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    Default This is a call for: all Roundels, Cartouches, and other stock markings!!!...

    I am starting this post as an addition to, and to supplement, the two main Mosin Nagant sites photo galleries on:

    ANY and ALL stock markings!!...SPECIFICALLY, stock roundels and cartouches, as well as other stock markings y'all might have on your Mosins (OR, that you remember that OTHER folks have on their Mosins from other posts here on the boards!!!)


    I am trying to decipher several stock markings on my own Mosins as well as some other Mosins I have seen here and elsewhere...but, the existing database is actually a little bit lacking...

    ...so...I am making a formal request:

    ...Please post ANY and ALL stock markings you can find...(ya know...the ROUND ones!!!!)...


    Thanks in advance!!
    MY FIRST TEN MOSIN NAGANTS:
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    1939 Tula m1891/30 Lam. Stock- "Irena"
    1934 Tikka m27- "Tiina-Rakel"
    1938 Tula m1891/30 Finn Captured- "Nainen Sodassa"
    1955 Type 53 Carbine- "Thu Huong"
    1944 Tikka m1891/30- "Isoiti"
    1942 VKT m1891- "Mummo"
    1916 Tula PTG m1891 Finn'd- "Petra"
    1967 No-Maker m39- "Tuuli"
    1926-8 Bohler-Stahl m24- "Vanha Rouva"

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    Here is my best roundel and a not so roundel.




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    'DEUTSCHES REICH' stamp on a N.E.W. I sold locally late last year



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    For My Fallen Brothers:
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    I'm looking for pre-war Yugoslav Mauser bolt number 36455. If you have it, let me know! I'll pay a finder's fee on top of the selling price.

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    Here you go...

    Oh, wait a second...I thought you said 'post a picture of Rondell...'


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    For My Fallen Brothers:
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    I'm looking for pre-war Yugoslav Mauser bolt number 36455. If you have it, let me know! I'll pay a finder's fee on top of the selling price.

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    O.k., back on track...

    Here's a SAKO cartouche from a PL-marked M39 I sold a few years back





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    For My Fallen Brothers:
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    Never Forgotten.

    I'm looking for pre-war Yugoslav Mauser bolt number 36455. If you have it, let me know! I'll pay a finder's fee on top of the selling price.

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    On an [SA] marked 91/30.

    Well, me ... It's nice talking to myself
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    On my straight stocked 1941 Sako M39...Click image for larger version.

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    Poot I am still laughing at the Rondell joke.

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    This is on my 1943 Tikka M-91. does anyone know what it is?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNZABLAZIN View Post
    This is on my 1943 Tikka M-91. does anyone know what it is?
    That is a round cartouche. But I'm not sure if it is a roundell. Maybe Rondell might know?

    Seriously now, I do recall that mark as being referred to as an inspector's stamp on Russian stocks. A very similar mark can be found here:

    http://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.co...rks/index.html

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    Nice US Eagle, and English Contract Cartouche on N.E.W.




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    Martin you just had to break out that NEW. Now I'm busy trying to wipe up the puddle of my drool before it gets on my keyboard.

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    Here is a 1917 REM turned into a trainer by the Japanese, and marked with a cartouche which has been translated as Hosei University, and probably rack number. Marked over the orignal Russian REM 1917 cartouche.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNZABLAZIN View Post
    This is on my 1943 Tikka M-91. does anyone know what it is?

    That is a inspectors mark. Look at my post on CCCP marked stocks.
    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...mark-on-stocks

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    martin08, mto7464, thank you. I love to learn something about my old milsurps everyday!!

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    Here's another oddball cartouche on a 1917 REM. This wound up as property of a Chinese provincial military school, as evidenced by this partially translated cartouche. Also adapted for knife bayonet. Other side of stock has the Russian cartouche dated 1917.

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    mp8 and a refurb mark on a 44 ex sniper
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    This is a third series M28 with what I understand to be Austrian capture marks of an M91. Would like to know if that is correct.

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    M28/30 with very small and faint Civil guard acceptance stamp behind trigger guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F2G-1 View Post
    This is a third series M28 with what I understand to be Austrian capture marks of an M91. Would like to know if that is correct.
    That is what I was informed when I posted my first Mosin Nagant M91. I have the identical markings on a 1905 Tula with 1896 dated stock.

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    Stock makers mark on a 1942 wartime VKT M39...


    Bunch of marks on a refurbished 1944 Tula PU stock.


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    OK, I'll play-first, a fairly nice cartouche on a 1937 Izhevsk:

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    Now a couple from 1943 Izhevsks, unfortunately on both of these, the arsenal workers did a fine job of stamping the acceptance mark, but a really sloppy job on the cartouche:

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    Guess they were more interested in rushing them out the door to fight the Wermacht than in making a nice collectible for me in the future.

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    random stock stamps found in a crate of Ukranian refurbs.

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    I don't think anything I have hasn't already been posted, but here goes.


    NEW English Contract


    US proof on the same NEW.


    Soviet cartouche on an original, all correct and matching 1930 SA marked Tula Dragoon.


    I cheated on this one. It's an MP8 cartouche on my Winchester 95. Still, it was a rifle that served Tsarist, and later, Soviet Russia.


    Stamps on a Hungarian M52 sniper.


    MP8 from a 1937 Ishevsk in a Spanish made walnut stock.

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    RMJ was a famous Finnish stock maker. Or, er, an unknown conscript. One or the other.



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    Pic 1, 4,5 ,6 are still in my possession.
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    Cartouche on a Sako '41 straight stocked M39. Original rifle, not reworked. Six thousand serial range. Posted photos of this rifle many moons ago. Member asked if he could use a photo of the marking for a tee shirt. Still waitin' on that.....

    Took some new photos tonight, think they are better. Ya' can see the wood color inside the cartouche. Think this is the most artistic and coolest marking on any rifle stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNZABLAZIN View Post
    This is on my 1943 Tikka M-91. does anyone know what it is?

    I have seen that stamp on one of my mosins. Always wondered what it was. Mine is on the metal under the rear receiver screw. I think it's on my Finn 91.

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    Saw this one on GB. Finn rework of 1917 REM.

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    SR,

    That is cool plus two. Finnish Remington in a nutwood stock. Auction still runnin'? If it is don't post a link and get trouble. I could find it. Was it a one piece stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jodavk View Post
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    Though it wouldn't have applied to your gun (as it was not intended for firing), the stock once housed a barreled action that was load tested. The circle P is a US proof mark.

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    The dreaded Tula Hammer



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    Just a serial number from a 1904 Tula.
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    With or without the stock marking Doug, I dig that stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancebear View Post
    SR,

    That is cool plus two. Finnish Remington in a nutwood stock. Auction still runnin'? If it is don't post a link and get trouble. I could find it. Was it a one piece stock?

    LB

    Yep!

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    Pahtu,

    Is it yours now?

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    Here's my offering from a 1933 M27.
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    Lancebear,

    Pix not that good, but looks like one-piece. Still open, closing soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southridge View Post
    Here's another oddball cartouche on a 1917 REM. This wound up as property of a Chinese provincial military school, as evidenced by this partially translated cartouche. Also adapted for knife bayonet. Other side of stock has the Russian cartouche dated 1917.

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    The first two characters are difficult to read, but the last three characters read 'middle school' (中學校). I think it might be a Japanese cartouche, since many MN 91s ended up in Japanese schools and universities for military training.


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    A 1955 Type 53

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    'Gaoyao County Public Security Bureau' and rack number

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    The other side: (illegible) 'fertiliser factory' (partially legible)


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    I had NO IDEA that I would get y'all to dig up SO MANY really cool stock markings photos when I originally posted this thread...THANKS to ALL who have posted so far!!!...
    MY FIRST TEN MOSIN NAGANTS:
    1925 Izhevsk m1891/30 Ex-Dragoon- "Katalin"
    1939 Tula m1891/30 Lam. Stock- "Irena"
    1934 Tikka m27- "Tiina-Rakel"
    1938 Tula m1891/30 Finn Captured- "Nainen Sodassa"
    1955 Type 53 Carbine- "Thu Huong"
    1944 Tikka m1891/30- "Isoiti"
    1942 VKT m1891- "Mummo"
    1916 Tula PTG m1891 Finn'd- "Petra"
    1967 No-Maker m39- "Tuuli"
    1926-8 Bohler-Stahl m24- "Vanha Rouva"

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    Southridge,

    I found it and sent the seller a few questions. No reply. Hope the bore is good and the receiver Remington. Figure the stock is nutwood. Scarce in M91 configuration. Crack could be fixed easily and that's part of why I placed a bid. Fixed a much worse long crack on my M28 Christmas rifle. Thought, dreamed I could win this one for a good price. Member here snagged it, hopefully he will post photos and info when he gets it.

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    A Civil Guard number on the ?? Tikka M28/30. There is also a faded cartouche that can be seen to the lower left of the S. I'm not exactly sure what it was, but the stock is made from a NEW M91 stock.
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    ????????????????????????????????????????
    Any ideas? Anyone?
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    Captain Mainwaring-

    I had an acqaintance in Hong Kong translate the cartouche for me. He said it was for a middle school in the Zhe Jiang Province. That's the source of my comments. That brings up another question. You are right that M91s went to Japan; have you ever seen a Japanese-used M91 adapted for a knife bayonet? Here is that adaptation on my rifle. Also, how close are Chinese and Japanese orthographies? Similar enough to be confused? Thank you; I appreciate your info.

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