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    Quote Originally Posted by PourMeANother View Post
    I'll add mine to the database - 1937 wz29 11827Z. It seems to be mostly matching, other than the bolt, but I have no idea what the story is on it. It has a triangle with the SN on the handle, and an outline at the base with some "P.V." maybe, and some sort of image. The underside has an A in a circle. As for the rest of the rifle, there also don't appear to be any stamps on the stock, other than the SN, and it may have "W" "E" or something like that on the rear sling swivel, but it's hard to tell. No import marks that I could find, though I haven't disassembled it.

    If anyone has any insights on the bolt and/or possible background of this rifle, I'm very interested to know more.

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    Bolt is from a Greek FN1930. The triangle is actually the Greek letter Delta. The Poles did not number the front band, so likely a German modified rifle also. Most that ended up in German inventory (and survived the war) were worked on to one degree or another. The Germans liked numbering unnumbered parts for some reason.

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    The bolt is from a Greek contract FN1930 rifle.
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    Thanks guys. I knew that I had seen a bolt like that before, but just completely drew a blank on it.

    I also appreciate the confirmation that it was likely a German capture and rework. With the extra stamped numbers and weird bolt I had my suspicions, but I didn't see any WA's stamps on it, so I wasn't really sure.

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    Wz29 I was wondering how scarce / valuable are wz29 dated 1939, and with no German markings? Weren't most of them converted by the Germans to 29/40? When did the Nazis take over Radom? I have an all matching 1939 wz29. I'll get it out later and give you the info. Thanks for any info in advance. I just realized I already posted my info earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache c-10 View Post
    Wz29 I was wondering how scarce / valuable are wz29 dated 1939, and with no German markings? Weren't most of them converted by the Germans to 29/40? When did the Nazis take over Radom? I have an all matching 1939 wz29. I'll get it out later and give you the info. Thanks for any info in advance. I just realized I already posted my info earlier in this thread.
    I don't know that any WZ29 rifles were "converted" to anything. The G29/40 rifles were made by Steyr using parts inventory and incomplete rifles off the production line at Radom. Certainly there were 1939 completed WZ29 rifles captured by both the Germans and Soviets but they were used as issued.
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    I meant that some were marked on the side rail G 29/40 and others I've seen that we're already marked Wz 29 and have the wz stamped out and the /40 added. Thats what I meant by converted.

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    I'll add mine. Spanish Civil War WZ-29, S/N 89966P. Crest and all other receiver markings above the wood have been scrubbed except for the serial number, which appears to be lined out, and a Z in a circle. No model marking on the receiver. Barrel's serial number matches the receiver. Under the wood, the receiver and magazine have numerous marks and "lucky charms". Straight bolt from a Gew 98, numbered 3536 (safety and cocking piece are mismatched). Full-length hand guard.

    Pictures are posted on a thread I created: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...5-Polish-WZ-29

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    A few months ago I purchased what the previous owner referred to as a Czech Mauser and at the time I was not familiar to the numerous amounts of Mauser variants. Later I found out from one of the Czech Mauser forum that I have a Polish Mauser on a (what could possibly be) VZ24 Mauser stock. Sadly there is not a lot of information on the Polish Mauser and what I gathered I kind of piece meal together some information.

    Total and barrel length is the same as VZ24
    Bolt handle is turned down like the wz29 Calvary model.

    Hand Guard has the dowel rods for re-enforcement but not the stock.
    By the way the stock finish has been stripped.
    Front and rear sights are the same as wz29
    Barrel / receiver Serial Numbers are matching but all the other parts are non-matching.

    Receiver has been scrubbed expect for the Z in a circle on the right side.

    My question is based on the matching serial number on the barrel /receiver can the Rifle's year of manufacture be determine and does anyone know what the going price for this Mauser at its current conditions?

    Let me if the forum requires any additional information or questions. Thanks
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    Default thought it was czeh. found out it is polish, more #s for the data base

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      help me id this posible czech mauser with circle z and crescent moon markings

      recently bought this mauser and am trying to figure out what it is i think from all that i have been able to find online that it is a turkish contract mauser made in czech. any help is much appreciated.
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      help me id this posible czech mauser with circle z and crescent moon markings

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      Polish Made (Wz29) scrubbed by SEPEWE (Polish Gov't Military Surplus Organisation), sent to Republican (Socialist) Spain during Spanish Civil War...SEPEWE used "Circle Z" stamp to indicate their refurbed Rifles.
      Stock Butt Sling-slot Configuration and filled-in "Donut" (Bolt dismantling Ferrule) confirms Polish Origin. Also Serial Number layout.

      Bought from Spain in the 1960s by "Interarms" ( of Sam Cummings, once the World's Biggest "Arms Merchant") when they cleaned out the entire Spanish Gov't Inventory of Spanish Civil War and Later (1940s and 50s) Rifles.

      NOT Turkish, NOT Czecho-Slovakian. Sporterised beyond any Collectible consideration. Only a "Truck gun" or personal Hunting rifle. Hope you didn't pay more than $150.00 for it.

      BTW, welcome to the Board. This where one finds out what a rifle is (or was) BEFORE laying out the Cash. The RKIs here all learned the "Hard Way" in their youth.

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      so what about the script and crescent moon marks in the first photo,i paid $100 for it, i knew that it had no collectible value but i wanted a shooter, also the stock is not a matching number. in the 5th and 7th photos it looks like a c with a z in it, that would be cz arms in brno.




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      Dear jrmech,
      those "script" marks, are none other than factory inspectors marks, usually made "in-house" by FB Radom ( see triangle with lines inside it, on Side of receiver...If you search this Board, you will see a FB ( Fabryka Broni=="Rifle Factory") logo Key ring described. The crescent moons, etc, are all individual Inspector's ID marks, added as the receiver was machined and checked.

      Well, you got a very good deal, then. The mechanism is built in the best "Mauser" traditions and accuracy, it is chambered for one of the best Cartridges in the world, both for popularity and accuracy, and will serve you well for both Hunting anything in Continental America, and for just "Fun shooting" at the range. (or even "serious" shooting, and Handloading.) "The C with Z" is just a badly stamped "Z" in Circle, that whilst it is the Recognised "Zbrojovka Brno" Trade mark, is ALSO the Mark applied to Polish-made and SCW used Mauser rifles delivered by SEPEWE, as I mentioned earlier.
      This is because the Polish and Czech languages are of Slavic origin and related in spelling and pronunciations...there are many words of similar meanings in both Languages which are written almost the same...
      One Must noit Confuse "Ceska Zbrojovka" = Czech Arsenals, a "group name" for a State organisation, with Zbrojovka Brno, meaning "Arsenal (at) Brno" a corporate Name ( Government and stock holder Owned).
      We, in the West, tend to use the terms interchangeably, when we should indicate each entity by their Proper recognised name (as used in the 1930s, when Czechoslovakia was an independent republic); after the Coming of Communism (1948) all this changed,, with complete Gov't ownership and control of the Armaments Industry in the CSSR. ( they added "Narodny Podnik" ( Peoples Enterprise) to try to fool both the Locals, and Foreigners, that it was now "Owned by the People!!!")

      These days, with the Czech Republic as a separate Nation, the Trade Mark "CZ" still exists, and denotes a Public Corporation ( with State participation as well as private ( stockholder) ownership); it is rebadged "CZ-Uhersky Brod", UB being the Town ( Literally "Hungarian town") where the Factory etc is situated. The Original ZB in Brno, was converted to Heavy Machinery manufacture in the 1970s, and since Independence ( 1989-90), is now a derelict Bone Yard for old Military Vehicles.
      I visited (saw) it in 1993, from the encircling Rail Line from Prague thru Brno to Vienna.

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    In February of 2015, my Dad & I were at an auction, in a fire-hall near Avis PA, of an old long range target shooter/collector/re-loader/veteran's collection that the widow didn't know or care what else to do with. Some kid bought like half of the stuff, but my Dad & I did excellent for ourselves. We paid $35 for a 16" WWI US sword Bayonet for an 03 Springfield (worth around $350) & a Late War Japanese bayonet for about the same (est worth $2,700). The deals didn't stop there. We got a Wz.29 for $40!

    Condition: Slightly worn, dirty, frosty bore, rusty/crusty screws on the butt, rusty butt plate. The barrel under the stock is still a beautiful blue. It's only missing the whole bolt & the magazine spring. I'm trying to find new parts to make it work. My Dad gave me a beat up German receiver with matching numbered bolt for me to cannibalize the bolt & spring from. I have reservations about that. I also have yet to get the floor plate off of the German action... I'd rather find replacement parts later than separate a matched action & bolt.

    Details (if you believe me on the model just skip this part): The Polish weapon in question is in the of the Wz.29 configuration (ie K98a style front sight pattern, ~15cm of exposed barrel before the one-piece Vz.24 style H-type forward end band, a 42cm heatshield going all the way to under the receiver ring, a bottom & left side mounted forward sling swivel/rear band (like that of the Vz.24, but with a flat-head screw not a spanner head screw), a large receiver ring with no national markings/crests, sliding tangent rear sight is numbered from 3 through 20, asymmetrical finger grooves below the rear sight, milled trigger guard & floor plate, a bent wrist stock, a one piece bar sling mount ~8cm from the butt [like that of the K31], a bottom mounted sling swivel 12cm from the butt, a center mounted bolt take-down rivet hole 14cm from the butt...

    Markings: There are no crests on the receiver ring except for an "N" or a "Z" in a circle. The rear of the barrel has many markings. From left to right: a "0" above a "65," a "M" (or perhaps upsidedown "W") over a deep "I," a mark that looks like a "5" over a "small triangle," "X DCS" over a "sideways p," a small "mason-like ruler & compass" symbol, the number "27." It continues under the stock with "#" then that little "Mason symbol" again... I can't as of yet get the rear bolt out of the trigger/floor-plate assembly so I can't get the action out of the stock to see if there are more markings... Near the rear sight band is a distinct "" symbol which I believe is associated with Spanish Mausers.

    Serial Number: "44959." It looks shallow & like it was done by hand. It's not as bad as a Russian captured K98 as done with an electric pencil. The middle 9 was stamped twice.

    Conclusion: I think it was one of the sterile batch sent to the Spanish Communists. It could be possible that this "" marking is to disguise my specimen as a Spanish made weapon. It could also be possible that the reason it is difficult to make sense of Polish serial numbers is that they wanted for it to be nonsensical so as to throw investigators off the trail & like the lack of a national crest, conceal the origin of shipment of arms. Why did the Germans have Arsenal codes?

    I hope to put in a straight bolt because I like Mauser carbines like that. I aim to use it for my WWII Soviet Partisan impression I now do with my old Russian reenacting unit (don't judge, cowboys need Indians to shoot at & we have loads of fun). I figured a Wz.29 is a perfect Eastern Front Partisan rifle.
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    Your rifle with the scrubbed receiver ring and circle Z marking would be a Spanish Civil War veteran.
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    I am curious to find out what type of wz29 is this? It is located at a museum in eastern China in a terrible condition.
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    Looks like a polish 98az. and not a wz29

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    Quote Originally Posted by desdem12 View Post
    Looks like a polish 98az. and not a wz29
    Polish K98 according to the siderail marking.
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    Thanks. It does look like a 98az. what kind of extra information do I need to make sure that it is a 98az?

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    I compaired it with a Polish K98az and found that there is difference in the right sights. In my rilfe the even numbers are lined on the left side and on the other the odd numbers are lined on the left side. Here is a photo of my rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haibin View Post
    I compaired it with a Polish K98az and found that there is difference in the right sights. In my rilfe the even numbers are lined on the left side and on the other the odd numbers are lined on the left side. Here is a photo of my rifle.
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    That rear sight is not Polish, it is probably from a Belgian FN Mauser. A large number of FN Mausers were imported by China in the critical 1931-34 and 1937-38 eras.

    The markings on the receiver - the crest and the side marking - identify it as a Polish Karabinek 98 or K98 made at the Radom arms factory in 1929. No further information is necessary. However, we may note that the stock, handguard, rear band, swivels, and stacking hook are Polish also.

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    Thanks for the help from you all.

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    Default Another Polish Mauser

    Here are some PICs of my Polish Mauser. It is a nice rifle that has a matching stock, bolt, floorplate. I am anxious to learn more about it. Any and all comments would be appreciated. It does not have a bayonet lug. Looks like it was "deleted".

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    Quote Originally Posted by swartb View Post
    Here are some PICs of my Polish Mauser. It is a nice rifle that has a matching stock, bolt, floorplate. I am anxious to learn more about it. Any and all comments would be appreciated. It does not have a bayonet lug. Looks like it was "deleted".

    http://s745.photobucket.com/user/swa...olish%20Mauser
    Yours is a Polish Karabinek 98 that was sanitized for export. Nice condition. Too bad about the bayonet lug. You should be able to find a replacement bayonet lug from some parts dealers if you are so inclined. Restoring an original "look" could add to its value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryg View Post
    Yours is a Polish Karabinek 98 that was sanitized for export. Nice condition. Too bad about the bayonet lug. You should be able to find a replacement bayonet lug from some parts dealers if you are so inclined. Restoring an original "look" could add to its value.
    Bolt body is from a German K98a and is forced matched, not matching. Likely force matched at Spanish rebuild.
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    Thanks very much for the great info. The amount of knowledge here is amazing! I have looked for a bayonet lug but have never found one. I bought this in a package deal from an Estate with an Enfield and a M1903. Only really wanted the M1903, but the guy gave me a deal I couldn't refuse! I have read a lot about these rifles, but you don't see them very often. It has some evidence of rebuild. There are a couple of cracks in the stock where it appears that pins were installed and plugged with wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swartb View Post
    Thanks very much for the great info. The amount of knowledge here is amazing! I have looked for a bayonet lug but have never found one. I bought this in a package deal from an Estate with an Enfield and a M1903. Only really wanted the M1903, but the guy gave me a deal I couldn't refuse! I have read a lot about these rifles, but you don't see them very often. It has some evidence of rebuild. There are a couple of cracks in the stock where it appears that pins were installed and plugged with wood.


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    Thanks for the URL, but the one I have has a concaved top that runs the length of both sides and no indention in the center. I tried one like that and it would not work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by swartb View Post
    Thanks for the URL, but the one I have has a concaved top that runs the length of both sides and no indention in the center. I tried one like that and it would not work.
    Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Since you posted in the "Polish Mauser wz.29 Research" thread, I was thinking you had a WZ29. You have a Polish K98. I checked Numrich for a K98 bayonet lug but they are sold out. I checked for a German Kar98a bayonet lug which is the same but they are also sold out.

    You need to be looking for a part from a Polish K98 or a German Kar98a. You might frequently check both Gunbroker and Ebay. Also look for Kar98az. Some people use that when they really mean Kar98a. Somewhere there are leftover parts from stocks that were chopped to sporterize rifles.

    The Polish WZ29 takes the same bayonet lug as the German Gewehr 98, Brazilian M1908, and many other models. Numrich part #6680B. As a last resort you could cut the lug off a Brazilian M1908 part and weld it on to your part. It would have to be carefully aligned.
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    Hooah! Thanks for the info. Sorry about the post. I have my eye on one. A little pricey, but the effort required for me to weld and refinish is probably more! Thanks for the help.

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    Hello all, first Mauser in the stable. It's marked K98 but I've been told it's a wz.29, so I'm here to find out just what the heck it is. Here's some pics, just let me know what else you'd like pics of for identification purposes and I'll do my best.






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    Geladen get in here! It's an actual k98!!!
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    It is a K98 as marked. Whoever said it was a WZ29 doesn't know his Mausers. Also it is a Spanish rebuild, post Spanish Civil War. The A on the stock is said to be an Anarchist marking.
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    The stock and butt plate have matching #'s of 112891, the wood has the number pressed into it by the lower rear sling perpendicular to the length of the stock. Any idea if this was a Polish stock reworked or what's your take?
    Thanks for the info geladen!!
    On the WZ29, the person who made that comment was referring to the bolt being a "small ring Mauser 98 action WZ29. A Polish version of the German Kar98as of WWI fame. I have know idea what was meant by his comment. I've got a lot to learn on these fine weapons though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manic mechanic View Post
    The stock and butt plate have matching #'s of 112891, the wood has the number pressed into it by the lower rear sling perpendicular to the length of the stock. Any idea if this was a Polish stock reworked or what's your take?
    Thanks for the info geladen!!
    On the WZ29, the person who made that comment was referring to the bolt being a "small ring Mauser 98 action WZ29. A Polish version of the German Kar98as of WWI fame. I have know idea what was meant by his comment. I've got a lot to learn on these fine weapons though.
    You can tell the stock is Polish by the rear sling bar.

    If the person had said the receiver (not bolt) was a "small ring Mauser 98 action Polish Mauser", he would have been correct. The K98 came before the large ring WZ29 and neither is a version of the other. It is correct that the K98 is the Polish version of the German K98a.

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    Thanks for the added info Bill!!
    Trust me ,I've been searching the Nets on this one and a old FN Browning Model 1910 from the 1919 era.
    Bought a book on the FN, only book I've found on the K98 is in my mother land's lingo, embarrassing for me since all 4 grandparents came from Poland, and know very little.
    Leo

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    You can find the K98 and WZ29 in a general book like Mauser Military Rifles of the World but I don't know of any specific book on Polish Mausers printed in English.

    And if you haven't noticed yet, a lot of people who should know better write K98 when they mean a large ring German K98k.

    See: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...ghlight=polish
    post #8 for more Polish confusion.
    Every post I make is made with a request for corrections. I'm here to learn.

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    Went thru my old data cards and can report the following:

    Wz98a F.B. RADOM 1937 #35188 matching 95% original finish. Wood exc.

    Kbk S. Wz31 F.B. RADOM 1933 #8718. Matched Action finished in gray, with mix of some parts painted black or blued. Bolt finished in white. Exc wood.

    Kar98 F. B. RADOM 1928 #72595. Matched 95% German refinish/rework. Wood VG+. Original sling swivels ground off on stock & rear barrel band. Follower replaced with German pattern with step to act as bolt stop. Components numbered to match during rework.

    Wz29 F.B. RADOM 1936 #36162 Matched 99% original finish. Wood exc. Came with original Polish sling and "K & L" marked muzzle cover.

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    Cartoonist, I just picked up an all matching 1930 K29 SN: 5002a. It appears to be numbered in the German convention. I have a post elsewhere in military mausers about it but would love to share any information and photos you desire. I would also love any insight you may have into my rifle as well. Thanks!
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