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    Default ID On Cartouche/Markings? 1939 Tula & 1942 Triangle 25

    So I'm a little new to the whole "Nugget" collecting thing, and I've been able to ID just about every marking on my 4 rifles, but there are a few I haven't found yet.

    First is a shield like cartouche on a 1939 Tula's stock.

    It reads C 3 and an upside down T? (pic is upside down)
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    Second is on the same rifle, I think it's just a Cyrillic letter over a quality control mark but I can't really tell.
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    Different rifle now, this one is on a Triangle 25 marked barrel and a Star 25 stock.

    The marking I'm talking about is the one on the stepped up area on the bolt handle. Also the faded/machined out one is odd too.
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    More pics of that particular gun because I feel like it, LOL.

    Triangle 25, also that weird stamp above the Soviet Crest, it's almost like a bell shape. I may post pics of it if anyone thinks it's something special.

    *Edit* There's also an "11" marked down to the right in the black area where the receiver and barrel meet.
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    Quality control stamped over something else
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    "Star 25"
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    Any thoughts on the markings? I know the Triangle/Star 25 is a repair workshop mark, but the rest is kinda funky to me.

    Also, I love the 1942 Izhevsk, picked it up on Tuesday for $80. No Ukrainian refurb stamp, there were pine needles and hay shavings stuck in the cosmoline around the trigger area in the stock, and I swear it hasn't been cleaned or taken apart since Kursk, LOL... Kinda makes me feel bad for doing that, but oh well.

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    The 1942 sounds like a Finn capture, does it have the newer or older import mark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmosin View Post
    The 1942 sounds like a Finn capture, does it have the newer or older import mark?
    Oh, forgot to mention that there is no Import mark or new serial anywhere on the rifle *EDIT* after more inspection there is a mark at the end of the barrel, it's a Century Import..
    The owner said It's been in that gun shop since the late 80s or early 90s, I guess small towns have their fun parts.

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    Spend some time on our other site.

    Most marking are there or ones like them so you will know what they mean.

    http://7.62x54r.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MosinDawg View Post
    Spend some time on our other site.

    Most marking are there or ones like them so you will know what they mean.

    http://7.62x54r.net/
    Oh yes, I've done lots of scouring LOL. Still can't find that cartouche if you guys have it though.

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    I did it once more, and no potato.

    I swear I've been through at least every page on there at least twice, and not just markings.

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    I did a quick mock-up of the marking on Paint Shop Pro

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    I also found this in near the crossbolt in the recessed grip area. (Camera's dead, so mock-up for now)
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    I also found a "Circle T" at the rear of the stock next to the metal plate.

    So, my guess is that it's Czech, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MosinDawg View Post
    Yessir! It's almost exactly like what I posted though.

    So I guess that one is settled.

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    Does your 1942 have the letter "D" or 41 or the boxed SA on the barrel anywhere. Still think it saw use in Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmosin View Post
    Does your 1942 have the letter "D" or 41 or the boxed SA on the barrel anywhere. Still think it saw use in Finland.
    *EDIT: Derp, you said 1942, disregard this post.*

    None that I think of, but I'll take it apart and take pics anyway.

    No, sorry. Here's one of the top (nothing special, really), I can get some of the underside of the barrel if need be, it's filled with stamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmosin View Post
    Does your 1942 have the letter "D" or 41 or the boxed SA on the barrel anywhere. Still think it saw use in Finland.
    Sorry about the wrong pic. The top is in the first post as you may have seen, here's some more pictures though.


    Note the "11" probably doesn't mean anything, but it seems to be struck pretty lightly.
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    Bell shape above the Soviet Crest
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    As you can see, no D, SA, or 41 marked anywhere on it. I've scoured through every millimeter of the gun and none of those were found.

    So, anyone got something on these yet? If not, I'll just leave my curiosity to die.

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    I'm curious to know what markings are on the tang? It looks like in your last pic the alignment mark is X'd over (I think that is an alignment mark?). Sorry, but can you give us a full shot of your Mosin?

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    My eyes could be playing tricks on me but, I think I see a very fant SA mark on the side of your barrel at about 4 o'clock from the circle K.??? By the way, I'm talking about the 1942.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suckstwobme View Post
    My eyes could be playing tricks on me but, I think I see a very fant SA mark on the side of your barrel at about 4 o'clock from the circle K.??? By the way, I'm talking about the 1942.
    I think what you may be seeing is part of the date or SN, there's not anything up there, at least from a small skim over. Time to bring out the jeweler's optic. :D

    Quote Originally Posted by suckstwobme View Post
    I'm curious to know what markings are on the tang? It looks like in your last pic the alignment mark is X'd over (I think that is an alignment mark?). Sorry, but can you give us a full shot of your Mosin?
    Sure thing, I'm gonna take them to the range in a couple hours though. So if it doesn't rain later then I'll get a full view.

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    Enjoy them. That is what we should before we think about anything else.

    Disclaimer to some. Check for problems with the weapon first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igloo View Post
    Sorry about the wrong pic. The top is in the first post as you may have seen, here's some more pictures though.


    Note the "11" probably doesn't mean anything, but it seems to be struck pretty lightly.
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    Bell shape above the Soviet Crest
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    As you can see, no D, SA, or 41 marked anywhere on it. I've scoured through every millimeter of the gun and none of those were found.

    So, anyone got something on these yet? If not, I'll just leave my curiosity to die.
    Look at the first pic and discription I added inside ((Parentheses)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by suckstwobme View Post
    Look at the first pic and discription I added inside ((Parentheses)).
    Holy crap, I think you're right. I think I'll try taking more pictures of that area at different angles.

    Never would have seen that if I you hadn't pointed it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by MosinDawg View Post
    Enjoy them. That is what we should before we think about anything else.

    Disclaimer to some. Check for problems with the weapon first.
    Indeed, I took all 3 of my Nagants out today. Tested out the Tula 1939 I bedded, my Ex-Sniper PEM, and the 1942 Non-refurb here as well. They shoot great.


    I love them to the max. :D



    I'll get on to some more pictures in a few here...

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    How big is the "star 25"? The combination of that and the /25\ is pretty cool! Not to mention everything else.
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    Here we go, I used Paint Shop to clarify the area a bit and make an outline of the SA.

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    I still don't know if I believe it or not, LOL.
    Though, you know I was looking at the barrel the other day and I noticed it has a bit of a step or bulge down around the middle, like it was stepped at one point.
    Rest assured I'll be taking a very long look-over of the rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocker98 View Post
    How big is the "star 25"? The combination of that and the /25\ is pretty cool! Not to mention everything else.
    The Star 25 is about an inch in size, it's pretty big. And I tend to agree, this particular Mosin is probably my favorite by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igloo View Post
    Here we go, I used Paint Shop to clarify the area a bit and make an outline of the SA.
    I don't see it in the original. Nothing that looks any deeper that the original machining marks anyway.

    I really do like this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocker98 View Post
    I don't see it in the original. Nothing that looks any deeper that the original machining marks anyway.

    I really do like this one.
    It's very, very faint, and practically no indent. The only reason it shows up is because there's rust where it was.
    If you look hard enough, you'll see it.


    Oh, and I'll try post some full pictures of the rifle tomorrow, didn't get enough time before the sun went down today.

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    Nine years of quality control. Lots of visual inspection. Dang, I hated that job!! You have a lot of history in that gun. Keeps it all kinda interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suckstwobme View Post
    Nine years of quality control. Lots of visual inspection. Dang, I hated that job!! You have a lot of history in that gun. Keeps it all kinda interesting.
    Haha, being that detailed is a very good trait, one that I *used* to have, glad I your eyes saw what was there.
    And history is why I buy guns, for many different sub reasons in that category. Feels good to have something like it.


    Also a quick question for anyone who can answer. My knowledge is a little shabby on why there would be a once imprinted SA mark on it, does this mean it was refinished during the war? I'm not too knowledgeable on that
    I mean how would it only show up as rust and a shallow cavity with rust from where it used to be? And upon further inspection there seems to be other shapes in commonly marked areas too.


    Ah well, in any case it's probably the best $80 I've spent in years. :D

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