It looks all original to me. It looks to be of 1960's or 1970's manufacture.
It looks all original to me. It looks to be of 1960's or 1970's manufacture.
FN action SAFARI (300 ACTIONS?)....STOCKS BY Sile's
i have the Safari delux..... (THAT I HAD CUSTOM STOCKED IN AA WALNUT DIDN'T LIKE THE PLAN WOOD. and put mark x MAG...BUTTON RELEASE.)
these came out in late 1950's and up to 1963.....
[....[/B]gun is the best action Parker Hale built guns ON...my gun 308 extreamly accurate....
REAR SIGHT LIKE HUSQUVARNA'S OF SAME TIME PERIODS when they got FN actions. to from FN...\
much BETTER GUNS when compared to the Santa Barba they used after this.....BRAXTON's GUIDE has pictures....1963.
its a real keeper very hard to come by....
Last edited by DK PHILLIPS; 10-14-2011 at 06:51 PM.
From the 1963 catalogue
Last edited by Mk VII; 10-14-2011 at 05:10 PM.
DK Phillips, the rear sight is original or not? And the safety catch is white that's normal? $450 for this gun is a fair price?
And what about front sight original hood? Hard to find?
mine is the....308 safari de luxe it has the different rear sight block with sight on top second pictures action...
the ads have made a mistake and inverted the two models actions and stocks my friend...
the snabble stock goes on the de luxe...
your stock is correct for your model.....sometimes ads get tweaked or in-corrected in production releases!
yes your sight is org.....hood maybe FN of the same time period?....mine was missing.
the action alone is worth $ 400....the stock $ 175.... marked Sile in the wood barrle channel....
barrel sights $ 200.00...trigger $18.00
MINE HAS what is called "BLACK CHROME BLUE.... barrel action ...highly polished metal before blue-ing.
these guns are the best of PH..... the forgotten firsts ones....
i see them more collectable in the next twenty years as info gets out to collectors....
i wrote the factory back in the 1970's no info given to me other than early model?
...and sales catologs of new prodocts.
all the others Santa Barb's i tried to love... lacked quality accuracy and FN quality.....as for the bolt release spring in the white....other parts blued i believed...guns in safe i'll look later this week!
hope this clears up photo ads mistakes.....i would give $ 450 for it....
or 308 norma mag i missed for $ 575 12 YEARS AGO...safra..
Last edited by DK PHILLIPS; 10-14-2011 at 06:54 PM.
The rifle is built with a military action anything wrong with that?
Last edited by Buster95; 10-15-2011 at 04:08 PM.
best materials one key way cut stronger 300 action, VERY accurate barrel, some of the last military heritage put to excellent use......
Would you want the spanish knock off military on the later PH'S?
my custom PH turns eyes for looks and range rats heads ON TARGETS....
As I recall the Santa Barbara actions were made in spain. Not as good workmanship, but non the less useable.
good actions but not single cut for extractor...so not as strong in theory....
but very good the same...from an excellent company....that i wish would have maded it into today's markets.....
98 are stronger .... i read in those earlie ones....less material cut out i think its call the C cut...
cutting both sides was a cost cutting measure in production........?
in theory this weakened the upper front ring.... but never saw a 98 blown up in the front ring area...
even this one 98 TWIN cut with both lugs sheared off...the barrel just twisted off by hand....ring stretched away from barrel threads BUT HELD...
The main objection to the left side cut was that gas could come back . Just like 93 Mausers, 03 Springfields, mod 70
Winchesters ect. This was probably ,ore impertant around 1900 when they were learning how to make cases.
Ok to date your Safari you need to pull the stock probably and give us the code from the the Birmingham Private View mark which is crossed lances with letters at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. That will give us the year is was made and proofed.
Parker-Hale only started producing these Mauser sporting rifles after their move to the new, to them place/factory at Sparkbrook, in 1962. It was there stored in alcoves in the old tunnel range they discovered crates of German M98 actions. These were war reparations and basically the government didn't want them so P-H build their first Mauser based sporting rifles on them. later they had to source actions from Belguim, Czech and Spain.
Awesome...thanks a million!
brit hunter thats the best info i have ever gotten....
i even wrote to england got nothing of value....just one book worth....where did you find that info?
There must be thousands of these rifles in New Zealand.It was a very common first Rifle for young Hunters on a Budget.Also the first "Modern" Hunting Rifle many bought after using a Sporterised Lee Enfeild.
I have one in .270 and have owned about three others.They typically fetch around $300USD in decent condition.
thats a good price...$ 475....26+ years ago......
Due to the misinformation about Parker-Hale rifles and the different models is why I started on my search for the information. I brought what turned out to be an 1100 Deluxe in 30-06 but got told it was a Safari, Safari Deluxe, 1200 deluxe and this by dealers who should at least know what they are offering for sale and if not at least say they don't know which model it is instead of trying to bull there way through it and also by a couple of ex employees of Parker-Hale. It was the happy discovery of a #73/74 catalogue which had my rifle in it that proved without a doubt what model it actually was. Since then I have been collecting as many different P-H catalogues and advertising fliers (mini catalogues of 3-5 pages) and now have about 13 of them with which to check information Oh and one Gibbs one featuring their abortive attempts at cashing in on the P-H name and reputation.
Parker-Hale when it was actually Parker-Hale were helpful to a fault sadly this changed when Modular Industries got control under the name of Bremmer Arms Company I can only assume your tired writing to them whilst under this management which would have been in the very late 1980's to about 1992.
Hopefully if we can gather enough solid information it's hoped to put it all together is a sort of Parker-Hale history. Never having attempted anything likes this before I find it rather daunting.
OK straight out of the box hang tag still attached 1200 Super in 7.92mm
Note poor inletting, I believe this was rejected and not shipped as part of the special order run and finally got sold to the trade. So far have not found any P-H literature listing the 7.92mm chambering (8x57 Mauser)
Stock oiled and scoped up:-
Parker-Hale 1100 Lwt
As brought with slightly chipped stock finish so the finish was stripped off and a hand rubbed oil one applied
Parker-Hale 1100M in .458
This one has the std Mauser two stage trigger still.
Next a 1200C in 25-06
in 6mm Remington
1100 Deluxe in 30-06
Unique stock profile.
Model 1200TX single shot target rifle in 7.62x51
This particular rifle has the extra scope block so that the long Unertl/Lyman type target spot scope can be used.
Model 1000 in .243 Winchester
Although it shot well it was returned as after cleaning it, the rifle was covered in filth and grease, I discovered than through abuse the bolt handle had been snapped off at some point and brazed back in place.
Midland 2100 in .243 Winchester slightly customised by previous owner:-
and finally a No4 Supreme Sporting conversion:-
Hope you like them.
That first Rifle was sold as a "Midland" in New Zealand.Does it have a Die Cast Floor Plate and Trigger Guard?
They were sold in New Zealand in 7X57.
your correct....1980's ?......i have seen one other safari 308 norma mag. for sale......
trade x sometimes has a few pictures of intrest...
keep up the research it will benefit us all.....
MINE is the "FN" i think ? by the adds.........
with loading cut out on left side "0ld STYLE military Mauser action?"
....but its been years since i had it off wood....to look for new info "learned" that i now know and can put to my research......
i know the old stock had Sile stamped in the barrel channel.......its in AA old growth Kentucky blank i hand selected with my friend at the saw mill......
i had Springfield/Mauser 2100...in 3006.....
stump wood in rear of butt both sides....beautiful.....
but the action to bolt fit was too soppy......sold it with no regrets
Midland Gun Co. was a name that got swallowed up by Parker-Hale about 1966 and used to brand a line of no-frills utilitarian sporting rifles
The bolts always are sloppy on those P-H Spanish actions.
The design of the Mauser 98 it what causes the bolt sloppiness as you put it. It's there to allow for battle field debris. One would have thought after over 100 years of being in use people would have understood this simple fact. The original Model 1892 and 1893 had a guide rib to reduce the slop but Mauser found it not needed to did away with the guide rib.
I'm referencing not Mauser and Mauser bolt....
but the hybrid Mauser action combined Springfield bolt.......too much more slop than needed!
I am not aware where these actions were made for Parker-Hale the one I have has no Spain marking on the tang. I also didn't notice any more bolt slop than the 98 varients.
Many P-H actions were made by Zastava in the FYO.
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I purchased a 1100M parker hale 458 mag converted into 458 lott not to long ago and have been surfing the net looking for information on rifle like manuals rifling twist ect.. while looking I noticed some differences with my rifle compared to others but not much reference material out there. I was hoping that someone would be able to identify what i have by photos because barrel looks like the one off M81 " has carrying strap attachment on barrel " and the stock looks similar to the 1100M but the forearm end is different ?. The # 1346 on barrel and bolt along with other insignia from parker hale like birmingham england and the crown or sword marking.
ROB123 looks like you had a product of the short lived Gibbs Rifle Co as they made up on they called the M81 African where hte front sling loop was on a barrel band. However to confusicate matters the cat I have of the Gibbs rifel also states it has a three leaf rear sight which yours does not. It has the 1100M rear sight
I realize this thread is old but I have just inherited a Parker Hale Safari Super 30.06 and was wondering if you could help me date it. Serial number 103, n at 9 o'clock and B at 3 o'clock. Appreciate your help!
First poster here.
I'd like to know which model this Parker Hale in .30-06 is. Am I correct when I guess it is an 1100 Deluxe?
Would also like to know the date of manufacture but as I haven't got the rifle yet I can't get a photo of the stamp hidden under the stock.
I was surfing and found this thread. I registered in hopes of getting a bit more information. I was looking for information on two Parker Hale rifles that I have. One was my father's, and it's a 30-06. The other was my uncle's, and it is a 300 win mag. Both rifles are identical, and look exactly like the 1200's the gentleman posted pictures of below. Both have iron sights too.
Both have markings on the barrel: "Importer Jana Denver" and a crown over the letters BNP
The 30-06 has the numbers: P-50298
The 300 Mag has the numbers: MAG-28661
I'm not sure if I inherited these rifles, or if "rescued" would be more accurate description. Either way, I acquired them for sentimental value. They remind me of my youth, trailing along behind my father and/or uncle, hunting in the mountains. I'll pass them down to my son some day.
Both rifles are in pretty rough shape. I have spoken to a local gunsmith, to see what he can do with them. Problem is the stocks. The 300 mag's stock cannot be repaired. The base of the stock suffered from some sort of heat related damage, probably set too close to a wood stove. Someone cut 1 3/4" off the stock and sanded the rest of it down way too far. The 30-06 stock might be repairable, but unlikely. It has the infamous crack in the pistol grip area, behind the bolt slide.
The gunsmith does not know where he can find a replacement stock that would be identical. There are many composite options, and generic wood options, but finding one that would be identical to these may be impossible. The stocks are what make these rifles so appealing to me. I think they are about one of the nicest looking rifles I've ever seen. Not too flashy, just a touch of subtle elegance.
I am hoping that someone might point me in the right direction for acquiring replacement stocks and recoil pads. The gunsmith will go through the actions and clean / polish them up. I'll have the barrels / mag and trigger guard re-blued.
Thanks in advance for your time........ mike