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    I have a Finnish reworked Russian made M91/30. It has what look like unit markings on the butt plate. I have attached pictures to ID the rifle and to show the butt plate marks which to me look like L. t. B. Ost. Does anyone know what these stand for? are they even unit marks?-thanks, Matt Scoble

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    Probably German as I believe that Ost is German for East. That buttplate may or may not have been on that rifle when it was marked. However, the Germans did sell a bunch of captured M91/30s to Finland in 1944. I don't know the meaning of the marks, but maybe K-H or someone else does.

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    Methinks that old buttplate came from a WW I era German-captured and re-issued Mosin that was later sold to the Finns between wars. DDR
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    It is not a Finnish marking for sure. I agree with the other guys that it is a German marking.
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    Very unconventional German unit marking, almost like a theater marking. Are there any other markings on the buttplate, say a large number over a smaller letter? Can you acertain by the Russian inspection markings the era of manufacture? It could also be WW2 era IMO, lengthy and non-standard unit marks are known on WW2 captured Mosins as well as Great War.

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    Looking at the butt I see the serial number138528 (which does not match the rifle which is otherwise an all matching with # 5593), a large number 4 and a stylized K. Stock has a Z arms depot mark.-matt

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    My guess would be Austrian, as this is a typical place the Austrians marked their rifles.

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    That butt plate marking has been posted about here before and they ended up saying it might have something to do with the eastern front or something like that. I also have that same marking on the butt plate of my M27RV as I noted previously in the prior post. I would love to really know what it means. The other rifle it was on in the last post was an M91 I believe and the more I think and wake up here I believe it might have been on Parallex Boards. I need my Tea sorry! Slept late after watching the F1 race from somewhere warmer than here! It was in the 20's again last night with snow flurries and more to come tonight they say! The last gasp of Winter I hope! Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebill View Post
    That butt plate marking has been posted about here before and they ended up saying it might have something to do with the eastern front or something like that. I also have that same marking on the butt plate of my M27RV as I noted previously in the prior post. I would love to really know what it means. The other rifle it was on in the last post was an M91 I believe and the more I think and wake up here I believe it might have been on Parallex Boards. I need my Tea sorry! Slept late after watching the F1 race from somewhere warmer than here! It was in the 20's again last night with snow flurries and more to come tonight they say! The last gasp of Winter I hope! Bill
    It was quite a F1 race from Finnish point of view! Kimi Räikkönen won and Heikki Kovalainen was the third:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemmy View Post
    It was quite a F1 race from Finnish point of view! Kimi Räikkönen won and Heikki Kovalainen was the third:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
    Lemmy I just hope I didn't wake the neighbors up the hill with my screaming! I drove open wheel formula cars and much else for over 20 years and my real love is F1 even with all the politics and intrigue. No Nascar today so I had to get an after midnight speed fix! He He! Bill
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    4 is the WW1-era arsenal at Cologne, and the K is the initial of the inspecting armorer.

    Quote Originally Posted by mscoble View Post
    Looking at the butt I see the serial number138528 (which does not match the rifle which is otherwise an all matching with # 5593), a large number 4 and a stylized K. Stock has a Z arms depot mark.-matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebill View Post
    Lemmy I just hope I didn't wake the neighbors up the hill with my screaming! I drove open wheel formula cars and much else for over 20 years and my real love is F1 even with all the politics and intrigue. No Nascar today so I had to get an after midnight speed fix! He He! Bill
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    One thing that is fascinating about the butt plate markings is that they have been on an M91, 91/30, and M27RV. That is certainly a wide selection of models for sure. I at first thought this was a person who had personalized his rifle, like Lt B. Ost. but that is obviously wrong for sure. Bill
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    German, Austrian, same difference. :D

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