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    Default Solvent Trap Adaptor???

    Found something intersting today, do a search for "Solvent Trap Adaptor" on e-bay. You will see an interesting device for cleaning your gun.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Sol...90504995382%26

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oil-Filter-S...item257789fdbe


    Well I suppose it would keep the solvent off the carpet when your cleaning the bore.... but I suspect you may got to jail if you have one of these.

    Seems easy enough to make one, but its got to be illegal.

    Well illegal without a tax stamp anyways...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bentwrench View Post
    Found something intersting today, do a search for "Solvent Trap Adaptor" on e-bay. You will see an interesting device for cleaning your gun.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Sol...90504995382%26

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oil-Filter-S...item257789fdbe


    Well I suppose it would keep the solvent off the carpet when your cleaning the bore.... but I suspect you may got to jail if you have one of these.

    Seems easy enough to make one, but its got to be illegal.

    Well illegal without a tax stamp anyways...
    Oil filters make very good silencers! Selling the adapters as "solvent trap adapters" is just BS.
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    Honestly, I have my doubts here. It would be interesting to know how many percents of the decibels would be silenced. Measuring is knowing. Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big commander View Post
    Honestly, I have my doubts here. It would be interesting to know how many percents of the decibels would be silenced. Measuring is knowing. Just curious.
    Search oil filter silencer on youtube.
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    Have seen youtube videos and the silencer is efficient enough that you can hear the guns slide action over the report . I think the serial number goes on the filter if you pay the tax stamp. If you don't pay the stamp they can't arrest you for having a new oil filter and the adapter, but get caught with a carboned up oil filter and adapter that may be a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shepard5348 View Post
    Have seen youtube videos and the silencer is efficient enough that you can hear the guns slide action over the report . I think the serial number goes on the filter if you pay the tax stamp. If you don't pay the stamp they can't arrest you for having a new oil filter and the adapter, but get caught with a carboned up oil filter and adapter that may be a different story.
    Nope, the threaded adapter is the numbered part you need the stamp for, the oil filter is treated the same as replacable wipers by the ATF. I knew about oil can silensers, but to see them on e-bay is a bit humorus.

    Though he has no mention of the NFA or the fact that installing this is ILLEGAL. Not to mention e-bays crappy fire arms policies probaly don't allow these...

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    Where would you put the serial number on a pillow?

    A very wise man once said a computer is an idiot with a million fingers to count on. Looks like government's the same.
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    i disagree with your opinion.
    the adapter can be used for several legal applications, it is only when there is an actual silencing device on it, is the ASSEMBLY under batf tax stamp control...i can mount a flash suppresor no stamp, a muzzle brake no tax stamp..on my cleaning bench a soda bottle to catch patches with..no tax stamp......go look at real suppressor sites..they sell ADAPTERS with no stamps.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bentwrench View Post
    Nope, the threaded adapter is the numbered part you need the stamp for, the oil filter is treated the same as replacable wipers by the ATF. I knew about oil can silensers, but to see them on e-bay is a bit humorus.

    Though he has no mention of the NFA or the fact that installing this is ILLEGAL. Not to mention e-bays crappy fire arms policies probaly don't allow these...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar10ar15man View Post
    i disagree with your opinion.
    the adapter can be used for several legal applications, it is only when there is an actual silencing device on it, is the ASSEMBLY under batf tax stamp control...i can mount a flash suppresor no stamp, a muzzle brake no tax stamp..on my cleaning bench a soda bottle to catch patches with..no tax stamp......go look at real suppressor sites..they sell ADAPTERS with no stamps.....
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    following your train of thought..a threaded bbl would be a silencer...sorry..you got it wrong...
    there are lots of adapters out there and lots of threaded bbls...all have the potential..but until the potential becames real life no batfe.......
    might is a big word..as in might not also...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruffel View Post
    BATFE "MIGHT" have a different view. They make their own rules just like TSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar10ar15man View Post
    i disagree with your opinion.
    the adapter can be used for several legal applications,
    like what? I cannot think of anything more likely than the oil filter suppressor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar10ar15man View Post
    following your train of thought..a threaded bbl would be a silencer...sorry..you got it wrong...
    there are lots of adapters out there and lots of threaded bbls...all have the potential..but until the potential becames real life no batfe.......
    might is a big word..as in might not also...


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    Michael:

    So you not only an expert gunsmith but an attorney as well, versed on the intricacies, vagaries and complexities of the NFA and the regulations promulgated by the BATF?


    I'm sorry to say, that as seems to be your custom, you are simply talking out of your ass. With every post your sentences are filled with definitives and absolutes. You speak with the conviction of a man who knows that he knows all. You surely have the peace of a doubtless mind.

    It may be annoying when you proclaim your foolproof knowledge and expertise on subjects such as your cutting-edge, tier one sniper rifle project, but it's harmless fun to all (except perhaps the rifles being used in your experiments).

    But when you speak so definitively, so forcefully, on a subject so resistant to clarity as the regulations concerning suppressors and the concepts of constructive possession, you are endangering anyone who follows your lead. Legal experts in the field would never dream of speaking in such black and white terms on a subject so immutably gray. But then again, it's often the case that fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

    The subject is simply not as simple as you insist it to be. Especially given the countless bureaucratic and prosecutorial parties involved in any number of different jurisdictions. I wish it were not the case, but federal regulations seldom lend themselves to a simple, rational or objective analysis. It's less a science than an art. A prosody wherein the metre of the regulations seems more subject to the ever-changing interpreter instead of the faceless scribes who wrote those regulations years ago.

    Whenever I deal with the CFR I always recall the passage from Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass:


    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
    "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."
    Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"
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    dick...
    you too have just repeated why i ignore you....
    lets see
    you are from new york
    you like cfr like it runs the world....
    and your name is dick
    that should be three clues for most to ignore you patterings...
    go back to the collectors forum where your behavior is considered normal...
    try looking at the real world.......
    while i have spent many hours going over various parts of cfr...i specialized in banking, money, irs and nuclear power...it is not unknown territiory for me.
    its been BATFE for some time now.
    and yes i have some background in the world of suppressors.
    i have won aprox half of my cases....but my friends are glad that i never lowered myself to be an actual lawyer.
    oh and yes per management, i do respect your opinions, even when they are wrong as they often are.
    as with many, you ASSume too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard in NY* View Post
    Michael:

    So you not only an expert gunsmith but an attorney as well, versed on the intricacies, vagaries and complexities of the NFA and the regulations promulgated by the BATF?


    I'm sorry to say, that as seems to be your custom, you are simply talking out of your ass. With every post your sentences are filled with definitives and absolutes. You speak with the conviction of a man who knows that he knows all. You surely have the peace of a doubtless mind.

    It may be annoying when you proclaim your foolproof knowledge and expertise on subjects such as your cutting-edge, tier one sniper rifle project, but it's harmless fun to all (except perhaps the rifles being used in your experiments).

    But when you speak so definitively, so forcefully, on a subject so resistant to clarity as the regulations concerning suppressors and the concepts of constructive possession, you are endangering anyone who follows your lead. Legal experts in the field would never dream of speaking in such black and white terms on a subject so immutably gray. But then again, it's often the case that fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

    The subject is simply not as simple as you insist it to be. Especially given the countless bureaucratic and prosecutorial parties involved in any number of different jurisdictions. I wish it were not the case, but federal regulations seldom lend themselves to a simple, rational or objective analysis. It's less a science than an art. A prosody wherein the metre of the regulations seems more subject to the ever-changing interpreter instead of the faceless scribes who wrote those regulations years ago.

    Whenever I deal with the CFR I always recall the passage from Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass:

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    richard, bent and all,
    if you do some research you will find some very interesting info/mis-info.
    one company sells BOTH a registerable suppressor with a removable expansion chamber( oil filter) and a SOLVENT TRAP adapter.
    owning a car, would seem to cover owning an oil filter.
    owing an oil filter with an extra hole in it would be hard to explain.
    while they seem to work ON A HANDGUN, the 5.45x39 seemed loud, and...thier large diameter is detrimental to AIMING....
    common oil filter thread size is 3/4-16........in case you feel like making a solvent trap for cleaning your guns.

    all ya'all have a good day
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    Quote Originally Posted by ar10ar15man View Post
    dick...
    you too have just repeated why i ignore you....
    lets see
    you are from new york
    you like cfr like it runs the world....
    and your name is dick
    that should be three clues for most to ignore you patterings...
    go back to the collectors forum where your behavior is considered normal...
    try looking at the real world.......
    while i have spent many hours going over various parts of cfr...i specialized in banking, money, irs and nuclear power...it is not unknown territiory for me.
    its been BATFE for some time now.
    and yes i have some background in the world of suppressors.
    i have won aprox half of my cases....but my friends are glad that i never lowered myself to be an actual lawyer.
    oh and yes per management, i do respect your opinions, even when they are wrong as they often are.
    as with many, you ASSume too much.
    mike in co


    Michael:

    I was wrong. I admit it. I made an assumption about you based on what you had written in the past. But after your latest disclosures, I see that I misjudged you.

    From reading all your posts and learning about your adventures as a sniper, I began to believe that I knew who you are. I realized that you really are a most interesting man.



    But now I learn that you are not only a master sniper/pretend lawyer who routinely shoots .5 MOA groups with your homemade 91/12 mn sniper rifle™ and wins almost half of your cases, but you are also

    specialized in banking, money, irs and nuclear power
    Nuclear power.

    I read those words slowly as my blood chilled at the thought of who I had angered. A man who specializes in nuclear power is not to be taken lightly.

    I now know who you are and I will not cross you again Michael.

    Or should I say Dr. Evil?




    Seriously, all good fun aside, I am going to try very hard to avoid wasting any more time with you. You have a big chip on your shoulder and you are a know-it-all. And it's a waste of time trying to reason with you. Take care and do be careful when playing with your nuclear reactor set.

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    dick,
    i never claimed to be a sniper..NEVER....
    i do regularly shoot sub 1/2 moa groups....that part is very close to correct...closer to .25 actually....i do a fair amount of benchrest shooting.

    one should not take comments out of context.....
    i said i READ CFR in those areas......'cause they were areas i worked/had interest in/ or some exposure to....

    i never claimed to be a LAWYER...they have nothing to do with right or wrong, innocent or guilt..they work for money to disprove the case against thier client with no concern for the clients innocence or guilt....no morals all money......not me.

    it is strange it has taken you so long to figure things out...i knew you were near uselss since your first post on my rifle...

    so maybe i am smarter than you...no not maybe... I AM...but not a big thing in your case.
    YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY
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    You guys gotta stop this fighting like kids. I'm from NY and silencers are banned here. The adapter would be a gray area if the right is person asked (like an atf agent). To your local law dog county or state the adapter would only be a chunk of metal without the filter on it. If it's assembled -- your going to jail because of our stupid laws. It would seem to fall in line with the idea of -- have a flare gun -- not illegal to own. Next -- have a 45 caliber insert that fits the flare gun -- not illegal to own. Put them together and you have just made a pistol and that requires a permit otherwise it will be illegal. If your in a state that there legal in --- the number according to what I've seen on youtube goes on the filter. I will attempt to find the videos to support this. You kids gotta stop acting stupid -- you both seem like highly intelligent people and your letting 100's of people see your in-mature and childish. Stop fighting and show people how smart you both are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shepard5348 View Post
    You guys gotta stop this fighting like kids. I'm from NY and silencers are banned here. The adapter would be a gray area if the right is person asked (like an atf agent). To your local law dog county or state the adapter would only be a chunk of metal without the filter on it. If it's assembled -- your going to jail because of our stupid laws. It would seem to fall in line with the idea of -- have a flare gun -- not illegal to own. Next -- have a 45 caliber insert that fits the flare gun -- not illegal to own. Put them together and you have just made a pistol and that requires a permit otherwise it will be illegal. If your in a state that there legal in --- the number according to what I've seen on youtube goes on the filter. I will attempt to find the videos to support this. You kids gotta stop acting stupid -- you both seem like highly intelligent people and your letting 100's of people see your in-mature and childish. Stop fighting and show people how smart you both are.
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    saw a home made design...based on Maxim design but modified.....to be a muzzle break.....
    but unscrew and wrap steel wool soaked around the cork screw shape, spray wd 30, screw housing back on....
    22 cal sub sonics...you hear firing pin hit the shell and a posh sound...
    take out the wool it was quite but a break...

    now to topic....if you can find a use, legal, or illegal.......anythings out there for the interested.....
    its your intentions, the paper trail, the involvement in something you shouldn't....leading back to you...your crime, your demise.....and oil filter will not clean that mess of the floor!

    i once found a Maxim silencer ser 34# i believe?....pre ww 1 in new condition... in a bunch of gun stuff given to me by a collector that was dieing...
    i was to sale his estate of guns.....long story short 7 months after he died and guns sold 5 weeks later....i was cleaning org. in basement found this Styrofoam container in bottom of all the stuff he had given me....?
    i dumped out the greased up tube and a brace of sorts?....i
    t was later what i believed to be a silencer?????
    what to figure on?....lots of things...is it real, can you keep it? do you want it?......no!

    my conclusion may surprise you.....i de-milled it in a press....drilling holes through it, not messing up the written info....
    99% perfect.......till then.
    i had it appraised and donated it to NRA museum in my name and the friend that died......wrote the tax free donation off my taxes.....not hiding any thing.

    i know many will shake, rock, roll.... I'm in no need for it, the legal trouble it would bring, its the law not to be broken ....nor do i have any uses for it......
    historically the museum said Hiram his self made, handled this one...
    they had the attachments to fit it on 03A3 but not the actual silencer....millions will get to see it now!

    assassins we are not....death dealers, no .... a novelty at most bragging rights.... yes the thoughts brighten eyes turn ears ....you couldn't even paper this one....too late.......if you go to the museum and see it....... you can thank me and my dear old friend.......

    as for the passion....arugments.....typying leaves out a lot of communication norms....a misused phrase a wrong tense, word, or incomplete thought ...causes misunderstandings.....defensiveness.....many hurt feelings......that would not have festered in face to face relationships, conversations....
    both of you are great guys with a lot of info to offer..........i offer peace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjk308 View Post
    Where would you put the serial number on a pillow?
    Seems obvious to me:

    Put the # on the tag that says it's prohibited to remove under penalty of the law ...
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    There is one guy that seems to have researched and written pretty extensively on this issue. Admittedly, he seems to have a vested interest in these things being legal , but he has some good stuff to say.

    "Solvent Trap Adapters Are Legal"

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    The oil filter would have a hole in the smooth non threaded end if it were a silencer.
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    There is an ad in the most recent SGN for these. Nicely anodized.

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    That's where I saw em today in my SGN, first thing I thought of was wow, that's a sneaky way of selling what people shouldn't be using an oil filter for. As long as the filter had no hole through it or powder residue in it, it's not a silencer, but the very thing they are selling it as, a solvent catcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGun View Post
    That's where I saw em today in my SGN, first thing I thought of was wow, that's a sneaky way of selling what people shouldn't be using an oil filter for. As long as the filter had no hole through it or powder residue in it, it's not a silencer, but the very thing they are selling it as, a solvent catcher.
    Exactly what I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony C. View Post
    like what? I cannot think of anything more likely than the oil filter suppressor.
    Wondered about it myself. It's been around 9 months since the question was asked. Coulda' had a child by now.

    Apparently it's a long list, taking an inordinate amount of time to answer.
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    smack boom.....the real silence begins after you hear the boom!

    shoot one ....its only silent at the source with standard velocity ammo...
    as the bullet passes every alley way, telephone pole, structure.....makes a boom...
    I am told unless subsonic ammo is used...but
    some questions still need to be answered
    why would I personally need one?,
    want one?.....
    get caught with one by ATF following up something else?...
    and sale list tracked easy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DK PHILLIPS View Post
    smack boom.....the real silence begins after you hear the boom!

    shoot one ....its only silent at the source with standard velocity ammo...
    as the bullet passes every alley way, telephone pole, structure.....makes a boom...
    I am told unless subsonic ammo is used
    The "sonic boom" of a bullet is a "snap", not a "boom", it is not very loud, because it emanates from a very small shock wave, and would have to miss your head pretty closely for you to hear it.


    RichardinNY.....................
    ar15 is obviously an expert not to be taken lightly or trifled with.................

    After all, there is, in this world, a college professor, holder of PHD's in Astro-physics and Philosophy, who is also a self-acknowledged expert in the use of explosives to demolish high-rise buildings, even tho he has absolutely zero actual experience in the matter.
    The fact that his opinions are completely opposite to those of actual experienced experts in that field serves only to show the ignorance of those experts.

    He may also drink Dos Equis, it is unknown.................

    Stay thirsty my friend...................
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