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    Default PPS-43c Photo Shoot (56k death)

    I like to take apart any new weapon I get, so that I can fully understand how it works if I ever need to repair it. It also allows me to look for weak spots in the design, or any detail work that needs to be done before shooting (honing, oiling, screw tightening, etc)

    Given the interest in the new PPS-43c pistol, I figured that I would take some photos while I was at it. Word of advice: The trigger group is hard to remove, as you must remove the safety to get it out. The safety is a beast to reinstall. If you lack the patience to mess with this little part for 30 minutes, don't take it apart...

    The gun, with mags and NOS sling


    The old fire control system has been completely removed, and the lower gutted to make room for the new design, which uses an authentic looking trigger, while allowing the old safety to work.
    The empty lower. You can see the mill marks, as well as the removed spot welds. These are all covered when the new trigger pack is installed.


    The heart of the design, the fire control group. It is a little piece of U channel with an AK style hammer group, which is screwed into the bottom the lower receiver with allen head screws.
    Cocked:


    Fired:


    Screws. The domed one holds in the trigger guard.


    The bolt has a number of mods done to it. It is bored out along its length for a two piece spring loaded firing pin.
    Rear, with spring loaded piece.

    Bolt Face, with actual "striker" part of pin visible

    Side of bolt opening, with firing pin visible


    On the PPS design, the ejector and recoil rod/spring are actually one piece which is inserted into the side of the bolt. This means that the recoil guide must be machined to clear the firing pin.

    The top of the bolt has a U milled into it, to clear the denial groove stamped into the top of the receiver. This is well done, and is even chamfered. My camera flash brings out some of the mill marks, but they are slight in reality.

    The bolts sear catch is milled off. Some designs actually fill this area in with weld to give the bolt more weight. This method seems fine to me.

    The bolt actually goes into the recessed trunnion a little before it meets the barrel face. This is an interesting shot to me.


    And for the last time, PPS and PPSH mags will NOT interchange.... The PPSH mag is like a sten, in that it is single feed. The PPS mag is the modern standard, with double feed. Further, the PPS design is much easier to make and load, giving the Soviets every reason to drop the old design. The PPS mag has fewer parts, no milling, and is totally of stamped and spotwelded construction.
    PPSH on left, PPS on right.
    Side

    Front


    Thanks, hope you all enjoy.
    Last edited by Nirvana; 03-12-2011 at 09:57 PM. Reason: typos. I can take details photos, but i cant spell

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    Thanks for the detailed info and super pics. Closeups are always great!
    Did someone say bore snake?

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    Thank you very much for the nice photos. After testing the pistol at the range, do you like it?

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    Nice

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    I know this is an old thread I just happen to stumbled upon it, but I hope someone can help me with my problem.

    Just how to you wiggle out the fire control group from your PPS 43c? I tried and tried, but that "tab" on the safety bar kept getting in the way! Any help, hint or tip will be highly appreciated ! TIA!

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    My post. It's been a while, but I remember and indicate above that you must remove the safety to get the trigger pack out. It was awful. Don't do it unless you really need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    My post. It's been a while, but I remember and indicate above that you must remove the safety to get the trigger pack out. It was awful. Don't do it unless you really need to.
    Ah...that is right! You did mentioned it in the very first paragraph! I guess my eye (only one good one) got side tracked by all them beautiful pictures!

    I had two major problems that require removing of FCG to fix. I end up gently bending that little tab out of the way. I had to take the FCG out to to do the "Penny washer fix" and alter the safety sear a bit so that it will not release the hammer every time the trigger tries to get reset!.

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    Thanks. Great ing. Great pics. Worth more than a thousand words each.

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    Hi All, Thanks for posting the pictures Nirvana, I realize that I'm replying to an old thread, and am hoping that someone could help me out.....I'm building a PPS-43 & am currently stuck on the FCG. I was wondering if anyone knew what weapon the fire control group components look like it's made from? I would like to find & use them for my build.
    Thanks & Best Regards,
    Jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcwarship View Post
    Hi All, Thanks for posting the pictures Nirvana, I realize that I'm replying to an old thread, and am hoping that someone could help me out.....I'm building a PPS-43 & am currently stuck on the FCG. I was wondering if anyone knew what weapon the fire control group components look like it's made from? I would like to find & use them for my build.
    Thanks & Best Regards,
    Jon
    Never built one myself, but I read of a guy who used a Remington 870 trigger group. I do not know how it all went together. It ll give you something to look up. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcwarship View Post
    Hi All, Thanks for posting the pictures Nirvana, I realize that I'm replying to an old thread, and am hoping that someone could help me out.....I'm building a PPS-43 & am currently stuck on the FCG. I was wondering if anyone knew what weapon the fire control group components look like it's made from? I would like to find & use them for my build.
    Thanks & Best Regards,
    Jon
    here you go, http://www.wildhorsemfg.com/pps-43.html this the exact same trigger group that is in those polish PPSs

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    Guys, T
    hank you both so much for your responses, I check them both out & they look good. Charles, the 870 idea is certainly sound, and will be added to the list of solutions. You've nailed it SfcRet, it's the same fcg, all I gotta do is figure out what weapon it comes out of & then I'm on my way.
    Thanks Again,
    Jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by SfcRet View Post
    here you go, http://www.wildhorsemfg.com/pps-43.html this the exact same trigger group that is in those polish PPSs

    SPF
    I have one of these trigger groups that I would sell, never been installed, would take $80.00 shipped. You can Pm me if there is any interest. SPF
    Last edited by Stuffy 25th IA; 05-17-2014 at 06:59 AM.
    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do
    not.."~ Elmer Fudd......

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    Cool PM sent!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuffy 25th IA View Post
    SPF
    I have one of these trigger groups that I would sell, never been installed, would take $80.00 shipped. You can Pm me if there is any interest. SPF

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    Woohoo fcg arrived, thank you Stuffy 25th IA!

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