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    Hello everybody. This is my first post. I have a Chilean Navy Mauser M1895 and I'm trying to find out how many there are out there. Kind of an informal survey of those that have them and their original serial number. There just isn't a lot available on the Internet about them. I'm hoping to create here a well of information for us to draw from. Also, if you have one please describe what configuration it is in, caliber (7x57mm or 7.62 NATO), numbers matching or not, condition. You know tell us about you rare little gem.

    I will start us off. My Chilean Navy Mauser is a 95/61, meaning it was converted to 7.62 NATO in 1961. The serial number is 318. I bought it for $50 from a guy who was selling his grandfather's collection for his grandmother. This rifle had been stored in an attic for many years. The forearm of the stock was broken and a piece was missing. The wrist had a couple linear cracks and the butt had drying cracks. The bluing had all gone to motled grey. She was in pretty rough condition when I got her. I have since replaced the stock and obtained a replacement rear sight slider. I have taken her to the rangeand put 10 rounds of .308 through her and she shoots 3-4" at 100 yds with off the shelf ammo. This was my first antique firearm and I refer to her as the "Grey Lady" of my small collection. I just couldn't let her deteriorate to relic condition. She may not be the finest example of The Mauser art, but she is mine.

    I forget to mention earlier that my Chilean Navy Mauser was made by Loewe. The numbers are not matching. The barrel is the 29" long rifle configuration.

    So your turn, tell us what you have and its story...
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    Please post photo showing why you think it is Navy.
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    Hello geladen, thank you for asking. I'm including the crest, a star over an anchor is the symbol the Chilean Navy used while their Army used the Chilean Coat of Arms. I have a couple other pics I would like to post, but I haven't figured out how to do that from the iPad I'm using, yet.

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    Hello geladen. Thanks for the request for a pic. I tried to respond with a pic of the crest, a star above an anchor, but it appears to be waiting for a moderator to approve. Maybe because I'm new or maybe because to image was in the text and not an attachment. I haven't figured out how to do attachments to here from my iPad yet. I just thought I would send a reply without a pic in the event the one with the pic gets rejected. If it didn't show up, I wasn't ignoring your request.
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    Hi 2mnydgs,
    Welcome to the Mauser Forum! The crest you described and the three digit serial number (without letter prefix or suffix) are certainly acharacteristics of a genuine Chilean Navy !895. I have only seen a few of these rare rifles, and they have had the features:

    1. The crest is a 5-pointed start over a large fouled anchor

    2. All have been refurbished, restocked and reblued. The butt plate was rebued but the bolt, cleaning rod and follower were left in the white.

    3. The stocks have also been sanded and text imprinted on the riight side of the stock may have been there originally.

    4. During refurbishment, repairs were made, and old mismatched numbers on the reciever and trigger guard assembly were neatly removed and re-stamped, and the stock was stamped with a crisp new Chilean start acceptance mark. It is quite possible that these may have been assembled in Chile from existing stores.

    5.The stock was renumbered (#119) where the old number was, on the left side of the stock, just below the receiver ring. Same for the rematching of the numberis on the bolt handle.

    6. I acquired my two from very large collections being auctioned as estate sales, between 1999 and 2008. The last owners died before they could pass on thier history unfortunately.

    7. Both were Ludwig Loewe patent models M1895 long rifles with the third locking surface.

    8. Both were 7 m/m.

    9. The second Navy 95 I purchased came with a bayonet which fit the the Mauser bayonet bar and 7 m/m muzzle ring perfectly. It also has a two digit serial number, 98. The bayonet however is the triangular bayonet for the 11 m/m French Mle 1874 Gras infantry rifle. All French marking have been removed or perhaps were never there. It was made in Solingen by Alex Coppell.

    Does your rifle appear to have been refurbished?
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    Thank you John Wall. No, mine was not appear refurbished like a Mosin does. I have a 1924 Spanish copy of a S&W M&P with better bluing. I think you're a lucky man, scoring your two (119 and 98). The receiver might have been reblued in '61, as it does not match the bluing on the barrel or the exposed part of the sight. I just looked at the back of the flip up sight and the bluing matches that of the receiver. I guess it's the high points that get the wear first.
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    Mine is #15, I pretty sure I got it from an attic outside Boston? I'll have to check it for refurb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2mnydgs View Post
    Hello geladen. Thanks for the request for a pic. I tried to respond with a pic of the crest, a star above an anchor, but it appears to be waiting for a moderator to approve. Maybe because I'm new or maybe because to image was in the text and not an attachment. I haven't figured out how to do attachments to here from my iPad yet. I just thought I would send a reply without a pic in the event the one with the pic gets rejected. If it didn't show up, I wasn't ignoring your request.
    As John said, your rifle is confirmed as Chilean Navy. Consider yourself lucky. I have only seen photos of the crest and I have never seen a Chilean Navy rifle for sale in either caliber.

    It does not surprise me that John has two. Here is a photo of his attic:
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    Thank you jabber. #15 is pretty low. Sweet.
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    Geladen, I wish my attic looked like that!
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    Hi Bill,
    Actually, I only have one now. The first one went to Jebber, as per his picture above. (No bayonet either).

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    Thanks for posting the picture. My camera is not working and I'd forgotten how low that serial number was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wall View Post
    9. The second Navy 95 I purchased came with a bayonet which fit the the Mauser bayonet bar and 7 m/m muzzle ring perfectly. It also has a two digit serial number, 98. The bayonet however is the triangular bayonet for the 11 m/m French Mle 1874 Gras infantry rifle. All French marking have been removed or perhaps were never there. It was made in Solingen by Alex Coppell.

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    Any more to that bayonet story?
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    Don't let geladen fool you. THAT is a pic of his attic. John keeps his collection in 75-80 guarded, climate controlled CONEX containers on some secret properties he owns.
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    I've never been in John's attic but I'm told he had a structural engineer in to do stress flow on it's floor to walls......

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    2mnydgs emailed me photos of his Chilean Navy M1895 converted to 7.62 NATO, which I have resized to fit into the Gunboards photo-postying standard:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jebber View Post
    Any more to that bayonet story?
    Hi John,
    No, nothing much. I just haven't taken the time to do the research yet. One of these days I will. I have all the right books in French and English, but there's always something in Mauser rifles that seems to take priority!

    My Navy rifle itself I got in 2009 from the second of the nine Bruce Stern auctions at Poulin's in Fairfield , Maine
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMann View Post
    Don't let geladen fool you. THAT is a pic of his attic. John keeps his collection in 75-80 guarded, climate controlled CONEX containers on some secret properties he owns.

    MMan: I've never been in John's attic but I'm told he had a structural engineer in to do stress flow on it's floor to walls.....

    Regarding the attic, the house is a well-built 12 room Victorian dating from 1876 which thankfully has a large walk-in space in 3 big rooms with flooring made of chestnut planks 18 inches wide. No CONEX containers...yet.
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    John, thanks for sizing the pics and posting them. I hope others will post pics of there rifles and help deepen the pool of knowledge about them.
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    John, now that is one sweet reference library. Wow. Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wall View Post
    Hi John,
    No, nothing much. I just haven't taken the time to do the research yet. One of these days I will. I have all the right books in French and English, but there's always something in Mauser rifles that seems to take priority!

    My Navy rifle itself I got in 2009 from the second of the nine Bruce Stern auctions at Poulin's in Fairfield , Maine
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    Hi John,

    Poulin's? I'm waiting on a delivery from Poulin's. A Shanxi 6-5 Infantry Rifle. That's a c.1929 Chinese made Arisaka Type 38 clone. Today I received from Ebay a Chinese (probably Shanxi) made unmarked Type 30 bayonet & scabbard to go with it.

    That's kinda like a Mauser ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wall View Post
    2mnydgs emailed me photos of his Chilean Navy M1895 converted to 7.62 NATO, which I have resized to fit into the Gunboards photo-postying standard:
    Beautiful crest. Cherish that rifle, 2mnydgs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMann View Post
    Don't let geladen fool you. THAT is a pic of his attic. John keeps his collection in 75-80 guarded, climate controlled CONEX containers on some secret properties he owns.
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    Not my attic. My collection is all in a much, much, much smaller room. Tight, but it's all in there.
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    Observe, two Navy Mausers, one a long rifle and the other one a short rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2mnydgs View Post
    Hello everybody. This is my first post. I have a Chilean Navy Mauser M1895 and I'm trying to find out how many there are out there. Kind of an informal survey of those that have them and their original serial number. There just isn't a lot available on the Internet about them. I'm hoping to create here a well of information for us to draw from. Also, if you have one please describe what configuration it is in, caliber (7x57mm or 7.62 NATO), numbers matching or not, condition. You know tell us about you rare little gem.

    I will start us off. My Chilean Navy Mauser is a 95/61, meaning it was converted to 7.62 NATO in 1961. The serial number is 318. I bought it for $50 from a guy who was selling his grandfather's collection for his grandmother. This rifle had been stored in an attic for many years. The forearm of the stock was broken and a piece was missing. The wrist had a couple linear cracks and the butt had drying cracks. The bluing had all gone to motled grey. She was in pretty rough condition when I got her. I have since replaced the stock and obtained a replacement rear sight slider. I have taken her to the rangeand put 10 rounds of .308 through her and she shoots 3-4" at 100 yds with off the shelf ammo. This was my first antique firearm and I refer to her as the "Grey Lady" of my small collection. I just couldn't let her deteriorate to relic condition. She may not be the finest example of The Mauser art, but she is mine.

    I forget to mention earlier that my Chilean Navy Mauser was made by Loewe. The numbers are not matching. The barrel is the 29" long rifle configuration.

    So your turn, tell us what you have and its story...

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    Hi All
    I have Chilean Navy rifle # 57, Loewe, 95 Action, 7 MM.Star over Anchor crest. condition is well used, good- very good.Complete mis-match, not renumbered to match. Mis-matched stock, is worn original finish with 1895 Chilean crest on left flat and ships name stamped on Rt. flat, " Blanco Encalada" over "50" in large letters. On butt plate tang its marked "B.E.C." over "3.C." over 241. I think I agree with John, that these were probably reworked and crest stamped in Chili.

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    Yours has a ship name, that is awesome.
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    Thank you. She is the pride of my collection. The crest is on the lock screen of my cell phone.
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    Hi, my Chilean Navy serial number is 370. From Col. Robert Edwards in 1999.

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    I have one too, not sure if it has a ship name though. bolt mismatched if I recall correctly but still in 7mm
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    Thanks Argentino.
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    Marzon, what is the serial number you rifle was originally given?
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    Not sure, I'll have to dig it out of the safe. I think it was 4 digits though.

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    Wow, I've never heard of one that high before. The highest I've seen claimed was serial number 450.
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    Its been quite a while since I looked at it so I could be wrong...
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    Quote Originally Posted by okrana View Post
    Observe, two Navy Mausers, one a long rifle and the other one a short rifle.
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    Hi Okrana,
    Many thanks for your information on the Navy rifles...an excellent find!! Is there any chance that pictures of the short rifle could be made? I wonder if there is any information on the conversion program in Chile?

    Are there any Gunboards members in Chile on the Mauser Forum?
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    I just happen to find one last week online. Don't know much about them. This one is in 7.62 and numbers don't match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Petrie View Post
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    I have Chilean Navy rifle # 57, Loewe, 95 Action, 7 MM.Star over Anchor crest. condition is well used, good- very good.Complete mis-match, not renumbered to match. Mis-matched stock, is worn original finish with 1895 Chilean crest on left flat and ships name stamped on Rt. flat, " Blanco Encalada" over "50" in large letters. On butt plate tang its marked "B.E.C." over "3.C." over 241. I think I agree with John, that these were probably reworked and crest stamped in Chili.

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    A small addition: The "B.E.C." might denote "Barco (Or maybe "Buque") de la Escuadra Chilena" or loosely translating it, "Chilean Fleet Ship".

    So far, 5 units of the Chilean Navy have carried that name; 1st. was a British-built armored frigate sunk in the Chilean civil war of 1891 (1st. military ship ever to be sunk by a self-propelled torpedo) and last is the frigate FF-15, built in the Low Countries and currently in service since 1993. That said, your rifle could have served in any of the other 3 ships, but probably did in # 2 or #3....my bet is for #2, a cruiser built in 1893 that remained in service with the Chilean Navy until 1945:

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    I just happen to find one last week online. Don't know much about them. This one is in 7.62 and numbers don't match.
    7.62? Doesn't matter.

    Mismatched? Doesn't matter.

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    If I may ask, as my google fu is failing me, were "regular" m1895's converted to the "nato" round. All I come up with is "safe to shoot" topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pennypal View Post
    If I may ask, as my google fu is failing me, were "regular" m1895's converted to the "nato" round. All I come up with is "safe to shoot" topics.
    Were regular '95 Chileans converted to NATO 7.62? Yes

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    I was trying to price them them out online, but I cant find a accurate number for this. Reason I ask is for my personal inventory, I estimate worth on each firearm.


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    I had a decent matching example. It seemed to have been refinished. Stock ser# was problematic as I recall. Sorry, can't recall # (maybe 28?), where I got it or who I sold it too?

    Value. Does not depend on number made but rather on survival rate which is probably small. In this case while rare, most are somewhat beat and/or converted to 7,62 which IMO tends to keep price down. I don't think I paid a big premium for mine(or I would not have bought it).

    OTOH, 20 or so years ago when I got mine we likely didn't realize how rare they were so their relative value might be higher now?

    If you have one be happy. If not, too bad because I suspect very few will be offered for sale? When offered they will ither be a sleeper or more probably be in a big auction. Only a big auction will tell their actual worth.

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    Very good thread on these rifles. I seem to remember a thread on one of these rifles several years ago on another forum. At that time nobody that responded (including myself) had ever seen one posted before then.

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    John Wall said in post #5 that all the Chilean Navy rifles he had seen "have been refurbished, restocked and reblued". He also said "During refurbishment, repairs were made, and old mismatched numbers on the reciever and trigger guard assembly were neatly removed and re-stamped, and the stock was stamped with a crisp new Chilean start acceptance mark. It is quite possible that these may have been assembled in Chile from existing stores".

    I saw a reference to a Chilean Navy rifle on Gunbroker that was made by DWM. This would seem to strongly suggest that the refurbishment was done in Chile to rifles previously bearing the Chilean crest, rather than a small batch with the Chilean Navy crest being made by Loewe. The highest reported serial number is 450.

    The fact that one carbine and one short rifle have been reported with the Chilean Navy crest supports the idea that the Navy scrubbed about 500 Chilean crests and replaced them with Chilean Navy crests.

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    I don't know if I buy it? Sometimes just too much speculation. I know I've done it myself, John and I would bat stuff around back and forth and often our, or usually MY conclusion turned out to be BS.......

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    Well, one thing for sure, we know the 500 or so Navy rifles was not an early Loewe contract (or early add-on to the big contract), since at least one DWM marked rifle is involved. And why would the Navy, getting only 500 weapons, get a mix of mostly long rifles with some short rifles and some carbines?

    John seemed convinced of the 'done by the Chilean Navy' concept. In post #34 he said "I wonder if there is any information on the conversion program in Chile?"

    The only other possibility I can see is a DWM contract of 500 combination long rifles, short rifles, and carbines made with the last of the Loewe marked receivers and the first of the DWM marked receivers. That concept includes multiple improbabilities, I think more than the 'done by the Chilean Navy' concept.

    Navies in general seem to be in competition with Armies and usually come in second. They tend to like to have their weapons and equipment Navy marked. Marines are even more so, being in competition with both the Army and the Navy. In Feb. 1992 I bought a 1909 Rock Island M1903 rifle with a barrel marked "USMC 43". It cost me $179.90 + $6.00 shipping from the importer, Fed Ord. Interestingly, it included an empty case fired in that rifle, as if to show that the low number receiver would not blow up.

    I can easily see the Chilean Navy getting 500 used Army rifles, rebuilding them, and replacing the crest used by the Army with a new Navy crest.

    But I am interested in hearing other viewpoints. I am waiting on delivery of a Navy crest long rifle and I am doing my usual thing of trying to find out every last bit of information available about it during the transit time.
    Every post I make is made with a request for corrections. I'm here to learn.

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