$4k mn 91/38 ???

[Drhall762]

I am not an expert but would like to learn. Why is this particular Mosin Nagant 91/38 worth over $4000.00?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=276456789

Thanks for the input.

[gremlin1945]

Because the gray blanket says so.This guy is amazing.I'd love to shadow him if he ever hit one of the casinos in Atlantic City.

[v i t]

It's a neat carbine, but not 4k worth of neat, not to me anyway... Perhaps because seller is willing to take credit card and some people don't think it's the same as spending your own cash?

[USMCsean]

Good luck to the seller collecting!

[jepari]

A fool and his money ........ I can see no (reasonable) reason why this sold for over $4k. Wonder if the seller would manage my 401k ???

[jp]

No, this seller does not take credit cards. However, thems of us who have dealt with him trust the guy pretty far as far as condition descriptions and service while realizing that his knowledge is sometimes lacking. I've bought from him and will do so again, but I'll only pay a slight premium for his stuff and WON"T get involved in the knock-down drag-out stupity shown in this auction. Yep, let's all check back in a week or so to see if this is an actual sale....

[martin08]

I thought the LSD fad blew over in the early 1980's?

[Drhall762]

I have a 91/38 that is very nice. Matching and all. Purchased it when I first saw them advertised for about $79.99 when I ordered two. Can't believe anyone wants one bad enough to pay $4K.

[ak_milsurp]

That price is patently riduculous! Somethings HINKY here! lol I looked at it this afternoon and was amazed to see it at over $1K with 5 hours to go....

Damn! If that's the case.... I have a 2 91/38's..... a 1906 Izhevsk based one in the same type of beech stock as that Sestroyetsk, (looks BETTER than the one sold), AND an 1891 Izhevsk based example in the original cut down stock.... Granted, you rarely see ANY Sestroyetsk Mosins these days.. but DAAAAAMN! Gotat be a shill bidder..

Woo hooo , I'm RICH!!! lol I too have bought guns from that seller. I no complaints.... what I wonder is, how does he finds this stuff in a little town damn near on Canada's border in NY.....?????

He always seems to have a good inventory of hard to find examples.... TO Dennis Kroh, do you know who that seller is?

Hell-- I bought a Ross M10 MKIIIB from him last year-- I was quite happy with it

[Richard in NY*]

I am going to lose my #&*%ing mind! Over $4000 for a common rifle worth no more than $400.

I had absolutely zero interest when I recently offered my Polish 8mm 91/98/25 conversion for less than $2000. A genuinely rare and desirable rifle. And some schmoe pays more than twice that for a common rifle. And lest anyone think it is merely jealousy on my part, it is far, far more than that. This is yet more evidence that right and wrong have been turned upside down. There is just no way that this is possible in a rational and just world. With each passing day I find less and less common ground that I can share with the "masses". Either "they" are insane, or I am. And I know that I'm not.
I hope, no I pray, that the dumbass purchaser is reminded every day for the rest of his life that he paid 10 freaking times what that rifle is "worth".

[Stalin's Ghost]

It's not the seller's fault -no bogus claims on this rifle.
I found him honest and fair in my limited dealings with him.
"A fool and his money..."

[v i t]

I am going to lose my #&*%ing mind! Over $4000 for a common rifle worth no more than $400.

I had absolutely zero interest when I recently offered my Polish 8mm 91/98/25 conversion for less than $2000. A genuinely rare and desirable rifle. And some schmoe pays more than twice that for a common rifle. And lest anyone think it is merely jealousy on my part, it is far, far more than that. This is yet more evidence that right and wrong have been turned upside down. There is just no way that this is possible in a rational and just world. With each passing day I find less and less common ground that I can share with the "masses". Either "they" are insane, or I am. And I know that I'm not.
I hope, no I pray, that the dumbass purchaser is reminded every day for the rest of his life that he paid 10 freaking times what that rifle is "worth".

Richard,
It is not a common rifle. It is a combination of some very interesting parts/features... basically it is a parts gun very neat, but silly overpriced.

[Lancebear]

Looks like Larry maybe got a new camera. Or the M44 stock, ep'd bolt, force matched butt plate...or even the slightly bent rod. The last two bidders can't be serious. Think they're yankin' Larry's chain and makin' a statement. They both have feedback though. Not much. No way is the winnin' bidder gonna' pay. It's funny.

Maybe the last two bidders are part of a buy back program, based in Chicago. Hussein sent them a few million to buy up every firearm on GB, and save the world. One bolt action at a time.....

LB

[Richard in NY*]

Richard,
It is not a common rifle. It is a combination of some very interesting parts/features... basically it is a parts gun very neat, but silly overpriced.

Vit:

I know exactly what it is and in my opinion, and I can only speak for myself, it is a common rifle. I purchased my first example back around 1987 and I have purchased more than a few since.

[gremlin1945]

I hope I'm not breaking the rules here.If I am please let me know and I'll delete the post.
Here's the bid history.It speaks for itself the stupidity/lust of the human mind.
It started at $1,300.Two guys with a combined rating of 13 purchases.

	*
	3/13/2012 9:59:39 PM EST		$4,025.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:39:35 PM EST		$4,000.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/13/2012 9:59:10 PM EST		$4,000.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:54:09 PM EST		$3,700.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:46:52 PM EST		$3,650.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:45:59 PM EST		$3,500.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:34:38 PM EST		$3,300.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:16:07 PM EST		$3,200.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/13/2012 9:28:55 PM EST		$3,200.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:27:52 PM EST		$3,150.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:26:44 PM EST		$3,000.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:26:25 PM EST		$2,822.22	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:26:10 PM EST		$2,655.22	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:05:37 PM EST		$2,550.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:02:13 PM EST		$2,500.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/13/2012 9:05:08 PM EST		$2,475.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 9:03:52 PM EST		$2,250.00	a***g A+(22)
	3/13/2012 9:03:37 PM EST		$2,200.00	a***g A+(22)
	3/13/2012 9:03:25 PM EST		$2,150.00	a***g A+(22)
	3/13/2012 8:57:48 PM EST		$2,100.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:32:01 PM EST		$2,000.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/13/2012 8:57:28 PM EST		$2,000.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:56:45 PM EST		$1,912.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:56:13 PM EST		$1,862.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:55:39 PM EST		$1,812.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:54:57 PM EST		$1,762.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:54:17 PM EST		$1,712.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:53:26 PM EST		$1,662.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:52:42 PM EST		$1,612.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:51:30 PM EST		$1,562.00	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:50:34 PM EST		$1,511.10	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 4:33:35 PM EST		$1,500.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/13/2012 8:50:10 PM EST		$1,461.10	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:49:48 PM EST		$1,411.10	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:49:18 PM EST		$1,361.10	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 8:48:15 PM EST		$1,311.10	g***2 A+(5)
	3/13/2012 2:18:26 PM EST		$1,300.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/13/2012 7:40:57 PM EST		$1,261.10	B***n A+(45)
	3/13/2012 7:36:49 PM EST		$1,211.00	h***r A+(17)
	3/13/2012 4:11:04 PM EST		$1,051.10	B***n A+(45)
	3/13/2012 3:05:59 PM EST		$1,001.00	h***r A+(17)
	3/10/2012 10:14:06 PM EST		$900.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/13/2012 1:55:24 PM EST		$777.00	h***r A+(17)
	3/10/2012 10:11:45 PM EST		$600.00	a***4 A+(8)
	3/10/2012 12:52:59 AM EST		$571.00	h***r A+(17)
	3/10/2012 10:15:20 AM EST		$551.00	S***E A+(21)
	3/10/2012 1:49:40 AM EST		$520.00	S***E A+(21)
	3/10/2012 1:48:51 AM EST		$501.00	S***E A+(21)
	3/10/2012 1:48:09 AM EST		$450.00	S***E A+(21)
	3/9/2012 10:32:54 PM EST		$404.04	l***5 A+(43)
	3/7/2012 9:56:44 PM EST		$375.00	S***E A+(21)
	3/9/2012 10:10:40 PM EST		$353.53	l***5 A+(43)
	3/9/2012 6:21:53 PM EST		$325.00	M***R A+(12)
	3/7/2012 7:10:41 PM EST		$310.00	l***1 A+(122)
	3/7/2012 10:21:06 AM EST		$275.00	k***9 A+(45)
	3/7/2012 12:47:30 AM EST		$200.00	c***9 A+(3)
	3/6/2012 9:29:30 PM EST		$199.00	p***m A+(15)
	3/7/2012 12:11:17 AM EST		$175.00	T***5 A+(127)
	3/6/2012 11:43:11 PM EST		$150.00	c***9 A+(3)

[martin08]

Four out of nine purchases by the buyer have gone to the same seller. All buying history is too old to open up, but I'm wondering if we might see a few other "extravagant" purchases.

[gremlin1945]

Look at the erratic raises near the end.Looks like a scam deal to me.

[azdoug]

I am going to lose my #&*%ing mind! Over $4000 for a common rifle worth no more than $400.

I had absolutely zero interest when I recently offered my Polish 8mm 91/98/25 conversion for less than $2000. A genuinely rare and desirable rifle. And some schmoe pays more than twice that for a common rifle. And lest anyone think it is merely jealousy on my part, it is far, far more than that. This is yet more evidence that right and wrong have been turned upside down. There is just no way that this is possible in a rational and just world. With each passing day I find less and less common ground that I can share with the "masses". Either "they" are insane, or I am. And I know that I'm not.
I hope, no I pray, that the dumbass purchaser is reminded every day for the rest of his life that he paid 10 freaking times what that rifle is "worth".

I had plenty of interest in your 91/98/25, but a serious lack of funds

[Lancebear]

Would a mint original antique Sestroryetsk M91 be worth that kind of money? A rich collector will know his stuff, and not blow big money on a carbine like this. It's a lark. And a funny one. Larry will not get the money.

LB

[Fatherandersonthepaladin]

Uhhhhhhh..... I have no words... for once I have absolutely no words...

[MilitaryTorch]

Maybe the bidder thought the price was in Russian rubbles?

[mstrbtg]

I can't wait 'til it gets here!!!

[themosinator]

4K?...Huh?...Isn't it a couple of weeks early for April Fools Day?...

[mjmd]

Another indication of just how silly the Mosin market is.. Rare items sell cheap , more common items are expensive.

[boltactionsforever]

The seller is KNOWN for forgeries in the K98 world pretty regularly...shill bidding is also suspected.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...-buddy-sreisel

You will find him here also....in the K98 world he is bad business

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...88-Turd-Alerts

As far as this auction goes----I'm pretty sure the gun will not be sold to a "new" owner....

Let me add this....IF someone paid that amount for this example, they would have to atleast visit one of the common MN sites---

I'll put this out there---

THE buyers is more then welcome to put up pictures of there NEW rifle after they receive it.

I'm sure my offer will not be answered by the "new" buyer.

BAF

[JB25]

I've been down this road before...
http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=12227.0

Interesting point of note:
At the time, that particular 91/38 sold for $706.
I opened the old GB link in that thread and, go figure, that same rifle was relisted by same seller 4 weeks later.
The second time around it went for "only" $550.
Will be interesting to see if this ends up getting relisted.

Of course, that is all assuming mstrbtg realized he did not win the lottery during his drunken stuper last night and doesn't pay hehe.
Mstrbtg- great comment! Almost spit my coffee out.

[steamer]

I'm with BAF on this one. I'm about willing to bet that there are no legitimate bids on this one. Well,,,,maybe one.

[sniperfreak]

Maybe someone just REALLY needs an 1895 Sestroryetsk to complete the collection

[M16A2556MM]

60 bids, most of them between two bidders. Cool carbine, maybe I would pay $300

[clayshooter2]

Hmmm..... I can think of two people who should really consider AA (Auctions Anonymous). They might have and addiction to that Bid Again button.

[graybeard]

I dont know much about online auctions, but the bidding record looks kind of screwy to me. If you look at the bid
aat 3/13 4:33:53 Pm, it is sandwiched between two bids (one lower and one higher), but the lower bid shows a time
much later in the day. How is that possible?

The seller was taking a real risk with a starting bid of $165, with no reserve. He must be a real gambler if he thought
it would go for big bucks.

With all the rebuilds and recycling of parts by various countries; its hard to think of any early Mosin as unique.
An antique with all original matching parts might be worth 4 grand to me, if I had the money.

[bones92]

I'll bet the seller gets paid. Five bidders took this over $1000, including one who I know to be a legit buyer (as I just sold him something).

In my opinion, it's crazy to pay that much, despite it being a neat and unusual rifle.

[carol tenge]

Pathetic!

[Mosinmeister]

I thought the LSD fad blew over in the early 1980's?

I thought so too; but I can't remember. Why can't I remember??

[clayshooter2]

I tell you what, if I ever start selling off any of my collection; I am definitely investing in a gray blanket before I photograph them.

[Mosinitis]

just a nod, this auction was linked in the MN collector's forum before it went over the top, by a low count user BTW
I thought the gun was neat, the full markings, noted the mismatched parts, and wondered on the extra stamps (full markings???)
and Czech 38, never heard of one but hey lots of countries did lots of things so IDK
and I wouldn't have payed more for it than a 38.

Now if this is a guy that a few were going off on last week on a questionable rare mauser claimed to be NOT RC, then yeah this guy has a history of burning people.

[Rick N.]

Time for me to start selling some guns on GunBroker !!!! Starting with a late K98 soon.........

[Homer2]

Ya know, I have one of those grey blankets. I think I need to try something out...

[Lancebear]

Seems Larry, his "Magic Carpet", and his auctions have had more written about them, than many fine and rare firearms posted and discussed here. Surely not intentional, but he has at least achieved foot note status in American firearms collecting for this period. Good and bad.

When dealin' with him, ya' have to understand what he actually wrote, and what he left out. Also is an important photo left out? About this one, If I remember right, he wrote all matching numbers. Yep they all match, but are not original matching stamped numbers from the original arsenal that manufactured the carbine. Reminds me of Bill Clinton. "I did not have sex with that woman, M.L.". When he said it, he was lookin' at a woman unknown to him, paused and then said Monika's name. He knew he did not have sex with the woman he was lookin' at when he said the famous words. So with this twelve year old kid ploy, he figured he did not lie. He didn't say "I did not have sex with Monika L.". When he paused after his hokey line, the ladie's name was just like a period at the end of a sentence. That's my "Logic" anyway.

Larry didn't mention the stock was a M38 or M44. It's a M44, has the bayonet groove. He knows the difference. Up to you to mail him questions on details left out, part of his modus operandi. He will answer quickly on missin' details, but lotsa' guys probably don't ask. Good salesman is only gonna' tell ya' the positives. Have to call'em on missin' info, or questionable "Silent" details ya' can see, but not mentioned. Not defending him, tryin' to illustrate how he works, and others that use smoke and mirrors.

Far as the price on this piece, crazy. And I can't see a rich guy goin' so high. Got that much money, must be smart enough to know the actual top value of the prize in the auction. Know lotsa' rich guys, and they ain't gonna' get skint on anything. Funny business for sure. "That's all I got to say about that." - F.G.

LB

[LVSteve]

That's errm... out there. If it had been a 91/38 in an original, shortened, no-crossbolt stock with the bayonet groove clearly routed out during refurb, I MIGHT see it as a $5-600 rifle. With what appears to be a Czech M44 stock, not so much. Say $350-400 absolute tops.

So, what am I offered for a 1900 Izhevsk in an original, shortened, wooden crossbolt stock with the added groove.

[quark]

I paid $300 for my MARKED 91/38. It was the best deal of the year for me!! But it was mismarked of course!!