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    Default 8mm ammo advice for new , not surplus please

    No news that our sport is experiencing great difficulty in feeding our firearms . Lately I've been looking at 8mmx57 Mauser ammo and I'm unable to even locate any US commercial hunting loads like Federal , Rem or Win soft points . Even the import choices are tough to find . I did see on the SOG site they have some new Romanian ball in stock . However I've read in this forum some are having trouble with this ammo specifically that the rounds are not allowing the bolts to fully close . It's being discussed in another thread in The Bunker .

    I have today located a small supply of Hornady commercial "Vintage Match" 82298 http://www.hornady.com/store/8x57-JS...Vintage-Match/

    Has anyone used this in their K98's ? Opinions other than the higher cost ?

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    have you thought about PRVI/PPU 8mm? Their other calibers (I've had some pistol ammo, some 30.06, and 303 from them) seem to work well for me.

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    Prvi is good stuff, can be reloaded as well.
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    I've used it before in other calibers . I agree it's good stuff . Thanks .

    In this case a local dealer has some Hornady available but nothing else at this time . I'm not going to buy a large qty , just some casual plinking . I was curious about this specific load .
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    Plinking with hornady 8mm?!? It is a 196gr HP-BT with a nominal velocity of 2500 fps, I see wasted potential about the plinking with the vintage match however it does have good brass to reload with. I plink with PRVI or wolf gold 8mm, the last two brands will be notably easier on the wallet. Hopes this helps!
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    My idea with the Prvi 8mm was shoot the factory load, then reload with the brass. Get on Aims list and they will email when arrived to stock.
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    Thanks guys . My plan is to reload and the Hornady brass seemed like a good choice . I agree it's not the cheapest out their but for me it's available tomorrow .

    I'll watch for some Prvi to become available though for future use .

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    Glad we helped, but also look out for wolf gold 8mm and prvi, both have very good brass.
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    Depends on what you want to do with the ammo. Plinking, hunting, or exc. accuracy at long range.

    I don't see where Hornady tells what grain bullet that HP ammo has. I doubt it is 196 grn. but I could be wrong on that.

    It is HP. HP for match shooting? Does not sound right. HP are usually lighter and faster than FMJ.

    The brass is good for re loading and Hornady in gen. has exc. ammo.

    However the mil specs thing they advertise on a HP bullet sounds like B.S. 8mm specs vary widely in milsurp ammo. So which ones are they talking about?

    So it depends on what you are wanting to do with the rifle and ammo.

    NO commercial ammo has ever come up to accuracy specs of the Yugo 196 grn. FMJ from the seventies or newer. In all of our years of testing many rifles and all ammo available in quantity on the market over the years.

    A GOOD reloader can come close with right bullet. But unfortunatly the 196 grn. bullets from the old German ammo from the thirties is scarce as hens teeth.

    FWIW. Most states require SP or HP for hunting. So options are limitied for GOOD ammo. It takes some work and testing to see what your particular rifle likes. THey are NOT all the same.

    Hornady in gen. should be good hunting ammo. But you MUST test it our for POI and consistancy from YOUR rifle. Not what someone tells you how your rifle SHOULD shoot it on the internet.

    People conception of accuracy varies widely. So specifics are needed when telling the accuracy stories.


    Also on a side note. Romanian 8mm is good for plinking only. It is not designed for your K98 or Yugo mausers. Most of it has a steel case, not a problem, with a light bullet, not compatible with short barreled Mausers.

    It has a hist. of being able to cycle easier in difficult rifles. Accuracy is pretty good for plinking, but not for serious work and for sure not for long range serious work.

    Most of our 8mm shooters use different 8mm for different purposes. Iffy stuff for gen. plinking, and only exc. ammo for long range work. To use exc. ammo for plinking is folly and a waste of ammo.
    To use inferior ammo for long range accuracy work is like jousting at windmills, a waste of time.

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    Why is romanian 8mm bad in shorter barrel mausers? I thought it was made to be used in the Russian capture mausers in case the Cold War went hot? And he clearly stated for help with NEW PRODUCTION 8mm, not surplus?
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    http://www.hornady.com/store/8x57-JS...Vintage-Match/

    The bullet info , velocity , etc is on their site . I believe it's intended to replicate a military ball load but with more precision . Most all match ammo has a HPBT design bullet . It likely has no expansion properties .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH7777 View Post
    Depends on what you want to do with the ammo. Plinking, hunting, or exc. accuracy at long range.

    I don't see where Hornady tells what grain bullet that HP ammo has. I doubt it is 196 grn. but I could be wrong on that.

    It is HP. HP for match shooting? Does not sound right. HP are usually lighter and faster than FMJ.

    The brass is good for re loading and Hornady in gen. has exc. ammo.

    However the mil specs thing they advertise on a HP bullet sounds like B.S. 8mm specs vary widely in milsurp ammo. So which ones are they talking about?

    So it depends on what you are wanting to do with the rifle and ammo.

    NO commercial ammo has ever come up to accuracy specs of the Yugo 196 grn. FMJ from the seventies or newer. In all of our years of testing many rifles and all ammo available in quantity on the market over the years.

    A GOOD reloader can come close with right bullet. But unfortunatly the 196 grn. bullets from the old German ammo from the thirties is scarce as hens teeth.

    FWIW. Most states require SP or HP for hunting. So options are limitied for GOOD ammo. It takes some work and testing to see what your particular rifle likes. THey are NOT all the same.

    Hornady in gen. should be good hunting ammo. But you MUST test it our for POI and consistancy from YOUR rifle. Not what someone tells you how your rifle SHOULD shoot it on the internet.

    People conception of accuracy varies widely. So specifics are needed when telling the accuracy stories.


    Also on a side note. Romanian 8mm is good for plinking only. It is not designed for your K98 or Yugo mausers. Most of it has a steel case, not a problem, with a light bullet, not compatible with short barreled Mausers.

    It has a hist. of being able to cycle easier in difficult rifles. Accuracy is pretty good for plinking, but not for serious work and for sure not for long range serious work.

    Most of our 8mm shooters use different 8mm for different purposes. Iffy stuff for gen. plinking, and only exc. ammo for long range work. To use exc. ammo for plinking is folly and a waste of ammo.
    To use inferior ammo for long range accuracy work is like jousting at windmills, a waste of time.
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    I usually try to avoid US loaded commercial 8mm of ALL types because of the fact that it is going to be loaded to where it isn't going to blow up a 1888 Commission Rifle. Power wise, you would likely do as well with a .30/30.

    I figure you would do better than going with US 8mm commercial ammo from about any manufacturer by rolling your own. THEN, you have total control over what you are actually shooting, and do not have to guess.

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    I missed the thread were the OP said he was just into casual plinking.

    In that case all I said is moot.

    Dang, for plinking there cheaper options.

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    Most places I see are back ordered on the cheaper options . I'm not buying cases , just a few boxes . A few dollars more for US made ammo won't tear me up to badly .
    Quote Originally Posted by RH7777 View Post
    I missed the thread were the OP said he was just into casual plinking.

    In that case all I said is moot.

    Dang, for plinking there cheaper options.
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