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06-08-2013, 06:50 PM #1Senior Member
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Japanese capture of Russian Mosin Nagant rifles
Have seen threads and posts as to how some Russian Mosin Nagant rifles wound up in Japanese hands, so thought this might be of interest as to just how far back such occurred.
I have been plodding through five volume “Reports of (American) military observers in Manchuria” during the 1904-05 Russo-Japanese war. It is a very lengthy read I downloaded for free to my Kindle from: https://archive.org/details/reportsmilitary00stafgoog and http://digital.library.yale.edu/cdm/...d/68663/rec/19
Occassionally some Japanese troops were seen with Russian rifles. but after the battle of Mukden and the surrender of Port Arthur, transportation troops were issued captured Russian rifles which they strapped on back of the seats of horse drawn carts and etc..
The observers delved extensively into minutia on all aspects of the war, and this includes the use of the bayonet by both antagonists. The bayonet was not a show accessory and saw much use, especially so during night attacks when combat was very up close and personal. The Russian’s always had the bayonet attached to their rifles and no scabbards to be seen worn by soldiers.
06-08-2013, 07:19 PM #2
06-08-2013, 09:01 PM #3
Very, very, very nice rifle Nwellons! Love all the early features!Bury me in southern ground, because in southern ground I belong.
06-08-2013, 09:20 PM #4
I spent time with an elderly gentleman this afternoon who has among other things an 1898 dragoon with a Japanese cartouche burned into the butt. Trust me, I'm trying my best to get photos.
06-08-2013, 10:37 PM #5
Photos? Get the rifle instead!
I have to think that this original matching, non-updated 1898 Tula made a detour through Japan, from Russia to the U.S.
Thank you for the reference, TANSTAAFL.
06-08-2013, 11:52 PM #6
Love these types of threads!!
06-08-2013, 11:53 PM #7
06-09-2013, 07:02 AM #8Senior Member
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A rare, intact Pre-1908 Mosin. Most of the ones captured by Japan in 1904-5, and the later WW I Mosins taken over by Japan at Vladivostok ( mostly US-made Mosins) were converted into "School and University training rifles"
SO that one is very "uncommon" with all its original 1891 features ( Flat rear sight, for Heavy RN Ball); "musket" type sling-swivels ( Mag. and upper Band) and No sling slots.
06-09-2013, 07:37 AM #9
And no crossbolt on either rifle.
06-09-2013, 02:25 PM #10
And no upper band sling swivel on mine, which is correct. The swivel was dropped in the 1896 to 1898 period, and a sling with a front "hook" was used to hang on the front band screw.
But aside from that, Doc, yes. These (likely) Japanese captures rarely survived entirely intact, or escaped training rifle alterations.
06-10-2013, 10:49 AM #11
06-10-2013, 06:16 PM #12Gold Bullet Member
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Hi, DocAV- do you have any of the US-made Japanese trainers in your collection? I am looking for examples of same for an investigation into their history. Thanks. southridge
06-10-2013, 08:35 PM #13Senior Member
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In looking at the kanji on the stock, I see Chinese, not Japanese. Nothing there indicates Japanese ownership as far as my old eyes can tell.
06-10-2013, 11:12 PM #14
06-13-2013, 02:59 PM #15