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    Default Where is all the WWII era/dated 7.62x54r rounds?

    You can find WWII stamped German ammo at the drop of a hat. Even American ammo of the era. But where is all the Russian rounds from the war that were not used?
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    I see a fair amount of 1947 floating around, and have shot some of it. Saw a crate with a wartime date on it once at a flea market, but no ammo left in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    You can find WWII stamped German ammo at the drop of a hat. Even American ammo of the era. But where is all the Russian rounds from the war that were not used?
    Iron Curtain. Nothing left.

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    I think they fired it about as quickly as it was made!

    Since they used the same round for years, any "left overs" were used up.
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    Does anyone have any? I've never even SEEN WWII Soviet ammo I don't think.
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    I have 300 rounds of 1945 dated ammo on strippers in the cardboard boxes for the ammo pouches. It's out there, just not super common. A bunch came in a couple years ago... AIM had it.
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    I still see silver/gray spam cans of the WWII stuff on stripper clips at local gun shows. It comes in individually wrapped cardboard boxes similar to this one on Ted's site.

    http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/AP0061.jp
    g. Though, that box appears to be WWI.

    I probably have about 100-150 rounds lying around somewhere that I haven't shot. I haven't seen it online since AIM had it.

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    I have a bunch from '89, '83, '77,'71 and ... 5 loose rounds from 1943. I have no idea where they came from. They came with a rifle I bought and the guy who sold it to me had gotten them with the rifle and I assume it just goes on from there.


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    Soviets probably rotated a lot of it out to various cold
    War fights - Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, various african and central american tyrants as well as stocking warsaw pact
    client states before they began their own production

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Teacher View Post
    I still see silver/gray spam cans of the WWII stuff on stripper clips at local gun shows. It comes in individually wrapped cardboard boxes similar to this one on Ted's site.

    http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/AP0061.jp
    g. Though, that box appears to be WWI.

    I probably have about 100-150 rounds lying around somewhere that I haven't shot. I haven't seen it online since AIM had it.

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A76254SC&name=Russian+7.62x54R+o n+Mosin+Chargers+300rd+can&groupid=40

    Was that WWII or post-WWII. Looks to be post-WWII by few years. The Armory had mid to late 40s dated crates for about $130 shipped for the longest time. It all dried out when SH panic set in.

    The older crate I got from The Armory was 1946 dated.

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    I didn't end up buying any from AIM at the time, so I'm not sure. The tin in the photo looks to be 1947, so at least some was probably after. The stuff I picked up at gun show was in the same style tin and cardboard boxes and dated early to mid 43 or 44. I'll look when I get back home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    You can find WWII stamped German ammo at the drop of a hat. Even American ammo of the era. But where is all the Russian rounds from the war that were not used?
    Inside the graves of dead Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller Tyme View Post
    Inside the graves of dead Germans.
    Poor Wehrmacht
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    I've been collecting over 30 years and its tough to come by. I think all if the answers above are part of the issue and the fact it was never imported here in any numbers previously. I have serval hundred rounds of pre war ammo from the teens to the 30s and maybe the same amount of 41-45. It's just not around and mostly collector packs of 1-5 here and there. I found one guy who had two big zip locks of it and bought both containing 20-44 dates with many in rough shape as the primers were corroding.
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    If you think WWII stuff is hard to find (and it is), try looking for WWI dated Russian ammo. Nwellons has some, but I've never seen any in person. I have several other countries' rounds from WWI, and even a German made 7.62x54R from 1917, but no Russian made. I've only seen WWII Soviet 54R a few times, in small lots.
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    exported to un civil actions.....after the war?

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    I would love to see pics of WWI or WWII Russian ammo
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    Is it all headstamp marked? I know some of the tok 7.62x25 has no headstamp during some wartime years. I have some of these Tok rounds, mixed in with some late 1940s soviet and 1950-53 North Korean......
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    Strangely, I have about 20 rounds of 12.7 Soviet API dated 44 but not a single round of WW2 dated 7.62x54 of any kind. I ordered a couple of the AIM crates, but they were postwar by a year or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgl3945 View Post
    Strangely, I have about 20 rounds of 12.7 Soviet API dated 44 but not a single round of WW2 dated 7.62x54 of any kind. I ordered a couple of the AIM crates, but they were postwar by a year or so.
    Yep, it's not that hard to find WWII dated 12.7, maybe easier than 54R in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    You can find WWII stamped German ammo at the drop of a hat. Even American ammo of the era. But where is all the Russian rounds from the war that were not used?
    During the cold war Soviets handed most of it off to the Chinese, North Koreans, North Vietnamese, Cuba, and most any commie revolutionary group who wanted to stick their finger in Uncle Sam's eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL View Post
    During the cold war Soviets handed most of it off to the Chinese, North Koreans, North Vietnamese, Cuba, and most any commie revolutionary group who wanted to stick their finger in Uncle Sam's eye.
    Been 68 yrs since WWII ended, the ammo got used in the above drama's , probably little remains

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    There are still lot of war made ammo in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus where it's illegal to possess it unless you have a rifle with this caliber. It's well hidden from the police and stored "just for the case" . So no chances of getting it here.

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    I have a small stockpile of 1946 54r.
    Its as good as the day it was made and my Dragunov loves it.

    I have seen some 1945 in quantity to. Nothing earlier than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    You can find WWII stamped German ammo at the drop of a hat. Even American ammo of the era. But where is all the Russian rounds from the war that were not used?
    You brought up a good question . . . and it made us cognizant of the proliferation and popularity of the 7.62x54r round in the decades after WW II.

    Germany being disarmed after WW II could be a factor with its 8 mm ammo being available. The 8 mm Mauser round being rendered obsolete could also be a factor . . . while the 7.62x54r round was kept in active military service, and hence, being actively used in military training, exercises, combat conflicts, and for export.

    It just came to mind that the sizeable standing Red Army along the Sino-Soviet border may have also necessitated keeping large quantities of the 7.62x54r round in reserve to keep the PKM machine guns fed . . . the thought of over three-quarters of a million Chinese troops on the border . . . I'd keep a lot of ammo in reserve. Plus, the Dragunov rifle also required a diet of the same round, too.

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    That post war ammo, the '46/'47 I had a case of that stuff and it was utter garbage. remarkably innaccurate, split necks and then hang fires. I sold it off locally.

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    Agree with TANSTAAFL.
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    I've got 75 or so rounds of Finnish 7.62x54r. It came in a mix of other stuff, and is a variety of 1930s dates. I guess it's from an old import....

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    various distributors have had in the last few years.
    buymilsurp.com had early roundnose milsurp awhile back iirc

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    Gravel....horilka, othres I agree with the reasoning, logic...and possibilities here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    I've got 75 or so rounds of Finnish 7.62x54r. It came in a mix of other stuff, and is a variety of 1930s dates. I guess it's from an old import....
    I have Finnish too, but that isn't Russian.



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    Not the same as the rifle rounds,
    Just an FYI, checked some of the tok rounds are dated 44-45, some are blank (which apparently after some research means they may be prior to full scale issuance of subguns in large numbers) and some 50-53 North Korean.

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    Got a tin of '46 on clips from AIM. Have a handful of '40 API but lord knows how that got here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    You can find WWII stamped German ammo at the drop of a hat. Even American ammo of the era. But where is all the Russian rounds from the war that were not used?
    It was all sent downrange.

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    I had a can of 1945 7.62x54R. It was in great shape and I never opened it. I sold it at a ridiculously low price.

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    I found a few packs of 1945 dated ammo a few years back at a LGS. Must be from when AIM had them. Anyway, think I got three packs. Opened one and loaded 5 rounds and fired.

    Was garbage. All were hang fires, all split the cases all the way to the rim and I basically didn't trust it anymore.

    Still got the two packs plus 15 rds loaded on period stripper clips in my WW2 display.

    I also have a single round of 1923 dated 7.62x54r.

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    I have a bunch of ww2 dated 7.62x54r, most of it seems to be 1945, which would make sense. I'd think all ammo made in 1942, 1943, etc would have been immediately used. But ammo made in mid-1945 + could have been put directly into storage, then sold off decades later.

    I view it as collectible ammo, to be displayed with various wartime mosins. There is plenty of other ammo available on the market to shoot

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    I always assumed what wasn't used in Russian postwar training and sent in support of their 'brothers in the revolution' (Warsaw Pact countries, China, etc) got used up in the various 'wars of liberation' that were going on.

    Anything left after that very likely 'aged out' in storage, and the Soviet Union not having any real markets to sell the stuff to, was probably scrapped.

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    I have a full stripper clip of very old x54r ammo, a few rounds are Tula made in 1926. All are cupro nickel jacketed. I found it in my uncles stuff when he passed, he might have brought it back from Korea in 1952 or maybe got it later from one of the NG guys that was in Vietnam.

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    Earliest I have is some of that 46 dated stuff, I still have a sealed tin of it.

    That's good stuff too, I wish I had more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    I've got 75 or so rounds of Finnish 7.62x54r. It came in a mix of other stuff, and is a variety of 1930s dates. I guess it's from an old import....
    I have 5 boxes of the same stuff. Marked 'repacked' One box is open and it's russian mixed 30's dated yellow ball. I think there is one '27 round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brcampbe View Post
    I have 300 rounds of 1945 dated ammo on strippers in the cardboard boxes for the ammo pouches. It's out there, just not super common. A bunch came in a couple years ago... AIM had it.
    I had a tin of the same stuff. Fired with a ever so slight ignition hesitation - but otherwise was fine.

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    Some WWII Soviet stuff came through Finland (Interarms) in the 1950s, ( if the Finns didn't want it, it must have been bad.). The Rest was used up by (1) Eastern Bloc Nations before their own factories got into 7,62 Production,(2) by Red China (in 1945-49 Revolution) (3) by North Korea ( 1945-1950s) (4) etc,etc,etc.

    As to WWI Imperial Russian ammo, a lot is still in the Mud of Ypres ( several Divisions of Germans there were armed with MNs and Maxims M1910 a lot of ammo went to Turkey as well (Both "Booty" and new Made Polte 7,62x54R).

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