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    Question Yugo reworks of WWII k98k German rifles

    As the Yugo reworks were done by a variety of shops/arsenals, I'd like to see information such as serial#, shop responsible, and other unique features of any particular rifle, for future reference of the users of these forums.

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    It should go without saying that I'm interested.

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    Any source of information is a plus. Especially with the growing amount of Yugo firearms that are being collected. We would all like to have more information readilly available.

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    I think it would be of benefit to the Yugo collectors. Photo's of the factory stamp would be a plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMann View Post
    Any source of information is a plus. Especially with the growing amount of Yugo firearms that are being collected. We would all like to have more information readily available.
    It's not so much the "amount of Yugo firearms..." Actually, there are fewer Yugo arms available than ever before. It's just that, in the main, they are only now coming to be considered as "collectible."

    There are two forces at work. First of all, just about every other milsurp variety has been broken down into degrees of collectibility and prices have risen to uncomfortable levels among them. Yugos of all variety are still relatively inexpensive.
    The second thing is that, largely as a result of the first, people are only now beginning to accept that Yugo arms even can be "collectible" and that there are differences with degrees of availability or 'rarity.' Really, it's still too early to use the word "rare" as in describing some other types of arms. Many still cannot yet conceive that there is anything about any Yugoslav rifle that can be described as 'rare' as in something you want, and are willing to pay a premium for, above others.

    But it's starting to show on the auction sites. Patience can still snag you a bargain priced Radionitsa 124, 145 or a VR(TR?)69 but now as often as not, there can be a couple folks pushing up the price of one or another. Another result of this is that the price of original variations of the model 1924 are rising sharply. I recently 'overpaid' for a model 1924 type two carbine but doubt it will be long before 'current market value' meets and surpasses my price.

    With the amazing variety of variations among the Yugoslav rifles, it will be interesting to see how they settle into zones of "collectibility." Another thing to consider is that we may see a sharp contest to own post WWII refurbs that once/still are sneered at as being "post war refurbs." At least I believe most no longer consider them as "cheap commie guns" only fit for sporterizing.
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    What are you talking about Nug? Dont mislead people... all Yugos are the same and no one should pay more than 150 dollars for any Yugo rifle... especially if it means it hangs around long enough for me to snag it!

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    Well said, Jim.

    I think that a look down the barrel of an average refurb 24/47 is more likely to draw wide, unbelieving looks of , "Oh my goodness, it looks mint!" It warms my heart to see rising interest in these rifles. I think they're still a fantastic value and every bit as desirable as most other milsurps. You know how I feel about pre-invasion Yugoslav rifles, though...

    I think a sticky for shop variations would be a great idea, I'm all for it. That's how the participants of a hobby learn and share info. About a year or so ago, I tried to get interest going (and prod Tuco and Vic) for a Balkans Weapons Forum, with Yugoslav rifles as a center piece of that. It got shot down because Yugoslav Mausers were already being discussed in this forum. Oh well. A sticky would be a great jump-off point for something like that, if it could ever come to pass.

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    A Balkan Weapons Thread would be the right place to post this.


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    ohhh-kay. Help me out here...
    Old Kingdom of Serbia double headed Eagle. Krajalina- Kingdom- Of what? Not Serbia-

    Artillery Technical Institute but not Kragujevac-
    Similar to "workshop" but not exactly the same?

    Further enlightenment please?
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    Kragujevac, the Artillery Technical Depot (Zabod), I think. I don't think its the 'Radionica' we are familiar with, appears to be a slightly different name. Very cool pic! Any idea of the year that was taken? Thanks for sharing, by the way.
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    Old postcard is from the Zastava website...I wish I had the real thing. Apparently it is the entrance to a new "worker colony" at Kragujevac finished in 1938.

    http://www.zastava-arms.co.rs/cms/index.php?id=319

    After closer inspection, I believe the word which is reminding us of Radionica is probably something like the adjective form... making it literally say "workshop colony"
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    Thanks for the stickie! I hope it proves worthy.

    Anent the old worker colony pic, I got a reply back from Branko-
    "This is a Settlement where the workers of Artillery Technical Institute (or Military Technical Institute) in Kragujevac lived. It was called ''workers' colony.' It was built in English style together with a factory, in 1928 (remember Belgian license?). Above the entrance gate is the inscription ''Workers Colony of Artillery-Technical Institute''. The photo was scanned from my book ''History of Zastava Arms (Military-Tehchnical Insitute) in Kragujevac."

    Concerning the history on the Zastava website, if you didn't know, Branko wrote that too.
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    Keep 'em separate, I'd say.
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    as Crests have been covered in another
    It would help though, if a link were provided on this site to the "Crests site".

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    TMann, it's in the stickies just below the thread you are reading now. If you can't find it use this link:

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...I)-crest-study


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    Here's my purple Yugo K98. It's P44 marked and is numbers matching; receiver, bolt, mag floorplate and stock. There's a number 11 stamped on the H-band and on the mag follower. I don't think it's had a round fired as there are no drag marks on the follower or feed ramp. The bore is new.
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    Here's my Radionica 145 Mod98/48

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    Here's my T.R. 69

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    Here is my V.R. 69 Mod.98/48
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    Here some pictures of my yugo k98 with original bayonet that came with the gun.
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    her totenkopf,

    thanks for posting. whats the refurb mark on yours?

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    It's just a regular old Perduzece 44. I haven't been able to find any thing else except a bunch of waffen marks with swasticas. The bore is like brand new when I got it, it still looks brand new I'd take a yugo k98 anyday over a rc mauser I think the of better quality. I only payed $200 for my yugo it came with original sling, clean rod an bayonet an original bayonet frog an G43 magazine pouch. It's a shame there not as collectible as other mausers but that means more for us lol. I think we need are own yugo form on here. I would like to get another yugo k98 I just think there so amazing.
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    Heres my 5550 Pred 44 with a Yugoslavian made Walnut stock W/Cupped buttplate

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    Default PRED 44 W/ k98az Bolt

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    A german made Walnut stock that was refurbished twice by the Yugoslavs

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    Neat one, John! I sold a Soviet-capture K98k that had the same kind of bolt.

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    Here's my K98 Yugo I just bought off Gun Brokers, it has several little eagle inspection stamps and what looks like an eagle over the H on the stock. I cleaned a ton of cosmoline off it with mineral spirits and put 4 coats BLO on the laminate stock, bore is nice and bright and should be a good shooter. It also had a little front sight cover that looks like a cleaning rod guide, has a little spring cover on it.Click image for larger version. 

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    Does it have a Yugo factory code on the receiver?

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    It's a Preduzece 44.
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    Here's mine. German stock with cupped stock w "H" and ampts. SN 5712. Added a cleaning rod and sight hood. A bit of a "patina" but bore is very good and she shoots great. Lots of waffenampts on various parts. "7" stamped on barrel and bottom of stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikester View Post
    What exactly is that? It's a Preduzece 44.
    The "Preduzece 44" is a factory code and refers to the the Zastava factory at Kragujevac, Serbia. This appears to be the most common refurb mark on the K98 refurbs, but others pop up from time to time. These include: Radionica 124, Radionica 145, VR69, TRZ5... the location of these others is not known for sure, but TRZ5 also refurbed M24/47s and a frequent poster here has published work linking this refurb mark to a small refurb shop in a town called Hadicizi, in Bosnia.

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    I'm gonna have to dig mine out, grandfather brought it home close to 10 years ago,think he paid less then 120 bucks for it,I remember it took me two cans of gun scrubber and a trip to the mineral tank to clean the bolt outta the cosmo that was in there, after all this time I still get grease outta it sometimes on a hot day or heat the gun up. I call it it 'blondie' here she is with my 590.

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    I thought only M48's had full length hand guards? Or did the Yugo's put those on some K98s too?

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    Have a Yugo captured k98 that didn't get its crest, thank goodness. Still has all german markings. Much better than Russian capture.

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    This thread has gone disturbingly off course. First its an M48 and now its a K98 that mutated into a shotgun.

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    A simple case of the poster not understanding the thread. This is where a moderator needs to police these stickies. More to the point, the thread starter should contact a mod about it.
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    Here are two I've had for awhile but haven't shown much of. They're both in German stocks, and have lots of original numbered parts and surviving WaAs.



    One of them went through the Radionica 145 facility, and has the triangular mark alot of people mistake for an Iraqui 'jeem' mark on the left side of the receiver. Note the Serbian Cyrillic letter stamped on the cross-bolt of this K98.


    It also has the less commonly seen '98/48' marking:


    The second one is one of the 'W' prefixed rifles, characterized by the lack of scrubbing of original German factory codes. What sets these apart is that they appear to have been retained deliberately, and are distinct from ones that were incompletely scrubbed, and were then stamped with the Communist seal. There are many of the latter around, but the 'W' rifles seem to be a breed apart:

    This one's receiver was made by ERMA:


    They're both excellent shooters with fantastic bores and slick actions

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    Very interesting !

    After Pat posted his non-scrubbed Yugo K98 I went and had a look
    at my non-scrubbed Yugo K98. I had not really focused on it before,
    but this rifle also has a W prefix on the serial.

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    Another one!
    There's definitely something to those 'W' prefixes; every one I've seen has a non-scrubbed receiver, and every non-scrubbed receiver I've seen has been a 'W' prefixed rifle. I'd imagine there are exceptions out there (assumption), but I haven't seen any yet.

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    Ok I'll play. Nothing special as far as I know. The Yugo's missed a few Nazi shitbirds here and there on small parts. Other than that it's scrubbed and restamped. It's my first of four K98's. Bought it in the summer of 2010 for $400. I was told by the local shop that the former range master owned it and it was being sold as part of his estate liquidation (or at least his gun collection). Typical story I suppose. I hope my next of kin is not so eager to sell all my stuff off. At the time I was desperate to get my hands on a K98. My first and only kid (so far) was about ready to be born and K98's are scarce in the central valley, CA. Internally she was caked in cosmoline which I removed. I did not know what I had at the time and figured I was paying a little too much, maybe I did. Overall she's got a better bore than the 2 Russian Caps. I've gotten since. Bright with "frost" I think they call it. Mismatched parts, but a nice looking wall hanger if nothing else.

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    Have you seen very many of these "W" Yugo non-scrub K98's ?

    I also have another Yugo "W" rifle. It's a bald receiver VZ 24/52.

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    Another one!
    There's definitely something to those 'W' prefixes; every one I've seen has a non-scrubbed receiver, and every non-scrubbed receiver I've seen has been a 'W' prefixed rifle. I'd imagine there are exceptions out there (assumption), but I haven't seen any yet.

    GREAT rifle DocXRing, thanks for sharing!
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    Nice rifle, 7.62!

    Doc, I've only seen this pattern on 'W' prefix K98s, not other Yugoslav refurbs. Of those, I think I've seen less than ten, all in that pattern.
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    Hello, I am new to the forum and find this a very interesting thread. While attempting to learn the history of Yugo 98 reworks, I have found no reference to barrel proof marks on these rifles. Here is my Yugo mod 98/48 Pred.44 barrel stamps located behind the rear sight. More pics of this in my album. All the best AlrekrClick image for larger version. 

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    There were Yugo mods to K98k's prior to the clone of 24/47 etc. appeared. These are perhaps unique and should be considered differently from the clones. I have one and I will post it's description for comparison with the others. John Wall could comment on these prior mods.
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    I picked up one of these off GB, really happy with it.. The bore is like new and stock, receiver, bolt and magazine numbers match..









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    Quote Originally Posted by Subvet View Post
    There were Yugo mods to K98k's prior to the clone of 24/47 etc. appeared. These are perhaps unique and should be considered differently from the clones. I have one and I will post it's description for comparison with the others. John Wall could comment on these prior mods.
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    I ain't in John's league by any stretch of the imagination but, perchance I focus more on these than John does. In any case.

    The German models 98 in Yugoslav possession in 1946 were indeed the first rifles to undergo refurbishment. At war's end between partizan activities and Nazis destruction in pulling out, Yugoslavia's arms industry was in utter, literal ruins. The first thing they were able to do, apparently, was to manufacture barrels so they set out to fix up these M98s/K98 rifles. It is not recorded why but, I would hazard to guess they wanted to keep their model 1924s in service while refurbishing the '98s. The Communists may not have been thrilled with their Royal markings on their model 1924s but they were still the favorite rifle of old and what they were most likely set up to keep in service with what they had on hand.
    The refurbishment of the model 98s consisted of survey of the weapons and stripping for parts those rifles deemed not worth repairing. Then primary Nazi markings were stripped, the serviceable rifles on repaired as needed, (the Yugoslav's did not chuck everything into bins and go from there like the Soviets did) and finish by refinishing the rifles with bluing and oil on the stocks. It is not clear who all, what shops, were involved from the beginning.

    Are any model 98s marked "ZAVOD 44"? Off the top of my head, I am not sure. In anycase, any rifles do marked would have been reworked at Kragujevac prior to Sept. 1947 when the marking was changed to the Cyrillic form of PREDUZECE 44.

    The primary record just lists all rework shops as starting in 1945. How accurate that statement is, I do not know. I do believe TRZ.5 (Hadzici) was reworking these 98s from 1946 on as suggested by the crudeness of some markings from that shop. I have no idea of the record from other shops as they are so rare we really have no accounting for them. Some others here could likely shed more light on those than I.

    Now. In reference to the 24-47, I am do not what you mean by "clones." The 24/47 is not a 'clone' of anything. It is a refurbished model 1924 which design, some rifles and factory came from FN in the 1920s and were manufactured by Yugoslavia up to 1941. They are "intermediate length" action Mausers different and whose actions parts (mostly) will not interchange with the model 98s. These rifles were refurbished beginning in 1947 as the name suggests.

    In that the reworked model 98s are and should be considered separate and different from the model 24/47, I fully agree and imagine you would find most others here and on other boards also and already doing so.
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