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    Default Opinions Wanted: 1939 Tula

    Gentlemen,
    My knowledge of Nagant revolvers is basic at best. I do know that to find one that didn't go through a refurb with the original finish is pretty desirable. My LGS just took in a non import marked, 1939 Tula with the original finish that I would rate at a conservative 96-98%. There is a small blemish on the right side of the frame and on the end of barrel. It also comes with a brown leather holster. If someone could provide me with what would be fair market value, it would be greatly appreciated. I know pictures would be ideal here but it wasn't possible under the light in the store.
    Thanks in advance,
    Chris
    Last edited by blushirt23; 09-07-2012 at 07:15 PM. Reason: Fixed incredibly annoying typo

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    A 1939 is not a rare example unless it is marked differently than normal. But if it is a non-import with original finish it will bring at least $250 and likely more. I will pay up to about $400 for any prewar all matched revolver at a show if I don't already have an example or it has an SA mark (I always pick up SA marked revolvers as it is easy to find them new homes with guys who collect Finnish rifles - I have one right now looking for a new home).
    The holster is another matter. Without pictures I won't hazard a guess. If it is a recent import, post war made for storage it is worth $15. If it is an original M1901 or M1910 it is worth hundreds. If it is a 1930s or 1940s original it is worth between $50 and $100 depending on model and condition.
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    Joe,
    Thanks for the quick reply. As I said previously, my knowledge of Nagants is basic, at best. I think I remember a star on the hammer and maybe another star by the muzzle. I can't say for sure. There was at least one mark on the butt, next to the lanyard ring. What it was, I cannot recall. As for the holster, it looked to be leather and did not look the ones they include with the recent imports. If I pick it up next week, I will be sure to post some pictures.
    Thanks again,
    Chris
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    Last edited by blushirt23; 09-03-2012 at 07:09 AM.

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    If you like I can post pictures of a 1939 and a correct period holster.
    Joe
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    That would be incredibly helpful.
    Thanks,
    Chris

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    Here are pictures showing detail of a 1939

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    Left and right views and the sideplate
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    Left: Diamond AC Acceptance mark. Right The late 1930s circled OTK mark and circled 'K' accuracy proof

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    Left: straight front on the knurling of the hammer. Center and right 2 marks on the left side of the sight base - no marks on the right side.
    I don't have a file photo of the front of the cylinder face but it should have the full serial number in the same font as the serial number on the frame. There should also be a star OTK mark and another stamp. The surface should be reasonably smmoth and not show major machining marks.

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    Joe,
    Thanks again. From what I see from your pictures, I believe the markings are the same. I will be sure to post some pictures if I pick it up this week.
    Enjoy your Holiday,
    Chris

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    Joe,
    I just got back from putting a deposit on the Nagant. From what I can tell, the holster is a M1910 version. Its reddish brown leather with an inner compartment, for ammo maybe? I should be picking it up within the next day or two with pictures to follow.
    Thanks again,
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by jleiper View Post
    If you like I can post pictures of a 1939 and a correct period holster.
    Joe
    Didja forget the pic of the period correct holster? I was curious to see that myself. I just got a 1929 Tula yesterday with the pebbly, probably not leather, holster, and was curious about what the correct holster was supposed to look like.

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    Here are some pictures
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    This model of holster was introduced in about 1941. It is a variant of the pattern 1932 holsters.

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    This is an example of the holster from 1922-1932. Note the plug in the end of the barrel tube.
    All of the holsters shown here would have been used by infantry or other troops who didn't have to sit (pilots, tank crew, drivers etc. carried a suspension type holster).
    Joe
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    Here is a very typical 1932 style holster. It likely originally had shoulder strap, but not necissarily. The brass cleaning rod is correct with the Nagant for this period. By about 1935 it was replaced with the steel rod for the Tokarev. This was the principle holster used in the 1930s into the GPW.


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    Here is a 1927 suspension - again troops who had sit in vehicles - correct lanyard.


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    1932 suspension holster with correct lanyard.
    Joe
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    Very Nice. Thanks For Posting Joe. Have seen one or two of the 1932 SH and passed on them as I did not know what they were.....

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    Joe,
    I was finally able to pick it up today.
    Unfortunately, the finish loss on the barrel was more than I remembered but otherwise I think it's a pretty decent example. Pro or con, I look forward to your opinion.
    Thanks again,
    Chris








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    Great score! The holster is a prewar leather Universal made from about 1936-1941. The cartridge pouch will hold 14 nagant rounds or a TT 33 magazine. These are relatively uncommon. Now all you need is a steel cleaning rod and a lanyard.
    Everything I can see on the revolver is absolutely correct. Does the number on the cylinder match and have a star OTK mark?
    Again, great score!
    Joe
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    Joe,
    Thanks for the kind words and the good news. The cylinder does indeed match the frame. I didn't realize they were numbered that way, with the # stamped around the cylinder like that. Again, thanks for the help. It was definitely appreciated. If you need the serial # for a study or any other pictures, just let me know.
    Regards,
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    Forgive me for jacking the thread, but I asked about Holsters and Joe answered - so I just wanted to say thanks very much for posting all the holster pictures. Now I have something else to search for, since I just have one of the post-war rubberized canvas holsters. Why do I have the feeling this will be harder to find? And how cool, blushirt23, that your acquisition CAME with a leather holster! I'm jealous.

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