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  1. #1
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    Default New 1903/17 Breda 1927 MS long rifle

    I just traded a Moison Nagant for a 1903/17 Breda 1927 MS long rifle in 6,5 X 54 MS, minor pitting on trigger guard and bolt knob otherwise nice brown/grey patina all over and stock is strong with no cracks except for handguard (common) but thinking I can repro one up out of a 1903a3 handguard.

    Bore is good with some light pitting but mostly smooth and shiney.

    Thinking it may shoot and was wondering is brass can be formed from 6,5 X 55 Swede or 6.5 Carcano?

    Also has a midband that looks like a K98 band and not original, also missing cleaning rod.

    Any parts out there with board members or a lead on who may have some?

    Anyone loading and shooting one?

    Any info, leads, is appreciated.

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    Default M1903/14 Breda 1927

    Just quickly (got to catch a train)...The 6,5x54 MS cartridge can be formed (a bit short) from the 6,5 Carcano case (just a matter of shifting the shoulder slightly forward by Fire forming).
    The 6,5 Swede case is way too Big in the head for any use ( .475 vs. .448).

    If one has a small lathe, .220 Swift cases can be expanded, Full length sized, trimmed, and then the rim and extractor groove turned to proper 6,5MS dimensions.

    BTW, its a M1903/14,, not /17.

    regards, Doc AV
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    Reportedly, during WW2 the Italians converted a number of captured M-S carbines to handle the 6.5x52 Carcano cartridge.
    "For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.
    [Points to sword] But this....this you can trust!"

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    Default Docav

    Can the 6.5 Carcano be safely shot in the 6.5 X 54MS greek rifle I have?

    I have over 200 Prvi 6.5 X 52mm (actually 52.25mm long) 139 grain factory Carcano ammo that seems a bit hot and am wondering if the breda 1927 action will take the pressure/load.

    Should I pull bullets and reduce charge weight 10%? or am I overly cautious? dont know anything about the original load but beleieve it was 160 grain at 2100.

    My bore measures .257 X .268 and am thinking I will need Hornady .268 bullets thought I did hear of some .266 jacketed bullets on the boards here.

    Going to try and make a handguard out of a 1903A3 handguard.

    Any help is appreciated.

    Frank

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    Default Shooting 6,5x52 in 6,5MS chamber.

    Yes, it can be done, with straight-out Military or commercial loads, even though the shoulder position is slightly different....I tried it out several years ago, before I made my own 6,5x54 cases ( headswaging .308 cases--a real heavy metal job).

    I found in my Breda 1927, that occasionally a 6,5 Carcano cartridge needed a twist of masking tape ( about 1/4inch wide) over the shoulder neck junction, to give correct headspace...otherwise the firing pin would only push the case forward, and not fire. (This was with pre-WW II Italian Milsurp. No problem with pressures, or any other concerns.
    A Lot of Wartime 6,5 ammo chambered simply without any masking tape, and fired most times(if the primer was OK).

    So if you have loads of Boxer PP ammo, that should chamber and fire OK, with or without the little twist of Masking tape. No need to down load it at all. And best of all, the PP Bullet diameter is correct for the 6,5MS ( they use .264, rather than the correct .268 of the Carcano (mil) round.

    Good luck with your project,
    Regards,
    Doc AV
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    I'm loading 6.5.54 MS for my Greek 03/27 Breda. I use 34 Grains of IMR 4350 w/160 Grain Hornady Interlock #2640. I trim the case length to 2,110 and the col is 2.970. After I full sized the case I have been neck sizing them. Norma has cases for the 6.5x54. I am using a relatively low powder to keep it safe as the gun is old. I get 1" groups at 50 yards and 2" groups at 100 yards. This gun was the same type of rifle my Dad used in WWII when the Greek Army chased Mussolini back into Albania.
    " Until now, we knew that Greeks were fighting like heroes; from now on we shall say that the heroes fight like Greeks."
    Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of Britain - 1940.

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    Default 6.5x54mm Brass

    A question for y'all. Why all the effort to make 6.5x54mm brass from Carcano, when you can also buy 6.5x54mm Norma and Hirtinberger brand brass here in the USA? Check the online stores, like Midway, Graf, Wideners and Huntington for brass, or just watch the gun sales websites, cause it pops up there too.

    LLS

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    Whathow? You traded a Mosin for a Mannlicher-Schonauer? Was it a Chatterault or a RV carbine?

    Color me envious, any hope of pictures?
    Turk Pr0n!

    I have written a novel. Science fiction alien-invasion set in 1908 Russia. You should buy a copy!

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    Default MS Moison Trade

    Traded a Finn M39 43Sako and 80 rounds of Bulgarian HB for the 1903/14 Breda 1927 MS.

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