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  1. #1
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    Default Zn Spandau 1917/26 Gew98 - Info Needed

    About a year ago I bought a Zn marked Spandau 1917/26 Gew98 rifle and I am trying to get more information about it. Is it considered a transitional rifle a Gew98M etc...

    It is all matching serial numbers (including the stock, handguard, triggerguard screws, cleaning rod etc...) except for the bolt which while a different number is all matching to itself.

    Any information would be great. On the bolt, I was wondering if this is the correct time period and marked bolt for this rifle?? What looks like rust on the bolt is actually grease/cosmolene.

    Lastly, what is the approximate value of this piece?? I paid what I thought was a fair price as I was trying to find a nice rifle to bridge my WWI and WWII Mauser collection.

    Thanks,
    Eric

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    more pics...

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    final pics...

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    Of all the reworked gew98's these withthe weimar style proof are the 'neatest' so to say. I honestly can't tell you what fair is - but can say to me for what it is as a bolt mismatch I would not have paid more than $300 , but myself I would not have been into a post 1918 modified gew98 for collecting purposes.
    Anyhow your bolt is from that era of salvage for reworked /refurbished gew98's so technically is proper. But I have encountered these with 'new' bolts that had the weimar style proof and such proofed bolts are scarce indeed.
    Please email directly..I don't do the PM thing !.

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    Nice rifle. I have one that was unfortunately "sporterized" by Interarms. The receiver is intact but the barrel and stock have been chopped.

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    I like it. I love all the stamps and the dings and knocks suggest to me a genuine unmessed with piece. The bolt mismatch is hardly a surprise as back in the day, the primary way to deactivate a weapon was to remove the bolt. Now, if that was done by the allies, there is no guarantee that the bolt would have ever returned to Germany. I would not sweat it.

    The big question is how does it shoot?
    Damn the expense, use your turn signals today... and as a special favour, try doing it before you have two wheels in the next lane.

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    Hatrick, this was covered not long ago, and your rifle is quite nice actually for this variation. Usually these "Zeithan" builds are real dogs, and very few anywhere near matching. I only know of two rifles better/comparable than yours.

    This particular rifle use to belong to JohnW and he traded it to KenL, - I think part of that commercial G71 "Chinese" deal. Ken got a nice haul in that deal, and this was one of the best rifles in it.

    Price is all over the map on these.. the very low end where MauserBill is and probably x2 plus for most interwar collectors. Of course if the demand ever increases for interwar rifles, you can expect this rifle to do back flips, as this rifle is far more scarce and desirable than 95% of the 98k variations.

    For some historical background, the below post is ok, - the topic is not an easy one to find good information on!

    post 18:

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...hlight=Zeithan

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    Thanks for the information and the link to the old thread where this was discussed a little bit. So in the end, what would this rifle be categorized as?? Simply an inter-war Gew98, a transitional Gew98 or a Gew98M??

    Also, do the markings on the bolt look correct to go with the rest of the rifle??

    Thanks,
    Eric


    p.s. I did get this one from Ken L.

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    I would call it both ends of your description. Not sure what a transitional Gew.98 is- transitional to what? The 98k came about from a shortened 98b.. the Gew.98M is really only a rifle with a rearsight modification/replaced to accommodate the S & sS Patrone (at first it was desirable to accommodate both rounds, later the S- Patrone was dropped), later versions (after 1929) only the sS Patrone.

    It is an interwar built Gew.98, from leftover receivers, which never were built during the war. Spandau sub-contracted with Pieper (they did a lot of war production for the Germans, bayonet and P08 parts mostly but I think possibly MG parts too..) and S&H Berlin (they too did war work, part of a massive corporation, they also mfg parts & assembled MG08/15's, grenades, etc, etc..) for Gew.98 receivers. The earliest seen are dated 1916, very few were assembled before Spandau dumped the Gew98 in favor of concentrating on MG production. Most S&H documented are seen on Hannover jobs (essentially sterngewehrs w/o the star).

    Of course it is also an upgraded Gew.98 too, but by then they weren't making anything else besides the 98b and upgraded Gew.98's.

    Your bolt is an Imperial era made bolt, probably off a DWM made rifle (imo). It is blued, and obviously went through the interwar period, so it probably came out of an Gew.98M but it is hard to say how your rifle left Zeithan. Could have used recycled bolts, but by 1926 they were also using new made parts. (image of a bolt I own, probably a Imperial era leftover too but used first in the interwar period evidenced by the fireproof)

    I only know of one bolt matching Zn and I do not have pics of the bottom bolt flat.
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