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    Default Norinco Model 213 safety removal and full sized grips?

    I'm the new owner of a nice Norinco Model 213. I'd like to remove the safety on my Norinco Model 213, but the only grips I can find that might cover up the safety hole are the wood grips from the guy in the UK - and I can't see putting $100 grips on a less than $200 gun - any other suggestions?

    As an alternative, I'd go with the Tokagrypt grips, IF I could find any - can anyone point me to a source for those?

    THANKS!

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    I *think* the Tokagypt grips had a cutout for the lever safety that norinco added to their Toks back in the 90's. I got a pair wrapped away somewhere in the armory.

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    Welcome to the Forum!
    Some Chin. also came with wrap-around grips so those would not cover up the Hole!

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    Thanks for the feedback guys!

    No grips yet, but I'm making progress - I picked up a bare frame today (Tokarev Frame Only T54 Norinco) that may take some fine-tuning but should work fine with the slide and other components of the 213 I already have - and the new frame has no safety hole! I'm also going to pick up a 7.62x25 barrel and magazine - I should be able to go either way with the gun, right?

    Still looking for some type of "full size" wrap-around grips that'll cover up where the safety hole used to be, and maybe give me a bit of a beavertail effect - I may end up going with those wooden grips if I can't find something else. I'd really like something like the Hogue grips with front finger grooves that I have on all of my 1911s, but I can't seem to find anything like that for the 213.

    The adventure continues . . .

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    I wish you luck with the grips. Unfortunately, the unique attachment system of the Tok would make aftermarket grips very expensive and likely beyond profitablity with thier limited demand. If you get a 7.62 barrel, consider getting a new recoil spring from Wolf as the Chinese one that came with the 9mm may be too week for the higher pressure 7.62.

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    Those useless safeties sure ruin the pistols even if you cover the holes, the stupid plunger/ball divots usually show. I would think plugging the hole with a steel rod. Milling it to clear mechanism and tigging the divots and plug seams would be best solution. What do you think? FWIW back in the day I personally saw pallets of defect 213s going somewhere. mine was tossed on and i got my $ back.

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    I appreciate the suggestion on the new recoil spring for the 7.62 barrel - good idea!

    The idea about plugging the hole with the steel rod might be a good idea, but not for me to do it - LOL, that kind of work is far above my skill level - I do, however have a dremel!

    Why do ya think the 213s you saw had so many defects? I have a Norinco 1911 that I REALLY like - it's a great shooter with a smooth as silk trigger - why would the Norinco 213s have such a different level of quality from the Norinco 1911s?

    Another question for you guys that have more experience with these guns - who is the best source for parts?

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    You may have a bit of a Job ahead! If the T-54 frame is for 9mm then you will need special T 54 9mm mags that have a spacer in mags, since the 213 mags will fall out of a T 54 frame also your 213 slide is made to eject 9mm not X25 ammo and will not reliably work but maybe as a single shot!
    Might need to enlarge the Eject port!

    A 213 slide will not fit a T 54 frame as is unless you remove a hard protrusion roughly 1/4 in wide and 1/8 in thick from the underside where the firing pin hole is, also the extractor on any 9mm may not work proper with X25 ammo.

    And last but not least many T 54s were made of Soft Steel!

    Best of Luck!

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    Yep, the T-54 is a 9mm frame. Are you talking about the spacer that fits in the frame behind the magazine, or some kind of spacer in the magazine itself? Sounds like it'll be an adventure for sure !

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    For what it's worth, I fabricated a thin triangular sheet steel plate to cover the safety hole in the frame of my Norinco Tokarev 213 9x19mm. Aplied a thin coat of locktite around the plate edges then attached the plate to the frame utilizing the two factory safety stop screws. Voila! You have returned your Tokarev 213 to very close to its original appearance and you don't have to weld up a damn thing nor are you out the cost of a reblue. I am continually amazed no one else seems to have stumbled on to this idiotic but 100% functional bubba solution. And it works like a charm!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texas_yankee View Post
    Yep, the T-54 is a 9mm frame. Are you talking about the spacer that fits in the frame behind the magazine, or some kind of spacer in the magazine itself? Sounds like it'll be an adventure for sure !
    T 54 has a Spacer in Mag itself! 213 has a narrow Mag with no spacer in mag but it is in the frame and can be removed, and these mags will not interchange between these 2 guns!

    You can remove the Spacer in the 213 frame to use 54 type 9mm mags! it may be cheaper to just buy a X25 Tok!

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    although most americans do not like rear/fire-forward/safe arrangement there is nothing wrong with model 213 safety and short 9x19 magazines can be bought pretty cheaply at cdnn?. the 213 is great shooter with fmj ammo but with most jhps you can expect two to 3 stoppages per magazine. i would not alter the gun and just enjoy shooting it with affordable 9x19 ammo.

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    Zastava M 88-A magazines will work perfectly in a 213 same size! On both the 213 and the T 54 the safeties do seem to cause problems on many down the road and the lever has been known to go from fire to safe while shooting!

    But the 213 is the better of the two!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vz58kid View Post
    T 54 has a Spacer in Mag itself! 213 has a narrow Mag with no spacer in mag but it is in the frame and can be removed, and these mags will not interchange between these 2 guns!

    You can remove the Spacer in the 213 frame to use 54 type 9mm mags! it may be cheaper to just buy a X25 Tok!
    LOL, looks lke there's lots to learn about these different variants, huh?? That's weird - so if I go with the T-54 frame to get rid of the safety hole, the mag I have now for the 213 won't work I'd have to use T-54 magazines - right?

    And when you say "213 has a narrow Mag", are ya talking that it's narrower side-to-side, or narrower front-to-back??? Both mags are still single stack mags, right?? If the T-54 mag can handle 9mm and 7.62, and if it has a spacer in it to accommodate the shorter 9mm rounds versus the longer 7.62 rounds, I can see it being a bit longer, front to back, than the 213 9mm mags - is that what ya meant??

    So, if I understand correctly, with the T-54 frame, I need to get a t-54 mag, and that mag will accommodate either 9mm with the spacer or 7.62 without the spacer - and the specer, unlike the spacer that's in the frame of the 213, is in the magazine for the T-54 - it that how it works?

    Thanks very much for your patience schooling me on this !

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    As i said earlier a 213 mag will fall out of a 54 frame! It is shorter front to back! A t 54 takes a reg Tok X 25 mag but these do have a spacer in back of mag since 9mm is shorter than X 25!

    213 has a spacer in the gun which can be removed held in place by a pin on top!

    Remember a 213 slide wont fit on a 54 frame without internally removing a piece of metal! Try to put your 213 slide on the 54 and try to rack it and it wont do so but a little!

    The ejector port on both the 213 and 54 is to short to properly handle the x25 ammo! So you may need to enlargen port, also on both the extractor may need to be taken out and worked on to properly function with a x25!

    Unless you hace a Metal workshop and skills you will regret this adventure and the gun will be a Franken-Bubba Tok!
    I have seen many atttempts to cover up safety Holes but all looked bad!

    If you want a Brand new Tok then buy a Zastava M-88 these go for about $300. these are also knows as "Baby-Toks' and are a newer design with a nice safety build into the slide. These have a original 100% factory functional safety! They come in 9mm or .40 cal and are nice and 213 mags will interchange perfectly!

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    That clears it up for me - thanks! What about getting a T-54 slide, to eliminate the requirement to remove metal from the inside of the 213's slide ??? Are they readily available?

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    A slide for a 54 is hard to find and about $100. but you still cant shoot x25 with a T 54! But then you will have a 213 and a 54 both with the ugly safety also if you find a 54 slide it will be most likely stripped and needs the internals which is no fun to install!
    https://www.buymilsurp.com/pistol-pa...-3546_103.html
    Dont think they have any slides but you may be better off buying a used complete T 54!

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    LOL, maybe I need to scale back on my grand plan - and just clean up the 213 and enjoy it as it is . . . . looks like a lotta work that I'm not at all experienced with at this point - that'd also save me from getting into another caliber (7.62x25) - I already have plenty of 9mm.

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    I've been cleaning and re-assembling the gun, and I'm wondering if something I'm seeing \ feeling is normal - I've got the gun put back together and it seems to operate correctly, but I'm noticing that there's A LOT of resistance when I move the slide back manually just as it engages the hammer to cock the gun - that's with the barrel and recoil spring out of the gun - lots more resistance with this gun than I feel when I operate one of my 1911s. The engagement surfaces appear very smooth and well worn - almost like a trigger job - it's NOT a new gun.

    I haven't oiled the gun yet, nor have I shot it yet. When I take the slide off and hold the trigger back and operate the hammer, it doesn't appear to bind on anything, but it is stiff. The trigger assembly is completely seated into the frame. The gun has obviously been shot a bunch before I bought it - maybe the previous user just replaced the hammer spring?

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    I think you made a wise choice as far as what you describe most likely will work better after a good lube!
    All of the safeties on these guns are basically useless and many will interfere with the gun and many tear up, the Yugo M-57 is a great and desired Tok but the aftermarket safeties on these seem to function and look better than any, but seem to be the biggest prob with these messing up!

    The 213 is a better gun than a T 54!

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    The resistance when pulling the slide and cocking the Hammer is normal on the TOK.. Everyone I have is like that and nothing like my 1911.. I think its just the way it hits the hammer.. The 1911 has more leverage and operates easier and smoothly.. My Opinion
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    Thanks again everyone for all of the guidance - LOL, I'm sure I'll have more questions. I re-assembled the gun yesterday (incluging the safety mechanism), oiled it, and all that's left now is a trip to the range - I appreciate the feedback about the resistance when racking the slide - man, it's a workout! I like an idea I read about thumbing the hammer back first and then racking the slide to chamber a round - seems far easier.

    I'll keep looking for a set of those wrap-around grips (Tokagypt ?), but they seem to be pretty scarce.

    I originally bought this Tokarev because it's a Norinco, and I'm really happy with my Norinco 1911 - now that I'm learning more about the Tokarev platform, I'd like to expand my Tokarev collection - I'm looking for shooters, not necessarily collectables - which Tokarev variants should I start looking for if I want one with no safety? Not a must have for me, but the idea of having one that can switch back and forth (easily) between 9mm and 7.72x25 is appealing.

    Looking forward to any suggestions - thanks again!

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    It is best to pull Hammer before racking the Slide! Told you the resistance is normal!
    There are no Toks Military use which were made with a safety! The only way to get one with no Safety is to get a very early non import Military issue one or a bring back and since these saw use in WW2 or other conflicts these are very expensive.

    There are a few models which were made which had a Factory safety installed before being imported like the Norincos also there were the Yugo M-70 Models which were imported and these did have a factory safety installed which is excellent!

    The only Tok which was Newly made and designed is the Zastava M-88 (Baby Tok) which was newly Made in the late 80s and it was designed with a excellent Factory Safety and is a compact version!

    The M 88 is by many called a Commercial Version, which it really isnt! It was and still is used By Police as well as in some instances issued for Combat and saw much use in the Mess in the 90s in the Balkan wars!

    There were some 7.62 x 25 Toks which were sold as a marketing ploy with a 9mm barrel and 9mm mags with a spacer and some folks thus can use either caliber, but still the extractor may need to be taken out and have Metal removed to work 100% with 9mm and thus reducing reliabilty with X 25!

    Same with a CZ 52 these are 7.62x25 a few were sold with a 9mm barrel and some mags with spacers to use 9mm, but there again in order to work 100 reliably one had to grind down the extractor!

    But there again i would never alter a Gun or the extractor to use a different cal. since it then is no longer a 100% reliable, but to each his own!

    A lot of the X 25 Milsurp ammo is really bad and full of duds or cracked necks etc... and this ammo has been extremely hard to find and prices have gone way way up, S&B and others do make modern ammo and it is very good and not to exp.

    About the best milsurp is the Chin x25 which can still be found at shows sometimes even though it is no longer imported!

    The wrap around grips wont cover up the holes on the Chin. but these grips are bulky and useless to me and were put on due to import restrictions just like many guns had grip added with the Thunb-rest! My T 54 which i bought NIB in the 90s came with those UGLY BULKY Grips!

    The Chin have been banned from import since the late 80's about 3 weeks ago i found a NIB Norinco 213 Tok in Box with papers and had never been fired, the dude said he bought a couple in 1980 and never used one and sold it to me! LOL!


    Also about 2 yrs ago. same story. found a Zastava M-88-A NIB with Box etc..which was imprted in the 80s and the dealer never used or fired it
    turns out the Serial is all 00000 and the the Number which is between 1 and 3, so i got one of the first to make it here and it is one of my favorites!

    The hottest Tok is the Yugo M 57 which have only been imported for about 2 1/2 yrs and these hold 9 rounds of x 25 instead of 8 like the rest and thus have a longer grip and are easier to handle, some of these are Mint and are very nice, normal Tok mags wont fit and spare ones were going for about $50. but lately more mags have been imported which were actually made new by Zastave since there was such a demand here, however these are commercial mags and dont have the lanyard loop on them but sell for about $25-$30.

    The safety on these(aftermarket) seems and looks to be the best one out there, but has also been the No 1 problem with not functioning of the gun due to sloppy workmanship on mine all i needed to due was to take the grip off and file grip down a little n the inside, since the grips on these were filed down in 1 corner 1/4 in to create room for safety lever!
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    I originally bought this Tokarev because it's a Norinco, and I'm really happy with my Norinco 1911 - now that I'm learning more about the Tokarev platform, I'd like to expand my Tokarev collection - I'm looking for shooters, not necessarily collectables - which Tokarev variants should I start looking for if I want one with no safety? Not a must have for me, but the idea of having one that can switch back and forth (easily) between 9mm and 7.72x25 is appealing.

    Looking forward to any suggestions - thanks again![/QUOTE]

    There have never been any large quantity of Tokarevs imported without the added safetys. As for looking for any version without an added safety - stand in a long line! Seriously, if you can find one of any variation that is reasonably priced, get it. Most of these would be "bring backs", a few others were imported prior to the prohibition of importation of military weapons, and some others "walked" across the Canadian border.

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    Thanks for schooling me on this stuff, guys - great information about all the Toks - and thanks for the guidance about trying to find one without a safety - aside from a SMG and a mid-level AR, I'm not into expensive guns - I like shooters and learning about the different platforms - I'm thinking now that sice I'm only into this one for $170, I might just experiment with it - take off the bluing, bead-blast it, put on a light coating of oil to prevent rust, and see if I like it like that - if not, I can have it re-blued or parked.

    I am still intrigued with those guns that came out as 7.62x25 but came with the 9mm barrel and mag - but the point you made, vz58kid, about the extractor makes sense - sounds like a problem - maybe I'll look into getting one of those Zavasta M-88s.

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    The X25 that came with 9mm mag and barrel was mainly the CZ 52 but it was a Market Ploy! They also have some 213 Toks with a High cap mag and a fatter grip!

    Need to know anything else about Toks,CZ 52 or other Guns just Holler!

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    Thanks again - so much great information - I would have gotten snagged with the marketing ploy and been wondering why the thing didn't eject correctly with the different barrels.

    I think, for now, what I'm gonna do, is remove the bluing this weekend, get the gun bead blasted, and see how I like it naked. I'd still like to figure out a way to cover up the safety hole after I remove the safety - I've been looking for some type of grip that'd accomplish that, but no luck so far - maybe if I strip it down to the bare frame, I could get someone to weld up the holes and then sand it down flat . .. .

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    Tig welding and sanding will cover up the holes but if you have someone do it it may cost some $$$! Also remember these Norincos have not been imported in many years like in the 80s and there wont be anymore coming in ever, so whatever you do do change its looks will decrease value and parts wibb be continuing to go up in price!

    Do take a look at a Zastava M 88 they come in 9mm or .40 and are the real deal and these were designed with a Factory safety original to the Gun!

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    Just so you know none of these Toks or any of the Old Military Guns were designed to function proper with Hollow Points, some may or may not work depending even on the H Point, but this can be easily solved if one knows how!

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    PS! A Blue Job is not cheap and you may not find someone locally to do it, but you can do your own use Liquid Oxpho Blue by Brownells i have tried them all and this is the best Product out there!

    Almost as good but not quite is G-96 Liquid Blue usually sold only by Sports Authority Stores but the G-96 paste blue is not good, most Blueing solutions will work OK on small parts but the whole gun is another story!

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    I think for now I'm gonna try removing the existing bluing (vinegar bath), then either bead-blast or rough up the surface with steel wool, and leave it bare metal with some gun oil - rubbed all over the gun and then wiped off well - I can always send it off to get it re-blued.

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    Been working on getting the black off the gun this weekend - had all the parts soaking in white vinegar most of Sunday - it's getting down to the bare steel how I want, but I don't think the black coating is bluing - any chance it'd be paint??

    After I get it all stripped down (probably leave it soaking overnight), I'm gonna try some SteelStick stuff from the J-B Weld people to fill in the holes for the safety and two screw holes - the SteelStick looks to be a lot easier to work with, sets up in 3-5 minutes, and advertises as drillable in 60 minutes - it has the consistency of a putty.

    Hit the Ft. Worth gun show this Saturday - wouldn't ya know it - not one freaking Tokarev of any kind !!

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    Never got your pictures of the other Tok!

    Chinese never used paint only Blue and some were made in Chrome! Buy some Blue Remover JB weld in my opinion wont hold up and is a waste in this situation, Toks are not easy to find at shows!

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    I'll pick up some Blue Remover. Check for a PM about the pictures.

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    Copes has some M88 a 's for $ 279 on their site, 3-11-12.

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    Saw that and is a good price but most likely these still come only with 1 mag, when i got mine 3 yrs ago NOBODY had spare mags anywhere not even the Importer EEA, but last yr they finally were able to get more in!

    At the time i didnt know these also took standard (narrow) 213 mags, these also come in .40 S&W but i wish they would make these in 7.62 X 25 but dont!

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    I think I'm gonna pick up another Norinco 213, and this second one (for me) comes with some extra mags - I really like how thin they are, and if they perform anything like my Norinco 1911, they're gonna be sweet shooters. I was amazed at how simple they are to detail strip.

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    Still waiting on pictures! Then you will have 2 guns with the HATED safeties! LOL!

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    Can I send you the pictures to your email? If so, please PM me with your email address. Thanks!

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    I just send it again for the 3rd time in 3 days! LOL

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    WOW - sorry - never saw those earlier PMs - just responded to your PM, and sent you an email with some pics. Let me know what ya think . . .

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    JMO, but the best way to fill a safety hole is to tap the hole, smear it with LocTite, screw in a suitable screw and after the LocTite sets up. file/grind the excess length of screw down inside and out to get it flush with the frame surface. I think the OxPho blue creme works better than the liquid.
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    Hi Clyde - thanks - that's what I've read - but it's beyond my expertise. The J-B Weld approach appears to be easier - but as I'm finding out this afternoon, that stuff isn't that easy to work with, either.

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    Classic Arms has some Tokarevs for sale - Romanians, chrome Romanians, and Polish.

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    Just got in, those pictures look good and seems the mags are original, the Holster and pouches are nice and not easy or cheap to find the gun looks great and i would also buy it for that!

    One thing i am Cautious about is what if the dude keeps your Cash and dont send the Gun? Can and sometimes happens if he is a long term member there with a high post count and you are also a member there you should be fine!

    If you try to remove the safety you will decrease value a lot and then there still are those safety Notches! LOL!

    Classic will Chrome anything never buy a Chrome Gun unless it is Factory original and the Chinese did some 213 in Chrome Limited but they are hard to find!

    You can always get a WW2 Russian which seem to go for about 1K if in decent shape and dont have to worry about the safety if a bring back or early import, my Brother has 4 of these!

    Best Wishes!

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