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    And some more:

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    Long rifle No. 5732:

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    Long rifle No. 5877:

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    Long rifle No. 6440:

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    Even more:

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    Long rifle No. 6736:

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    Long rifle No. 6945:

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    Long rifle No. 7018:

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    Long rifle No. 7047:

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    Still not the last ones ...

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    Long rifle No. unknown26:

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    Long rifle No. unknown27:

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    ... because there are also some new short ones:

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    Well, but that's now definitely all for today, folks!

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    You can add mine to the list of long rifles : No. 6299, number-matching, unfired with matching bayonet and presumably original sling. Frankonia added their marking (FWW) on the barrel and a rather conspicuous 7x57 above the serial number which is on the breech.







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    Hello to all,

    I have a question about the sling : is this one an original one ? I have seen that there were a lot of German WW1 reproduction slings available and would like to make sure that mine is the sling that went with the rifle - the leather looks incredibly new for an eighty-year-old sling indeed and there are no markings to be seen on it whatsoever.














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    Yes, your sling is an original one. It's exactly of the same type like the one on mine - which is just 73 numbers older than yours. As you can see on the pictures, on my sling are some faint stampings, reading "98" - the rest is unreadable.

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    I did some research in Law's Backbone of the Wehrmacht and have come to the conclusion that the B stamped on the rear sight base of my Model 1935 may mean that the base is the same as the one used on the Karab98b, in the same way as the K marking found on 1934 "pre-adoption" K98ks indicated that the rear sight base of these rifles was specifically designed for the new Karabiner version.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringer View Post
    I did some research in Law's Backbone of the Wehrmacht and have come to the conclusion that the B stamped on the rear sight base of my Model 1935 may mean that the base is the same as the one used on the Karab98b, in the same way as the K marking found on 1934 "pre-adoption" K98ks indicated that the rear sight base of these rifles was specifically designed for the new Karabiner version.
    Interesting theory, however in my (German) edition of Law's book I couldn't find any hint concerning the "B" marking and its possible connection with the K98b. Maybe it simply denotes "Brazil"?
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    I am only extrapolating from Law's data : fig. # 28 of the Canadian version of his book. I don't seem to remember that Law even went so far as to mention our Model 1935.
    If we could check for the presence of this B marking on a K98b, the question would be settled.
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    The B is much more likely for Brazil. From what I can see the K98b had a S and Ss Mark on the rear sight base, but not a B. Also the B would be a lower case b. Lastly the uppercase B can be found on stocks of 1908 Brazilian Rfiles so it is much more likely the B is for Brazil.

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    So, in that case, am I right to assume that the rear sight base of our Model 1935 was specifically built for it ? On the whole, the rear sight does look the same as the standard K98k one, which is the reason why I wondered why Mauser would have stamped a specific marking there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringer View Post
    So, in that case, am I right to assume that the rear sight base of our Model 1935 was specifically built for it ? On the whole, the rear sight does look the same as the standard K98k one, which is the reason why I wondered why Mauser would have stamped a specific marking there.
    I don't know if it was specifically built for it, but I believe the B is for Brazil. I don't know for sure. The B definitely isn't for K98b.


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    I have just noticed the presence of a tiny Weimar-eagle Waffenamt 63 on the side of the rear sight slide - is that normal, or should I suspect the slide on the rear sight is not original ? Apparently, Waffenamt 63 was used at Oberndorf from 1936 to 1939.

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    The M1935s made for Brazil were all stamped with the old Imperial German-style civilian proof marks (crown over B, crown over U and so on). So NO Weimar eagle, eagle with swastika or WAA stampings are correct on these rifles.
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    I must say that Waffenamt puzzles me, as the rear sight is in excellent condition and a replacement of its slide seems unlikely. Could you check your Model 1935 for this Waffenamt ? It is barely visible and the only way I was able to read it was by magnifying the photo I had taken - well, I'm past fifty now...

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    Mine has it as well and you don't need a magnifier to see it.

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    I just checked mine and there is definitely no such stamping. A possible explanation for this stamping might be that during M1935 production the Mauser works may once have experienced a shortage of (unstamped) Brazilian rear sight slides and thus simply used stamped (but otherwise identical) ones from the K98k production - in this case it would be the original condition, of course. However, it is a known fact that the CIVIL stampings of the Brazilian M1935s (and other rifles sold by Mauser to foreign governments in the same time frame) were deliberately chosen for certain political reasons - thus it is hard to believe, that they were allowed to be mixed with any military stampings on these rifles. And the Germans normally try to follow the rules pretty strictly.

    But on a very early production (s/n 478) long M1935 I bought recently I found this stamping on the underside of the rear sight leaf:

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    Plus, I received interesting information from the Mauser expert Jon Speed. He explained to me that there is a crucial difference between the rear sights of a Kar 98b and a Brazilian M1935. While the K 98b has a removable curve bed, the Brazilian M1935 doesn't have this feature. Thus it is pretty unlikely that the "B" denotes "Kar 98b" - according to Jon the meaning is most likely "Brazil".
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    Could the stamping on your rear sight leaf be a pre-Waffenamt one ?

    The Weimar-eagle/63 Waffenamt was in use at Oberndorf from 1936 to 1939, right at the time when these rifles were produced and at the exact same place - I very much doubt that this is a mere coincidence.

    If other M1935s bear such Waffenamt stamps, it would be of some interest to know whether they are also Weimar-eagle/63 and also to pin down the batches which made use of already stamped K98k parts - mine is long rifle SN 6299.
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    For the sake of comparison, the Weimar-eagle/63 stamp on the rear sight slide bar of my Yugo-captured (?) K98k :



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    Although the receiver of my (possibly) Yugo K98k is a 1937 Mauser-made one (S/42 code), there is no telling whether the rear sight was made in 1937 as well. My personal guess is that it was a later production, as the Weimar eagle on it is different from the one on the M1935 : 1938 or 1939 ?



    Two slightly different Weimar-eagle/63 stamps on the same rear sight leaf ! I suppose that the year of production of M1935s might be determined or confirmed thanks to these eagles.



    M1935 vs K98k : very similar or identical receivers - both made at Oberndorf in 1937.



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    My Brazilian M1935 has the s/n 6226 and thus is just 73 rifles "older" than yours. The factory test target of my rifle is dated April 9, 1937, and it is reasonable to assume that yours was produced at about the same time, maybe even on the same or next day - as you can see by the so-called "Laufende Nr.", they test-fired 80 or more rifles each day (that number started at "1" again each day).

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    Jon Speed sent me some more information indicating that the Mauser Works might indeed occasionally have used (interchangeable) parts from Wehrmacht contracts on foreign contract rifles if such parts were in short supply. So it can't be ruled out that a "Waffenamt"-stamped part on a Brazilian M1935 might well be the original, factory-applied part, despite the civilian proof marks generally used on these rifles.
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    I found yesterday while exploring the K98 forum a photo of a 1937 Mauser-made K98k bearing exactly the same Weimar-eagle/63 stamp as my M1935, so its rear sight slide is coherent with a rifle produced in 1937 at Oberndorf.

    Were our M1935s tested just after having been completed ? As these rifles were called Modell 1935 I was wondering whether the very first ones had been made in 1935 or, on the contrary, if the name of these South American contract rifles had been kind of "standardized".
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    The Brazilian M1935s were built in two series - the first in 1935, consisting of 3,000 long rifles and 1,000 short rifles, the second in 1937, consisting of another 4,000 long rifles. But irrespective of the exact year of production the designation was always "Model 1935". The time frames stipulated by the contracts with Brazil were pretty narrow, so the rifles were produced, tested, packed and shipped as fast as possible. These details I already pointed out in post #41 of this thread.
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    Add 1470 in VG condition, nice bluing and stock.

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    I keep seeing M-35 bayonet pics with "only bayonet known". Are they that scarce, dare I say rare? Inquiring minds need to know.

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    I think you misunderstood what was meant by 'only bayonet known' : the rifle that went with the bayonet has not been recorded for the time being, so its serial number is known from that of the bayonet only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringer View Post
    I think you misunderstood what was meant by 'only bayonet known' : the rifle that went with the bayonet has not been recorded for the time being, so its serial number is known from that of the bayonet only
    That's correct.
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    Hi folks, newbie here, so thanks in advance for any responses. There is a M1935 on GB now, listed as "8mm".
    1.. Is this legit? How did it come to be vs 7mm?
    2.. Is the 8mm more collectible?
    3.. Is the 8mm more desirable in some way other than as collectibility?

    I'd like a M1935 and M1908 some day...

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    Never heard of, let alone seen, a Brazilian Mauser M1935 in cal. 8mm. So I guess this is simply a typing error in the GB description. That rifle looks all original to me, but due to the condition of e.g. the butt plate it is way too expensive. 1000 $ would be the absolute maximum here IMO. Here in Germany a long Brazilian M1935 with matching bayonet in that condition typically sells at about 800 € at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7x57 View Post
    Never heard of, let alone seen, a Brazilian Mauser M1935 in cal. 8mm. So I guess this is simply a typing error in the GB description. That rifle looks all original to me, but due to the condition of e.g. the butt plate it is way too expensive. 1000 $ would be the absolute maximum here IMO. Here in Germany a long Brazilian M1935 with matching bayonet in that condition typically sells at about 800 at best.
    I agree the price is too high. Thus why it has been sitting unsold. However today here it would likely fetch $1,500. I've seen them go as high as $2,200 recently with matching bayonet. If Classic listed that particular one for sale they could likely sell it for $2k. I believe the 8mm is simply a typo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt14k View Post
    I agree the price is too high. Thus why it has been sitting unsold. However today here it would likely fetch $1,500. I've seen them go as high as $2,200 recently with matching bayonet. If Classic listed that particular one for sale they could likely sell it for $2k. I believe the 8mm is simply a typo.

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    Thank you all for the learned responses... I sent the listing seller a message via GB asking to verify the caliber two days ago, no response yet... and yes, a lot of mullah for that specimen.

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    My 1935 deactivated long rifle No 1050 ,mismatching bolt
    It also have a S/42G stamped underside of the rear sight leaf
    The curved bed of this leaf is removable like the Kar98k and there is also a B stamped on it like the B on the ball of a Brazilian 1908 bolt

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    Well, a s/no. of 1050 on a long rifle - seems that you have another one of the few long rifles with s/nos. falling into the number block used for the short rifles (1000-1999). This is only the sixth (s/nos. 1050, 1250, 1425, 1462, 1523 and 1786 - i.e. scattered around the whole short rifle s/nos. block) such rifle I have found so far. Since the official contract for Brazilian 1935 rifles explicitly demanded 1,000 short rifles, it's only logic that there should also be any short rifles with s/nos. falling into the long rifle s/nos. range, but I couldn't find such an example so far...
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    Bought two more today (yes, they are that addictive)

    1. 1935 long rifle complete set in new condition, with sling, target, bayonet and muzzle cap

    serial # 6131

    2. 1935 long rifle in new condition with matching bayonet.

    serial # 7523

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    I am too lazy to take pictures today, let's say the light isn't that great.


    PS, the guy I bought it from had another one for sale, also in new condition with matching bayonet, but the stock was varnished.
    The serial # is 1876

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    Question:
    What is the best method to soften the stiff, tried out leather sling?
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    My choice was to leave the sling as it was, as trying to soften it would inevitably have resulted in dramatic changes in the way it looks.
    So I suppose you have got three of them now - that is really impressive, the more so as they are truly magnificent rifles : congratulations !
    I am looking forward to seeing more pictures !

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrniceguy View Post
    Bought two more today (yes, they are that addictive)

    1. 1935 long rifle complete set in new condition, with sling, target, bayonet and muzzle cap

    serial # 6131

    2. 1935 long rifle in new condition with matching bayonet.

    serial # 7523

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    I am too lazy to take pictures today, let's say the light isn't that great.


    PS, the guy I bought it from had another one for sale, also in new condition with matching bayonet, but the stock was varnished.
    The serial # is 1876

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    Question:
    What is the best method to soften the stiff, tried out leather sling?
    Congrats on a nice set of rifles. Is No. 1876 a short rifle (as to expect from the s/no.) or a long one? And of course more pictures would be highly appreciated....
    Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7x57 View Post
    Congrats on a nice set of rifles. Is No. 1876 a short rifle (as to expect from the s/no.) or a long one? And of course more pictures would be highly appreciated....
    It is a long rifle.

    Pics will follow soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrniceguy View Post
    It is a long rifle.

    Pics will follow soon.

    Thanks. So far that's only the seventh long rifle with a "short" s/no. I've heard of...
    Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    1935 carbine SN 1570, overall physical condition VG.

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    Thanks. Any additional information concerning accessories or maybe even pictures?
    Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    hi,reading the survey 2day,and noticed you have few of the early numbers. so just to let u no i have #31.a long rifle,with it's matching bayonet,and also #541,a long rifle with bayonet#616.both of these rifles have had little or no use by their appearance.pics not required;they look the same as the higher numbered long rifles.

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    Thanks, Frosty. M1935s out of the first 1,000 examples are indeed rarely encountered.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    I'm happy to say I finally joined the club this year. Thomas already has my serials, but to make it official

    Long Rifle = 478
    Short Rifle = 1880

    All Visible numbers are matching on both. I want to thank Thomas for all he has done for collectors and me personally.

    I'm still looking for a 1908 Brazilian at a reasonable price.

    Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

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    Just a question : what is the total number of Brazilian Mod. 1935 Mausers recorded so far out of the 7,000 long rifles and 1,000 short rifles of the contract ? Do we know for sure that all of these rifles are or have been on the civilian market ?

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