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    I have recently digitized a few photograph negatives and prints left by the Civil Guard and thought you might want to see a few of them.






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    Found also a copy of the first ever book about the Civil Guard in English. It was printed in 1923.




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    Very cool. Would love to have a copy of that book. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krieger82 View Post
    Very cool. Would love to have a copy of that book. Well done.

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    +1...where can I find that book, looks like an excellent read.

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    Thanks Mangrove!
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    Nice work. Thanks for digitizing and posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krieger82 View Post
    Would love to have a copy of that book.
    There's one being sold online for 35 € or around $40 by a Finnish bookshop.

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    I find the entire concept of the Civil Guard to be fascinating. Correct me if I am wrong. It was a militia force dedicated to fighting the enemies of Finland, foreign or domestic, was it not. It wasn't a Federal force, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa Mark View Post
    It was a militia force dedicated to fighting the enemies of Finland, foreign or domestic, was it not. It wasn't a Federal force, correct?
    The Civil Guard was an independent military-like branch directly under the Commander-in-Chief (the President of Finland) during the peacetime. However, in practice it was subjected under both the Ministry of Defence and Defence Command and received funding from the Government of Finland. Civil Guards could be used against civilians only when requested by the civilian authority and only during coup d'état, rioting or similar.

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    the photos were great!!

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    Thank you for the post. Most soldiers carry a bayonet that comes in handy for hand to hand combat. The chap in the first photo isn't taking any chances. He is wearing a very nice Nordic axe.

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    Here's an alternative version of the first photograph. Notice the pick and the two-man saw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    The Civil Guard was an independent military-like branch directly under the Commander-in-Chief (the President of Finland) during the peacetime. However, in practice it was subjected under both the Ministry of Defence and Defence Command and received funding from the Government of Finland. Civil Guards could be used against civilians only when requested by the civilian authority and only during coup d'état, rioting or similar.
    At the same time it was a voluntary organisation with only small number of hired personnel. Its role also changed during time in that sense that originally it would have created its own units in mobilisation, only after year 1934 the mobilisation system was changed in that way that there would be no Civil Guard units mobilised for the field army and Civil Guard members that were also reservists were mobilised to units of Finnish Army, Navy and Air Force. Originally it rarely provided other training other than infantry, but once maintaining and improving training level of reservists also became its main function in 1930's, its organisation was redesigned for that purpose with large number of more specialised units (field artillery, coastal artillery, anti-aircraft units, sappers, signal troops) being created and equipped (mostly with equipment loaned from Armed Forces). Before the war in addition of being a paramilitary voluntary organisation, Civil Guard was also the largest organiser for sports and other hobbies in Finland - it built sports fields, shooting ranges etc all over the place, organised sports events and even Pesäpallo (Finnish baseball) was originally created specifically for it to maintain physical fitness of its members. At the same time it also organised for example bands of musicians and arranged social events for its fundraising.

    Its services for civilian authorities were mainly to assist police if needed by providing additional manpower and equipment. In 1920's the Civil Guards that were located close to borders also spent considerable part of their resources providing help for Frontier Guard and this continued in lesser extent until year 1939.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa Mark View Post
    I find the entire concept of the Civil Guard to be fascinating. Correct me if I am wrong. It was a militia force dedicated to fighting the enemies of Finland, foreign or domestic, was it not. It wasn't a Federal force, correct?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    The Civil Guard was an independent military-like branch directly under the Commander-in-Chief (the President of Finland) during the peacetime. However, in practice it was subjected under both the Ministry of Defence and Defence Command and received funding from the Government of Finland. Civil Guards could be used against civilians only when requested by the civilian authority and only during coup d'état, rioting or similar.

    Grandpa Mark,

    and as things are never black or white, it is interesting to know that the Civil Guard, well more like certain Civil Guardsmen and especially officers of the Civil Guard than the organization itself, became domestic enemies themselves. There was a lot of far right wing thinking inside the Civil Guard, especially within the officers. 1932 far right nationalist pro-fascism anti-communist and anti-democratic movement called Lapuan Liike tried to perform coup d'état in Mäntsälä. They were supported by many Civil Guardsmen who were members or sympathizers of the movement. Luckily democracy prevailed and the coup d'état dried up. That was also the end of the Lapuan Liike movement.

    During the 1930s Civil Guard became more and more just a voluntary defence organization (which played a huge role during the wars) and the politics were ditched.

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    great pics and really good information on the history of y'all's country, Finland. thanks a lot for the post. i really like history and learning. so much could be learned by this that want to do away with our 2nd Amendment right if they would take the time to read and learn. thanks again.
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    This is not from the Civil Guard archive, but from the Finnish Defence Forces' archive showing two skiers being towed by a horse during the mid-1920s.


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    Great shot!

    Very interesting, kiitos!

    The Germans had a tow cable so ten guys, i.e. a squad, could be towed on bicycles behind a vehicle. There are also the famous photos of Weseruebung invasion of Norway where the cyclists/Truppenfahrraeder have ditched the bikes and are piling behind a Pzkw.I--all six feet of it--as the only cover from Norwegians firing on the invader.
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    Just fantastic stuff! Thanks for posting these. You don't see CG stuff like this too often.
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    Here's a pre-Winter War Civil Guard photograph (fu_641) I found from www.sa-kuva.fi. The soldier next to the camera holds one of the 1937 World Championship m/28-30 rifles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    Here's a pre-Winter War Civil Guard photograph (fu_641) I found from www.sa-kuva.fi. The soldier next to the camera holds one of the 1937 World Championship m/28-30 rifles.

    Well well, championship m/28-30 rifle indeed in action. Distinctive alpaca slab embedded into the side of the stock rear end seemingly gives it away ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    This is not from the Civil Guard archive, but from the Finnish Defence Forces' archive showing two skiers being towed by a horse during the mid-1920s.

    The scenery looks very familiar, I'll check whether is it from my neighborhood. If so, I'll take a pic from the same spot and we can compare them :-)

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    Neat picture of the MM 28/30. One of the most interesting pics I've seen for a bit.

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    Another MM, huh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Bear View Post
    The scenery looks very familiar, I'll check whether is it from my neighborhood.
    I believe the photograph was taken in Rakuunamäki area (possibly what is nowadays Kasarmikatu Street) in Lappeenranta in c. 1923.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    Found also a copy of the first ever book about the Civil Guard in English. It was printed in 1923.




    I picked up this book and have it. I can post the entire thing if anyone is interested. The (C) has expired. Very interesting book!

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    great photos. I like the one that shows the young guys pulling target sleds in the pit, any one remember doing it and posting MAGGIES DRAWS to show where the hits were at 300 yards? red a hit and white a miss.I did it in 1960 at FT. DIX. if you down load the book that would be great.

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    Cool pics. I like the one with the skiers being towed by a horse. Looks like the cavalryman has a sabre as well. Here's a similar pic. from Norway, 1909.Click image for larger version. 

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    i liked how the soldier was carrying the tea pot in post #12. eastbank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CH View Post
    Another MM, huh?


    Chau-Chau with AA sights?

    Somebody sell me a m/22 winter hat please....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    This is not from the Civil Guard archive, but from the Finnish Defence Forces' archive showing two skiers being towed by a horse during the mid-1920s.

    I've spent a great deal of time on a horse, and a little bit of time on skies, and I don't think the two should ever go together well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic View Post
    Chau-Chau with AA sights?

    Somebody sell me a m/22 winter hat please....
    Spoiler alert.

    Olavi Elo, 300 metre military rifle three position (3x20 shots) World Champion of the year 1937.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoots High View Post
    I've spent a great deal of time on a horse, and a little bit of time on skies, and I don't think the two should ever go together well.
    I suppose it depends on three things: the one on the horse, the one on skis, and the horse. If all these know what they are doing and cooperate, no problem.

    The Finnhorse or Finnish Universal is one of the unsung war heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic View Post
    Chau-Chau with AA sights?
    That is one of the AA MGs by Aimo Lahti, probably L-33. The sights are missing, the rear post is the axis pin of the horzontal drum magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Bear View Post
    The scenery looks very familiar, I'll check whether is it from my neighborhood. If so, I'll take a pic from the same spot and we can compare them :-)
    M-Bear, where is the reconstruction?

    We need to lend a horse and re-create this photo on the same spot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic View Post
    Chau-Chau with AA sights?

    Somebody sell me a m/22 winter hat please....
    Dragoon Militaria just had one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugelson View Post
    M-Bear, where is the reconstruction?

    We need to lend a horse and re-create this photo on the same spot!
    Yep, that would be fun to do. Considering the time of year, it could rise some attention. But in the case of somebody asking what a heck you guys are doing. At least, we could answer that we are heading to drinks at the Officers' Club situated right behind that knoll that can been seen in the pic.

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    Championships at Turku on July 4-6th, 1930.


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    A few Civil Guard photographs taken during the early months of the Continuation War in 1941 from sa-kuva.fi:

    Civil Guard's guard guarding Alkoholiliike's (Alko Inc.), the national alcohol monopoly's, warehouse in Helsinki in July 1941. He's wearing a Battle Dress 1937 uniform donated by the Great Britain during the Winter War (No. 22227).



    Civil Guard and Defence Forces' troops ready to sweep the terrain (for Soviet agents?) near Helsinki in August 1941 (No. 33841).



    Long-distance runner Paavo Nurmi and some "soldier boys" from Helsinki Civil Guard District's youth division in September 1941 (No. 42572 and 42573).




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    A few Civil Guard photographs taken during the early months of the Continuation War in 1941 from sa-kuva.fi:

    Civil Guard's guard guarding Alkoholiliike's (Alko Inc.), the national alcohol monopoly's, warehouse in Helsinki in July 1941. He's wearing a Battle Dress 1937 uniform donated by the Great Britain during the Winter War (No. 22227).

    Ive always found the Finnish use of Battle dress interesting. I know most of the BD tops were recycled as either wool or as uniforms for the Civil Guard. However, with army photos from 1941 you see a large amount of guys wearing BD trousers, especially in the parade in Viipuri.
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    I may want to go through my photos and find more weird stuff again, however this isnt perhaps the best place to spam with original photos of random bits of Finnish soldiers being redneck with their equipment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    A few Civil Guard photographs taken during the early months of the Continuation War in 1941 from sa-kuva.fi:

    Civil Guard's guard guarding Alkoholiliike's (Alko Inc.), the national alcohol monopoly's, warehouse in Helsinki in July 1941. He's wearing a Battle Dress 1937 uniform donated by the Great Britain during the Winter War (No. 22227).

    Neat he has a Swedish m/96 and expedient ammo pouch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Bear View Post
    The scenery looks very familiar, I'll check whether is it from my neighborhood. If so, I'll take a pic from the same spot and we can compare them :-)
    Yep, my visual memory serves me right. Found one winter pic from my archive and took today couple of more pics at the site. Judging from the pile of sands, apparently some kind of plumbing/sewerage system overhauling is going on at the moment there. The trees have been grown up within the last 90 years or so, but definitely the same spot as shown in the pic taken in 1923, which GB-member Mangrove posted (post#17) earlier. Pay attention to the pic#3, the silhouette of Sturmgeschutz III Ausfurung G can be noticed on the far left.

    Bugelson: Do you have horse(s) already lent and ready to go for reenactment…hmm… those sand piles… some mogul skiing skills may be required...
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Bear View Post
    Yep, my visual memory serves me right. Found one winter pic from my archive and took today couple of more pics at the site. Judging from the pile of sands, apparently some kind of plumbing/sewerage system overhauling is going on at the moment there. The trees have been grown up within the last 90 years or so, but definitely the same spot as shown in the pic taken in 1923, which GB-member Mangrove posted (post#17) earlier. Pay attention to the pic#3, the silhouette of Sturmgeschutz III Ausfurung G can be noticed on the far left.

    Bugelson: Do you have horse(s) already lent and ready to go for reenactment…hmm… those sand piles… some mogul skiing skills may be required...
    Wow - great detective work.

    I like your neighborhood, M-Bear! Guarded by SturmIIIs, men on horseback and skis with rifles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMCsean View Post
    Neat he has a Swedish m/96 and expedient ammo pouch.
    I have one of those ammo pouches. Now I understand why it is a tight fit for 7.62X53R. Two clips of M94 Swedish ammo fit perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CH View Post
    Championships at Turku on July 4-6th, 1930.

    Thanks Kiitos for all the great photos & magazine articles!!! I especially love this one - pulling targets [military or civilian] has always been one of my favorite events, seeing first how good a friend or fellow infantryman has done. "tic-Boom"

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