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    I have a nephew who is writing a report on WW2. Being a history buff he has decided to write about the small arms carried by the Navy ships in the Pacific. Does anybody know where I can find information on the type, caliber, and ammount od small arme carried in subs, destroyers, cruisers, battleships and fleet carriers?
    We both have spent several hours on the net, but to no avail.
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    I don't have much specific information about any given warship, but know several general points.

    1. Ships with aviators on board (carriers, battleships, cruisers, and seaplane tenders only, I think) carried .38 revolvers to arm aircrew. While some aircrew were issued US 1911A1 .45 Automatics in shoulder holsters, it was the norm for aviators to be armed with S&W .38 Special "Victory Model" revolvers. As far as I know, this was an issue unique to aviators, at least on shipboard (some Shore Patrol got them too).

    2). The firearms in the ship's locker controlled by the Master-at-Arms tended to be of the vintage of the ships first commission. So older ships often had REALLY old small arms--some of the ships commissioned in the First World War like 4-stack destroyers even had Spanish War issue small arms--Krag rifles, Colt 1894 .38s, and boarding cutlasses at the beginning of the war (because there was a shortage of small arms at the beginning of the First War, as well as the Second). I don't think any had Lee Navy 6mm rifles, but wouldn't be surprised if there were even a few of those left on the Phillipine and China station gunboats we captured from the Spanish in 1898 and were still using in 1941. And some of our Coast Guard cutters were REALLY old.

    Later in the war these tended to get replaced by later weapons as these old ships were converted to other uses ("fast transports," DMSs, etc). But even then some WWI-issue weapons, like Colt 1917 .45 revolvers and "Enfield" 1917 rifles persisted all through the war.

    The most modern small arms went to the Army infantry and airborne units first, then the Marine infantry, then everyone else, with Naval ships and the Coast Guard dead last. Not true in every case, I'm sure, but the general trend.

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    I was on a 50's vintage DDG in the '80's, and we had:
    M-14's
    M1911A1's
    M-60 machine guns
    pump Shotguns
    Two commercial double-barrel shotguns (rumor had it they were bought for skeet shooting off the stern so long ago no one remembered when).
    We also had some M-2 .50 caliber machine guns. They were mounted on the weather decks but I wouldn't be surprised if the GMG's didn't have tripods squirreled away somewhere.

    I'd expect that the marine contingents on ships large enough to have them would be equipped with standard marine issue. I was on a CVN when the marines came screaming past and they had M-16's.
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    Does anyone know what type of small arms might have been carried in WW2 german U-Boats (submarines) and in the german S-boats (torpedo boats)? I have always wondered and I thought I would put the question out there for you guys!
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    I don't know where I heard it, but I was under the impression that the only weapon on a uboat was the captain's pistol. I really can't imagine any other than that unless all other officers had them a well. I am probably wrong though! E-boats....I am clueless.
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    http://securityarms.com/all.html

    start there i know most guys i talked to had 1903 Thompsons 1911 S&W 1917 some shotguns
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyracer2 View Post
    Does anyone know what type of small arms might have been carried in WW2 german U-Boats (submarines) and in the german S-boats (torpedo boats)? I have always wondered and I thought I would put the question out there for you guys!
    You can probably get a copy of the exact inventory of the small arms locker from the U-505 from the US Naval Academy Museum, Annapolis, MD. The weapons were in the museum basement when I was there 1961-1965, and they allowed us to check them out and shoot them, provided we provided the ammo and cleaned the guns when finished. A couple of MP-40s fired a lot of surplus 9mm back then.

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    I always think of the movie "The Sand Pebble" with Steve McQueen...on the gunboat with BARs, .45's, 03's....
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    Quote Originally Posted by llsierra View Post
    You can probably get a copy of the exact inventory of the small arms locker from the U-505 from the US Naval Academy Museum, Annapolis, MD. The weapons were in the museum basement when I was there 1961-1965, and they allowed us to check them out and shoot them, provided we provided the ammo and cleaned the guns when finished. A couple of MP-40s fired a lot of surplus 9mm back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ol Duke View Post
    I always think of the movie "The Sand Pebble" with Steve McQueen...on the gunboat with BARs, .45's, 03's....
    I generally take movies with a liberal dose of skepticism, but the novel from which the film was adapted was written by Ricard McKenna, a career navy man who served during that era--and in the novel he mentions such weapons as BARs and riot guns. McKenna's fictional gunboat also had a Lewis gun. I believe within the past few years the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN had an article about coast guard sailors in WW2 which showed them using Lewis guns in combat in the Pacific.

    FWIW, I don't have the photo, but I've seen a picture of WW2 US sailors armed with Reising guns.

    I think 2520wcf has given a very good reply. I have a good friend who was a gunners mate (and a gun nut) on a navy LST during the 50s, and he indicated they usually had older stuff. He reported that his initial entry training was with the M1903 rifle.

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    I don't know what the practice was in the 40s, but my ship (Spruance class destroyer) in the 90s would ship all the small arms off to Crane during a yard period. Only after it came out would freshly refurbed weapons be sent from Crane back to the ship.

    We had M14s, M60s, M2s, various pump shotguns, and 1911A1s. I think there were also a few 38s for the Helo pilots. We received the Berettas in 1997, and the 1911s went back to Crane.

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