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    Default LLama Serial Number Database - Please Add Yours!

    Not much is known about the Llama serial number sequencing, so we are attempting to do a database spreadsheet. For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the "Llama" name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products. I strongly suspect that Gabilondo y Cia started a continuous one ascending number system from the point where they adopted the Llama name (early 1930s?). To start, these are some numbers I have. Please list model name/number, caliber, year code (if available) and serial number.

    "Extra" 9mm Largo - 1940 - 45680
    "Extra" 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46306
    "Extra" 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46883
    Model II - 380 ACP - 1943 - 70989
    Model I - 32 ACP - 1943 - 72994 (German GECO marked)
    Model II - 380 ACP - 1944 - 78290
    Model I - 32 ACP - 1944 - 84482
    "Extra" 9mm Largo - 1944 - 89123
    Model IIIA - 380 ACP - (don't have year handy) - 739813
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    Here's a start. I'll have to look up the .22, and I've never been sure of the exact modle of the others.

    Llama .380 1949 135417
    Llama .380 1975 651644
    Llama .380 1980 B65548
    Llama 380 1950 78574
    Llama .22 19XX 403153
    Llama .380 1942 56182
    Llama .380 1942 54699
    Llama .380 1943 71697
    Llama .32 1943 63674
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    I've started the spreadsheet.
    Here's mine.

    Llama .22LR XV 1963 3054xx
    Llama .22LR XV 1999 A004xx
    Llama .32 XA 1973 5989xx
    Llama .380 IIIA 1994 C219xx
    Llama .380 IIIA 19xx A075xx
    Llama .380 IIIA 19xx 6402xx
    Llama .380 IIIA 1970 5615xx
    Llama 9mmP XI-B 1985 8100xx
    Llama 9mmP XI-B 1986 8364xx
    Llama 9mmP XI-A 1990 9054xx
    Llama 9mmP Max1 1995 096xx-95
    Llama .40S&W XII-B 1993 C054xx
    Llama .45ACP IX-A 1989 8768xx
    Llama .45ACP IX-C 1994 C216xx
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    Hello:

    Excellent idea.


    Llama Extra - 9L - nš 24927 - 1932
    Llama Extra - 9L - nš 30258 - 1936
    Llama II - 9c - nš 60905 - 1942
    Llama II - 9c - nš 127334 - 1948
    Llama III - 9c - nš 44650 - 1940
    Llama III - 9c - nš 137720 - 1949

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    LLAMA Extra possible 1936 serial # 33041

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    Great Idea!

    "Extra" 9mm Largo - 1941 - 4829x
    Model XA .32 cal. 1951 - 1471xx

    Model XI-B 9mm Para 1986, B08930

    Model XV .22 cal. 1972, 5570xx
    Last edited by cal44; 07-05-2011 at 08:44 PM. Reason: got a new llama

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    Llama Extra 9 mm 38 , ser#27697
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    Llama Extra 9 Largo serial# 30437 no proof marks anywhere on pistol.

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    Llama .380 lllA 198x S/N 8273xx

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    Llama .380 lllA 1994 S/N C27172

    Bought new June 15, 1994 from SOG for $169.95 (wholesale) plus $6.75 shipping.
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    These babies are just too nice to turn loose. lol

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    Llama .38 super # 473241---1968
    Llama .380 # 558841---1969

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    Llama .380 IIIA 1979 8526XX

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    "Extra" 9mm Largo - 1934 - 31865

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    Hello sgtrock21:

    Can it be 1936?

    Greetings.

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    Llama Especial 38 Super Automatic 453xxx no proof marks on pistol.
    Based on original sales receipt, 1968 or older

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    Larry, how goes the spreadsheet?
    Get a copy?

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    Have a Llama VIII 38 super, date 1958, S/N 206803

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    i have a Llama 38 Super I purchased in Germany at an American rod and gun club in 1969. Serial number 443XXX.
    What is unique about this pistol is that it is chambered for 38 Super as well as the 9mm Largo. Bottom line is that as a result the cartridge will headspace on the mouth of the cartridge as well as the rim.

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    Just picked up a Llama 111-A, 570xxx. .380. Looks like it was in a time capsule from 1972.
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    LLAMA "EXTRA" 9m/m 38 serial #45349 date code LL - 1940 all proof marks present

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    to cal44: Is your 1951 .32 a X or a XA? Also does it have straight or curved fram with wood grips?
    Mine is a model XA with straight frame and wood grips (checkered).Ser " 145175 year 1950

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    Hi Phredp. I am away from the Llama right now but will fully answer you when I get it and examine it again. I know that it has wooden grips, withought the Llama medallion. It also has the lanyard ring. Quite frankly I don't know if it is X or XA. I have been having the devil's own time finding much literature on the Llama. Anyway I will get back to you as soon as I get back in town.
    Cal

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    Default Lllama Serial Numbers

    Llama Comanche 5814298 1975 (357)
    Llama Large Frame Auto 711986 1976 (9mm)
    Llama Comanche IV RA3631 1981 (44 magnum)
    Llama IX-A A22628 (45 Auto)

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    To phredp. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have come to the conclusion that my pistol is a X-A and not a X. I have read that the Model X-A had a grip safety added when production of this model began in 1954. Although mine has a date code of V (1951), it has a grip safety. It has a lanyard ring, arched mainspring housing and checkered wood grips with no Llama medallion. The serial number is 1471xx which would put it around 2000 after yours. The slide has a rounded top with no sight ramp. It did not come with a box so I have no idea how it was classified when it originally sold. I will change the designation on the database list. Whether it is a X or XA it is a beautiful little piece and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot.
    Regards, Cal44

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    Comanche .357 S 822740

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    XV 22LR 1958 211xxx
    XV 22LR 1963 383xxx
    Last edited by NZshooter; 08-02-2011 at 08:44 PM.

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    Llama Especial 541xxx, Llama IIIA no stamped serial #,Llama Micromax .32 no stamped serial #
    The .22 was imported by Stoeger in Hackensack N.J. and the .32 and .380 were imported by RSA Ent Inc in Ocean N.J.
    Are the engraved numbers on the frame the serial #'s?

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    Llama Especial 9mm/(38 Super) Automatic .sel# 476832 N *1 date 1968

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    Llama III-A 380ACP SN: 596801
    Llama Especial 22LR SN: 315035

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    Hello jamest863:

    Can you indicate the punch of the year?

    Thank you

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    I am researching a mark on my .380 Llama with serial number 6XXXX. On the right side just below the serial number is G.C in a circle. the letters are scroll. From my research, I think this is a German distributor, but I don't think it is Geco. Once site gave a differant mark for Gustav Genschow and coompany of Berlin an ammunition manufacturer who also made some rifles, mostly .22 Another site suggested that it might be the mark of the Spanish manufaturer, but that mark does not appear on most of the small frame Llamas that I have seen. I lost a gunbroker auction on a similarly marked .32 or .380, a couple months ago, but can not find it in the advanced search so it might have been longer. This particular pistol was Nazi marked and the seller gave the name of the company that the mark belonged to, but I can't remember it. The winning bid was over $900. the pistol was in beautiful shape, and I believe untouched. That being the case, I would think it very rare as it is the first I have seen. The germans "adopted" many commercial pistols to equip their military, Belgian, Polish, Italian etc., but I have never seen a commercial Llama. I got interested in the baby Llamas because they were pretty well made minature 1911s. I have a .22, a .32 (both post war) and the .380 which dates to 1942-1943. Any help on the mark would be appreciated.

    Let me know about the springs. If springs in the .32 and .380 problems as well? if so, any suggestions as to where I might pick up a couple. I won't shoot them much, but would like to get a couple of each just in case. ...my son and daughter might appreciate that when they go to sell 'emm after I'm gone. Al

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    G.C. = Gabilondo y Cia - the manufacturer in Spain that makes the Llama pistols. They used this GC monogram as a trademark in the 1940s.
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    Hello:

    Record of brand:

    1904 = GABILONDO Y COMPŠ

    1925 = GC

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    I just added this little "Especial" 22, left side of slide reads: GABILONDO y CIA-ELOBIAR (Espania) {second line} CAL.22 "LLAMA"
    Right side of slide reads: "LLAMA" ESPECIAL, serial no. just above trigger # 3277xx There doesn't seem to be any import addresses or marks with the exception of "made in Spain" stamped on both magazines and bottom of mainspring housing. Would appreciate opinion of value as I'm completely unfamiliar with Llama. I'm somewhat impressed as the little gun feels and handles well. I shot a magazine with one FTE/FTC that most likely was my fault not the gun's. Thank you.
    Last edited by swfan601; 10-25-2011 at 03:09 PM. Reason: poor grammer/punctuation

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    Quote Originally Posted by swfan601 View Post
    I just added this little "Especial" 22, left side of slide reads: GABILONDO y CIA-ELOBIAR (Espania) {second line} CAL.22 "LLAMA"
    Right side of slide reads: "LLAMA" ESPECIAL, serial no. just above trigger # 3277xx There doesn't seem to be any import addresses or marks with the exception of "made in Spain" stamped on both magazines and bottom of mainspring housing. Would appreciate opinion of value as I'm completely unfamiliar with Llama. I'm somewhat impressed as the little gun feels and handles well. I shot a magazine with one FTE/FTC that most likely was my fault not the gun's. Thank you.
    Your best bet is to search this forum for ".22" and you will get hours of reading about that popular pistol.
    Values are increasing dramatically.

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    Hi! Llama Micromax .380 serial # 589041 R*1.
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    Bill Venia Jr.

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    Hi Bill,

    Welcome to the forum!

    Does your Llama say MicroMax on it? I don't think that model came out until the 90s.
    By your date code I bet you have the III-A which is not marked anywhere on the slide.
    R*1 was made in 1973. Does your slide say "Especial" on it? Is it a locked breech
    model? (barrel has a barrel link like a 1911). That is all helpful when you look for
    parts or other information on your pistol. Just trying to help!!

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    [QUOTE=larryh1108;1922190]Hi Bill,

    Welcome to the forum!

    Does your Llama say MicroMax on it? I don't think that model came out until the 90s.
    By your date code I bet you have the III-A which is not marked anywhere on the slide.
    R*1 was made in 1973. Does your slide say "Especial" on it? Is it a locked breech
    model? (barrel has a barrel link like a 1911). That is all helpful when you look for
    parts or other information on your pistol. Just trying to help!!

    Larry
    Well Larry, Thanks so much for the help! You are correct! The gun is exactly as you said. Thanks again for the information!
    Bill

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    Have a llama model X1B 9MM parabellum 1984 S#A51805

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    Here's mine. Wish I had more!

    Llama "EXTRA" 9mm Largo, 1940, #45946.
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    LLama III-A, .380 SN: A26221, which if my information is correct would date it to 1981?

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    Llama Max-I CF 45 ACP Serial #07-04-14934- 97, built in 1997
    My first 45 and it shoots like a dream. Not even a smile on the barrel when I bought it recently.
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    Personally, I am pleased with the Max series from Llama. I am sorry it didn't keep them from going under. They are solid shooters except for the MiniMax II SC model. I've had several and the quality is suspect, at best. The one I have now may end up being a good shooter but I'm still tinkering with it. Time will tell. However, my Max I 9mm Govt size is the best 9mm shooter I have. It is solid, reliable, accurate and the weight handles the 9mm recoil like a dream. All the Max series Llamas I've owned or worked on are solid. Any Llama lover needs to have 1 in their collection, IMO.
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    FWIW

    I just bought a handful of Colt 45 Auto mags from www.Centerfiresystems.com for $6.49 each. They fit and cycle perfectly in my Max-I CF 45.
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