03 lug, New England Westinghouse cadet rifle with US property stamps, 1927 izhvesk dragoon , 1929 izhvesk dragoon, instructie 91/30 rifle, m24 lotta , triple scope number pu sniper and others in my albums

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    I picked up a 1936 Izhevsk arsenal m91/30 sn#187064 all macthing numbers it does not MP8 mark on the stock. The Made in USSR is on the rear sight base. Shots very good. bore is very good not counter bored.

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    Here is one I just picked up this past weekend -

    A 1936 Tula arsenal m91/30 sn#219803. Parts are arsenal matched and the floor plate and butt plate match themselves (sn#41893), but, not the receiver. The is Tula stamped, but, is mismatched with sn#129993. No import marks as all. Hand guard with endcaps (brass?) and stock set is color- and wear-matched. Cannot see any Tula stock cartouches or any other markings for that matter. May be because the surface is so beaten up and slathered with shellac. Globe front sight, no sling (but the front wire hanger is still present), and no cleaning rod.







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    Mat!,

    I added the year, duh....

    LB

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    Mat! I recently aquired a 1936 Izhevsk,original bluing with prewar stock, complete mismatch, a flattened cleaning rod and non-import marked, serial #172442, do I get to play? .



    Pulled the buttplate and added this pic per Lancebeer's information



    better pic.s later.
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    Here's a few pics for your survey mat!. The Tula had a front wire hanger, but it broke when I took it off to clean the rifle. The Izhevsk didn't come with a cleaning rod (donated by JimMinardi, thanks again), and moderater Ase V. stated he has a M24 with a similar handguard as shown.
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    The Tula's bolt does not match, but the entire rifle parts are Tula stamped. Details of the replacement cross bolt nut and broken wire hanger
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    The Izhevsk has a replacemnt handguard and front sight. the sight seems to be from early '30s that used the Panshin bayo.

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    Denny our Izhevsk Serial numbers are about 5000 apart yours is a 37 mine a 36, looks like we would be pretty high and low on the serial ranges for the respective years/dates.

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    I came into what is believed to be a SCW 91/30 a few years back. I posted the rifle here, and someone with knowledge indicated that they thought it was one. It is a 1936 Tula, which is a prime candidate. it does not have SCW sling wires, stock bombs, "Made in USSR" (or URRS) or other obvious identifiers, but it does have a blade type front sight replacement which is the feature that was recognized as a blade type commonly seen on SCW specimens. It is almost all matching, only the bolt is non-matching. Except for the bolt, all other parts (except the replacement front sight and the missing cleaning rod) are Tula marked; barrel, floorplate, and buttplate are serial numbered 227629; and since the buttplate matches the barrel and the stock has a Tula star cartouche and is dated 1936, it is highly likely to be the original stock. Oh, if only the bolt were original
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    Recap:
    1936 Tula
    Ser. # 227629
    Matching barrel, floorplate and buttplate
    Bolt non-matching (176622) and bolt is mixed Tula and Izhevsk parts
    No importer marks, including "Made in USSR"
    No sling swivel wires or SCW stock cartouches
    Post and globe replaced with blade style front sight
    EEG

    Looking for these MN floorplates:

    WTT+$ or WTB

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    Wow! Nice rifles out there guys! Everyone gets to join in who has a suspected SCW no matter what the type. I'm really excited about the 36' 37' 91/30s. I think we have already seen that at least 3 Tulas are within the thousands of one another serial range wise. Maybe with more examples we will notice the same thing with the Izhevesks as well. Obviously there are some m 91s involved here as well. What do you think would be the best way to categorize them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mat!_SW View Post
    Wow! Nice rifles out there guys! Everyone gets to join in who has a suspected SCW no matter what the type. I'm really excited about the 36' 37' 91/30s. I think we have already seen that at least 3 Tulas are within the thousands of one another serial range wise. Maybe with more examples we will notice the same thing with the Izhevesks as well. Obviously there are some m 91s involved here as well. What do you think would be the best way to categorize them?
    I saw your other post and looked threw my 91/30's and found I have a 1936 Tula with a s/n close to yours. It has a wire hanger on it but no import marks. I thought the hanger was added by the previous owner and I had thought about removing it and throwing it away. Good thing I leave my c&r's the way I got them! I don't remember when I bought it or from where but I haven't purchased any 91/30's in a few years. The flash made the stock and metal look shiney in the pictures but it is kinda dark like yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying2275 View Post
    I saw your other post and looked threw my 91/30's and found I have a 1936 Tula with a s/n close to yours. It has a wire hanger on it but no import marks. I thought the hanger was added by the previous owner and I had thought about removing it and throwing it away. Good thing I leave my c&r's the way I got them! I don't remember when I bought it or from where but I haven't purchased any 91/30's in a few years. The flash made the stock and metal look shiney in the pictures but it is kinda dark like yours.

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    It would make sense that it would be an SCW based on serials and the wire hanger which adds to this providence. It falls between a 215xxx serial that I have recorded, but do not yet have permission to post yet and Tims 219803 both 36' Tulas. I'm gonna go with a yes (SCW) on this based on my findings thus far. Thanks for posting and keep your eyes peeled for those SCWs! Keep em coming guys!
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    Btw Flying2275, yours and Tims are only 1685 apart!
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    Here was the thread that spawned this survey. Its worth a read. http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...een-in-the-war
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    Another one for your database:

    1937 Izhevsk M91/30
    Original Izhevsk stock w/arsenal cartouche, replacement all wood handguard, handguard wood type unknown. Other than unmarked cleaning rod, all metal is Izhevsk. No matching between barrel shank, magazine and bolt, buttplate absent. No import mark, no made in USSR stamp, no MP8 flaming bomb cartouche. Post and globe front sight.

    Barrel Shank:111027
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    1936 Tula
    serial # 226638, mismatched bolt #138727
    Short blade front sight.
    modified Mauser cleaning rod.

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    Sweetness lite-box, that fits the mold for 36 Tulas thus far. Got any pics?
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    #237262 Don't hve a picture of the bolt handy. Will try to get that later.

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    Thank you! Any reccomendations on categorizing m-91s?
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    Boats, not to be rude, but I think you missed the point of this thread. SCW stands for Spanish Civil War. SCW rifles include m-91 rifles and Dragoon rifles, 1936-1938 m-91/30 rifles. Most Spanish Civil war rifles have features that define them as such. Check out these links: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareSCWM9130s.htm

    http://www.mosinnagant.net/ussr/mosi...t_markings.asp

    On the other hand, I have an m 38 very similar to that one.
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    MN-91/30, Tula 1937, with wire hanger in rear sling hole. Sr. # 186090, bbl and bolt matching numbered, trigger guard and butt plate do not match, has standard soviet front sight, cleaning rod is Tikka marked. SCW rifle? DM

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    Default SCW 1931 Dragoon Izhevsk

    Built: 1931 Izhevsk
    Model: Dragoon
    S/N:29730
    Bolt#:170110
    Floor Plate #:191865
    ButtPlate#:128275
    Made in USSR Stamp







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    Nagantfever27! Welcome aboard glad to see you made it over here. You should post that in the collectors forums. I think a lot of folks would like to see it.
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    My turn!
    1. 1894 Sestroryetsk M91
    SN 33923
    Complete mis-match
    No "made in USSR" stamp, but stock has MP8 stamp

    2. 1924 Tula Dragoon
    SN 4690
    Floor plate matches, but nothing else
    Made in USSR stamp on receiver top
    Spanish cleaning rod

    3. 1936 Tula 91/30 (1935 Tula receiver)
    SN 1363
    Floor and butt plates match, not bolt
    1936 Tula stock
    Made in USSR stamp on receiver top

    4. 1936 Tula 91/30
    SN 217094
    Complete mis-match
    Stock may be Spanish
    Made in USSR stamped on receiver top
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    azdoug! Nice. You've got some good ones. Thank you for contributing! 1936 Tulas are what I have recorded the most of flying2275's rifle is just over 1000 away from yours!
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    SCW 1937 Izhevsk M91/30 #123650 USSR stamped no matching #'s has a tall blade front sight .

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ID:	418499I have a candidate. A 1936 Tula m1891/30 #218086, all matching.
    Globe front sight, rear sight without pins
    cleaning rod typical soviet pattern
    97% original blue
    Bore strong, rifling with light frost, not counterbored
    Stock and handguard color match and have wear consistent with age, handguard has brass endcaps. Stock has reddish finish typical of the period. No evidence of sanding. A Tula star/1936 date is on the buttstock, and stamp of 3a within a circle is also present on the right buttstock. No other stamps were noted.
    No import stamps present on metal

    CHP590
    Last edited by CHP590; 04-06-2011 at 05:36 PM. Reason: new pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHP590 View Post
    I have a candidate. A 1936 Tula m1891/30 #218086, all matching.
    Globe front sight, rear sight without pins
    cleaning rod typical soviet pattern
    97% original blue
    Bore strong, rifling with light frost, not counterbored
    Stock and handguard color match and have wear consistent with age, handguard has brass endcaps. Stock has reddish finish typical of the period. No evidence of sanding. A Tula star/1936 date is on the buttstock, and stamp of 3a within a circle is also present on the right buttstock. No other stamps were noted.
    No import stamps present on metal

    CHP590
    Your rifle is less than 100 away from a known example. I'd really like to see some pics to confirm it, and check for other features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHP590 View Post
    I have a candidate. A 1936 Tula m1891/30 #218086, all matching.
    Globe front sight, rear sight without pins
    cleaning rod typical soviet pattern
    97% original blue
    Bore strong, rifling with light frost, not counterbored
    Stock and handguard color match and have wear consistent with age, handguard has brass endcaps. Stock has reddish finish typical of the period. No evidence of sanding. A Tula star/1936 date is on the buttstock, and stamp of 3a within a circle is also present on the right buttstock. No other stamps were noted.
    No import stamps present on metal

    CHP590
    Wow your SCW's S/N is only 32 from mine! Could you please post some pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying2275 View Post
    Wow your SCW's S/N is only 32 from mine! Could you please post some pics?
    That guys only made 4 posts since 2008 I'm not adding it unless I can see it. I Pmed him about details too, so I'm not sure what the deal is. It would be nice to know if that rifle existed or not.........
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    Hold your horses mister. I sent you an e-mail through the boards describing my rifle and the circumstances of where I bought it. If the details are lost in cyberspace, then flying2275 should have them. I PM'd him a similar description shortly after his most recent post. I also mentioned that I don't have a digital camera, nor do I know anyone who owns one that I can borrow. When I am able to take a few pictures, then I will post them.

    Thanks and have a nice day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHP590 View Post
    Hold your horses mister. I sent you an e-mail through the boards describing my rifle and the circumstances of where I bought it. If the details are lost in cyberspace, then flying2275 should have them. I PM'd him a similar description shortly after his most recent post. I also mentioned that I don't have a digital camera, nor do I know anyone who owns one that I can borrow. When I am able to take a few pictures, then I will post them.

    Thanks and have a nice day...
    On CHP590 behalf he did send me a email about his rifle. He sent it on March 31 at 4:08pm. Here is that message.

    Quote Originally Posted by CHP590 View Post
    Hi.
    As soon as I buy a digital camera, or borrow one and figure out how to post pictures, we can all decide whether my rifle is an SCW mosin. As background, I bought it at a Dallas gunshow in 1982, maybe 1983. It had a Chinese SKS sling and an outrageous for the time price of $75. Most m1891/30s in the TX-OK area were around $25. By the end of the day, the guy wouldn't budge on the price, but he did throw in a bayonet. And two weeks later I sold the sling to another collector for $25.
    For a number of years fellow collectors have debated the rifle's history, most leaning to end of war Germany or Soviet military aid to North Korea, but after finding the SCW survey here, an SCW history seems more likely. Hopefully, by next week I'll have a camera and can post pics.

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    Yep, I recieved his message AFTER I posted that. Sorry to sound so negative. I can't wait to see it, especially with it being so close to your rifle by serial!
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    NEW pics are up. Please see thread #35.

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    Nice one CHP590! Because its so close in serial # and in original configuration, with no import marks I'm going to vote yes!
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    Default Progress. Keep EM' Coming!

    Since 6-15-10 Here is loosley what I have found. I'm going to post serials as I have them. If you see your rifles serial on her and do not wish to have it posted I will remove the last threee digits for you.


    1936 Tula m91-30:

    1363
    21830
    28926(hex)
    34949(hex)
    94xxx
    103667(hex reciever)
    215737
    215984
    217094
    218086
    218118
    219803
    226638
    227629
    233843
    234454

    1936 Izhevsk m91-30

    33968
    153058
    172442
    177332
    182596
    187064

    1937 Tula m91-30

    5273
    8992
    10807
    18966
    120807
    96xxxx


    1937 Izhevsk m91-30

    4921
    24099
    111027
    120291
    123650
    147272
    156xxx
    165xxx
    165826
    177301
    178705
    Last edited by mat!_SW; 01-07-2013 at 01:42 PM. Reason: 01/01/13 update
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    I have also recorded 6-m91s various arsenals and dates, 2 dragoons a 1920 Tula, and a 1931 Izhevsk and one 1935 Tula 91/30.
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