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    Default Rarest bayonet you own

    Enjoyed the recent thread about the Oldest bayonet, so I thought I'd take it a step further. What's the rarest bayonet you own? I'll start the ball rolling with mine, which is a Jacob Rifle bayonet, complete with leather-covered wooden scabbard.

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    For me, it's probably a more modern but uber-rare one to find within the Kalashnikov bayonet collecting community - a very early Russian M1947 "First Model" bayonet (like the old Mauser bayonets with the long blade) but with polished blade and wooden scales (side grip panels) on the handle.

    But a current, definate second "runner up" would probably be a Romanian Type II bayonet with the bakelite scabbard.

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    Great idea Gjames, this should be fun

    While a ways down the line as to my favorite, I'd say my Japanese Chassepot bayonet is my rarest.


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    I have a Model 1869 German Werder style blade that was rehilted to 1898 type in the 1914 era. Use as ersatz issue during the great war.

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    The Imperial German conversion of the French M1874 Gras rifle bayonet to fit the Gew98 and the Kar98a. This involved using the Gras bayonet's T-shaped blade making modifications to the hilt and and fitting a Mauser style pommel with TO slot. New grips were fitted as well. Mine is not in the best of condition, it appears to be a post WW1 battlefield recovery with some heavy pitting to both the scabbard and bayonet but the wood is still solid and after careful cleaning it fits a Gew98 very nicely. I have pictures but they are on a floppy disc...... *sigh*

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    ...probably my North Korean AK bayo.

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    Martini Henry Carbine sawback bayonet. next to the P07 Hooked quillion that I also have. Also the Australian Machete bayonet for the SMLE

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    This one got me wondering, as I have several "rare" blades in my collection, but it probably still comes down to my S84/98 aA mS converted from an 1888 71/84 bayonet by the addition of a new hilt, as it is the one in Carters book and is as far as I know still the only reported example, and the conversion may well account for the lack of 71/84 sawbacks. A close second would be my Saxon marked 71/84, which is rare anyway but mine is DOA marked - again may explain the lack of Saxon marked examples if they all went to Africa? But then my South African made 1907's are rare even to South African collectors and I have managed to get two different ones - would still love to get the 1913 made by them in WWII.

    More modern could be my Swedish trials FN FAL apple corer (1 of 230), but this looks just the same as all the others, it is pure providence that makes it different (Another Anthony Carter blade).

    The strangest thing is that my rarest blades did not cost as much as other more common items - Transvaal, Aussie Hooker, Paratrooper, Japanese type 100, Jacobs (though mine has a replica scabbard not a real one, as the scabbard is worth more than the blade. The other aspect of this is, is it rare because few have survived or rare because they didn't make many - a huge number of trials blades make the latter category fairly large.

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    Mines not overly rare but unusual in the fact it ticks both the trials AND the conversion boxes.
    Started out life as a P1886 trials bayonet for the Enfield-Martini rifle but was later converted in 1891 into a P1887 Mk.IV for the Martini Henry.
    Picked this one up cheaply as I always wanted to own a "trials" bayonet.! Cheers.

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    I have this bayonet that I assume is confederate issue. It has been attached to an 1863 Richmond which was passed down in the family since the end of the war. I cannot make out the markings but have not researched it that much. If there are any experts on confederate bayonets on this site, please have at it.

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    Chinese made Mauser bayonet with reproduction scabbard

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    Great Bayonets everyone! Very cool Chinese geladen.


    Quote Originally Posted by videodon View Post
    ...probably my North Korean AK bayo.
    Nice! Got any pics? I have one of those too, one of the later styles I think.... here is a photo ... mine has the serial # 0252 on the handguard, one of my favorites, and first bayonet purchases but not my rarest...
    The last two photos are of my AK with the North Korean Bayonet.

    My rarest seems to be the original unmodified 16 inch blade Wilde Toole Co 1942 M1 Garand Bayonet that my father bought for a few dollars in an Army Navy store in the 1950s.


    The first 6 photos are of the WT bayonet, the last two are of the North Korean Kalashnikov Bayonet.
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    Confederate Fayetteville Bayonet. Bill

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    Well it's not super rare but definitely hard to find; I have 2 Indian Ishapore 1A1 Bayonet; for the Indian version of the L1A1. I have both the early and later type manufacture, both in great shape but unfortunately no scabbards which seems to be the standard for these bayonets. Not entirely sure why this is so but my best guess is that since they are still in service it's hard to get them in the first place. I think IMA had a small run of them (the bayonets, not scabbards) a while back but they sold out really fast and I haven't seen them since. I got mine at an out of the way army surplus store here for like $20 each. Can't complain about that!
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    Ooh Indian Bayonets, very cool.
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    Indeed- the Indians did some very strange things to bayonets to "upgrade" them. I've also got a 1903 bayonet converted from the Metford 1888. Looks neat on the No.1 Mk.III rifles and as I understand was a favorite with Vets in WWI since it indicated prior service in the King's Army.

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    I dunno, but here's one that I never thought I would come across.

    German FG-42 Spike Bayonet



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    French Mle 1890 Gendarmerie....French Mle 1878 Pour Le Fucil 'dit' "Kropatschek"..There are others, now I have to go look at the boxes!!

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    Default Might not be the rarest...But..

    Though it may not be the rarest bay to be found, I'm kinda partial to this '07 Ross w/ the manf. & issue on the crossguard. Feels good in the hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undertaker View Post
    I have this bayonet that I assume is confederate issue. It has been attached to an 1863 Richmond which was passed down in the family since the end of the war. I cannot make out the markings but have not researched it that much. If there are any experts on confederate bayonets on this site, please have at it.

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    Undertaker, it is a British P53 bayonet. The maker's mark is at the base of the blade but like you I can not make it out. It has what appears to be an accountability number at the base of the socket that may be British. It is possible that it was Confederate issue, large numbers of P53 reifle muskets were imported by both the North and the South and they saw heavy use during the War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still-a-Marine View Post
    Confederate Fayetteville Bayonet. Bill

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    If it is a Fayetteville bayonet (and I have no reason to doubt it), it is probably the rarest bayonet in this thread. Congratulations on an amazing aquisition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undertaker View Post
    I have this bayonet that I assume is confederate issue. It has been attached to an 1863 Richmond which was passed down in the family since the end of the war. I cannot make out the markings but have not researched it that much. If there are any experts on confederate bayonets on this site, please have at it.

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    The marks I can read are for the Birmingham Small Arms Trade which would have been the inspector. (Crown over B over STA over 3 which would have been the inspector number) The R is the second initial of the maker. Since it has the BSAT mark it was not made for the British military. It was an export. Since you have he family history you can say it is for the American Civil War. Most say such but can not prove it. I don't think it would have started out as a confederate bayonet. My understanding is the BSAT did not sell to the south. But it could very likely be a captured bayonet or battlefield pickup. You have a really nice one with good family history. Congrats...

    I have an article “Enfield” Bayonets in the Civil War 1861–1865 by Graham Priest. If anybody wants a pdf copy I'll be happy to email it. Just send me a post with your email address.

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    TP Thanks. I just stumbled across it and could not pass it up. A bit pricy but you only live once. Bill

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    Madsen M58 Light Rifle.
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    Martini Metford Pattern 1893.

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    This is my rarest bayonet. There were only 190 of them made.

    Can anybody identify it?

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    I've got a few bayonets that are pretty rare. I've got a Type-35 in original Japanese issue and a Type-30 with an M-pommel that has SNs on the crossguard and side of the pommel but no Tokyo arsenal mark. My favorite of my rare bayonets is a Siamese-pommel Type-30 that happens to be a Star-K arsenal. I've been keeping track of Siamese used Type-30 bayonets, known as the Siamese Type-83, for years now. 75% are Nagoya Triangles and the rest are Tokyo bayonets with early features and flat bird's-head pommels. I've only ever seen one from any other arsenal, and that's this Star-K.
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    For the Swinford rifle/carbine? Used by the Boers. In one of my books on the Boer Wars there is a photograph of a Boer leader with one of these bayonets attached to his bandoleer. I will see if I can find the exact refernce if you like or someone here may beat me to it. My rarest bayonet is not all that rare but hard to find some times, an Austrian Werndl yataghan that I got from Albacore last year.

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    My girlfriend had two of those when she was a kid in Rhodesia both were lost playign in the garden - closest she has ever seen to me in tears

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblades View Post
    While a ways down the line as to my favorite, I'd say my Japanese Chassepot bayonet is my rarest.
    Very cool. Can you post some photos here and on the Japanese Forum so I can compare yours with mine?

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    Rarest? What I *believe* to be a Danish M1809 Hirschfanger; I need to post pics here for a positive ID. Some nice stuff cropping up in this thread!
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    You tell me, I honestly don't know:
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    As for me,a 1905 bayonet is the rarest bayonet I own.......it has only 4-digit,which means it is the very earlyest 1905 bayonet produced by SA . I have never seen a number on 1905 bayonet lower than mine.The condition of the bayonet is sill intact!
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    Comapared with another which produced in 1906.
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    My another rare bayonet is a 8498II with a kicking-ball rademark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albacore View Post
    I've got a few bayonets that are pretty rare. I've got a Type-35 in original Japanese issue and a Type-30 with an M-pommel that has SNs on the crossguard and side of the pommel but no Tokyo arsenal mark. My favorite of my rare bayonets is a Siamese-pommel Type-30 that happens to be a Star-K arsenal. I've been keeping track of Siamese used Type-30 bayonets, known as the Siamese Type-83, for years now. 75% are Nagoya Triangles and the rest are Tokyo bayonets with early features and flat bird's-head pommels. I've only ever seen one from any other arsenal, and that's this Star-K.
    Now that Siamese one is just beautiful.... very neat.
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    Geladen,We call this bayonet long Chong Zheng (Chong Zheng is another name for Chiang Kai Shek) in China.They made long and short version.

    The scabbard for these bayonets also have several version including leather scabbard and metal scabbard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seinen View Post
    Very cool. Can you post some photos here and on the Japanese Forum so I can compare yours with mine?

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    Now if only I could be as fortunate as you to find an actual rifle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblades View Post
    Now if only I could be as fortunate as you to find an actual rifle!
    Very very rare bayonet! I can read the Japanese words on the blade. 三千四十三番 means No. 3403

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    Thank you whitecloud.

    I have a good friend, who is a internationally respected collector in HK. He had helped me with this many years ago as we were comparing notes on japanese used foreign bayonets. Many here will know the gentleman I'm talking about.
    He constantly has mentioned astounding bayonet collections 'tucked away' in your country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblades View Post
    Thank you whitecloud.

    I have a good friend, who is a internationally respected collector in HK. He had helped me with this many years ago as we were comparing notes on japanese used foreign bayonets. Many here will know the gentleman I'm talking about.
    He constantly has mentioned astounding bayonet collections 'tucked away' in your country.
    thank you oldblades.

    we did have astounding bayonet collections tucked away in my country. Howevere, these years I found so hard to find one because of the increasing number of collectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitecloud View Post
    thank you oldblades.

    we did have astounding bayonet collections tucked away in my country. Howevere, these years I found so hard to find one because of the increasing number of collectors.
    Are the Chinese faked chassepots basd ont he German 88 ersatz conversions based on originals that can be foudn in CHina? I have always wondered as many of th efakes are based on rare varaitions that woudl not be expected to be known my most people. WHy make the ersatz when they 1866 is more well known, especially as they then dont sell them as the ersatz? If you follow my train of thought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old-smithy View Post
    Are the Chinese faked chassepots basd ont he German 88 ersatz conversions based on originals that can be foudn in CHina? I have always wondered as many of th efakes are based on rare varaitions that woudl not be expected to be known my most people. WHy make the ersatz when they 1866 is more well known, especially as they then dont sell them as the ersatz? If you follow my train of thought?
    I have seen a lot of old bayonets that made for German 88 rifle here . I don't konw too much about those fake bayonets. However I konw these fake bayonets are mainly sell to the antique shop or market , most of the people konw nothing about the bayonets, so they actually don't care about what model of the bayonets is it. They just want to buy one which look to be magnificence and dignity. So produce a bayonet with brass handle that just looks like 1866 is a good choice. But as for me and most of my friends are shame by these fantasy pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblades View Post
    Now if only I could be as fortunate as you to find an actual rifle!
    Excellent example and photos! I actually located the rifle first, then the bayonet about 6 months later.

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    A 1896 Transvaals bayonet from the Orange Free State. Only 400 were made. I think only 100 of them made it to South Africa and the rest went to Bannermans and then Warner Brothers Studios. Mine had no WBS on it or the Shule stamp which makes it lean more toward a South African issued piece.
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    lol beat me to the punch, I was just about to post that mine's a Transvaal 1896 too! Mine's got the Simson-Suhl stamps and a couple small stamps, but also no warner brothers stamps I can see.
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    Redleg, what is the Shule stamp you speak of? I too have a Transvaal but know little about it...

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