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    A new one:

    - Model: wz29 (Spanish Civil War)
    - Matching?: mismatched Polish bolt S/N 41554
    - S/N on receiver and stock: 55261Z
    - Model markings on receiver: none
    - Crest markings including armory, year, other: none
    - Bolt type (turned, straight), knurled?: straight, round knob

    Circle Z on right receiver and bolt handle
    8mm marked on barrel at front band
    rebuilt by Spain
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    wz-29
    receiver side stamped "k98"
    stock/action/floorplate/bolt handle match, serial 3662
    receiver: eagle, F.B. RADOM 1931
    straight bolt, round knob
    "8MM" marked at barrel btween front sight and front band

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    I am Spanish and use a translator if it are not anything nice, excuse me.
    The majority of guns of Poland that I have seen some do not lead any emblem, the number of series and k-98 in the wings of the box of mechanisms, to seeing only if I can manage the numbers of series and to know who I construct them or when.

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    Hi - sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I've just purchased a Polish Mauser and am trying to figure out the proper designation for it.

    The receiver is scrubbed with only 7.92 on the top. On the side, along with the serial # is K98. It has a bent bolt (infantry model) that features a half-round shape with checkering on the bottom.

    It is import marked with "Poland 8mm" near the tip of the barrel. The cleaning rod channel has been filled in and it has the early style stacking hook.

    Would this rifle be classified as a WZ98/29 or a WZ98e? Also, given the absence of a date on the receiver, is there any way to date it by serial number?

    I've attached some pics hoping they would help.

    Thanks much.
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    Nice rifle, that is a Kbk wz.98. It started off its life as a Polish service rifle, but later had the receiver markings were scrubbed and was sold to Spain during the Spanish Civil War. There is some info here: http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/polarms1.html

    The Kbk wz.98 is the predecessor to the wz.29. Yours is as issued to the Polish military minus the Polish markings. This model did not have a cleaning rod, and is offten reffered to as a copy of the German Kar 98 AZ. This is because Poland was able to keep the German tooling from Danzig, and used these tools to build the Kbk wz.98, therefore most parts are identical. The tools from Danzig were moved to PFK Warsawa (Peoples rifle factory Warsaw) Here is some additional info: http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/h...dkri/Kbk98.htm

    Yours seems to have kept its Polish bolt, which is a plus. Also, I would guess that it was made at PFK Warsawa, and not at Radom. I have noticed that Radom made examples have a serial number letter suffix, where this one does not. Don't fret if it is not all matching, most SCW Kbk wz.98's I have seen do have mismatched bands, bolts and some other small parts.

    Just as a side note, I have read a theory that the A on the stock might mean the rifle was captured by the Reds if I remember correctly.

    There seems to be no way to date the rifle by SN, but it would have been made between 1925 and 1931. All Kbk wz.98's had the bent bolt. With the wz.29's, straight bolts were put in for the Infantry, and bent bolts for Cavalry.

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    Thanks very much. This is a big help.

    I had read elsewhere that the Infantry models had the bent bolt, but the rest of this info is new to me.

    Does the "Poland 8mm" import stamp identify specifically who imported it? Would it be a pre-or post '68 import?

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    Off the subject at hand but I remember seeing a Polish carbine with a 660 on the receiver, thought wow that's not a Steyr, any thoughts ? Lookrd for yrs trying to find a Gew Polish 98. Encountered one about 20 some yrs back more missing than was there. I'll try and gig out my carbine for the data.

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    How many of the 91/98/25 carbine have been recorded. I have one and noticed Empire Arms has one for sale it's the only other one I've known of. Have 2 98s stored. picked up a fairly nice bayonet a wk or so backH in a box on the leftPerkun and a M in a triangel on the right, Reverse side Eagle and WP frog was stamped 1936 Folks[something] Hamburg. Nicer than the other Pole which doesn't have the muzzle ring as does this one.

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    Default FB Random 1930 K29 3459m

    I too have a FB Random 1930 K29 3459m, My Father passed away a few years ago, I found it in his gun case.
    I assume it was my GF's. No details on how it came to us. Great condition came with bayonett too. Looks Like the bolt might be
    from another the number is different 9313, the butt plate has the same number. Any idea on what these guns are worth.
    Looking to sell mine.

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    I had a very nice 91/98/25... marked Arma Lvov with a boxed WP31 cartouche in the stock. Bolt mismatch but it was the proper modified bolt for the 8mm conversion. I put a few dozen rounds through and it surprised me in regards to accuracy and pleasant shooting qualitites. Traded it years ago to a friend that retired from the Army and moved to Mississippi - he dropped off the map ever since... anyone know John Yergin - is he alive and kicking ?.
    Anyhow on another note I wound up with a K98 polish bolt serialed 2185 L , it's matching and has the typical polish bird on the bottom bolt root and some 'glyphs'. Anyone have a k98 close to that serial that could use it ?.
    Please email directly..I don't always get the PM's !.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Billdildoe View Post
    I had a very nice 91/98/25... marked Arma Lvov with a boxed WP31 cartouche in the stock. Bolt mismatch but it was the proper modified bolt for the 8mm conversion. I put a few dozen rounds through and it surprised me in regards to accuracy and pleasant shooting qualitites. Traded it years ago to a friend that retired from the Army and moved to Mississippi - he dropped off the map ever since... anyone know John Yergin - is he alive and kicking ?.
    Anyhow on another note I wound up with a K98 polish bolt serialed 2185 L , it's matching and has the typical polish bird on the bottom bolt root and some 'glyphs'. Anyone have a k98 close to that serial that could use it ?.
    I have a WZ29 with a self matching WaA655 bolt s/n 7079ee. It sure needs a Polish bolt. I would like to make some kind of trade or purchase or combination. If you need photos I can do that but I have to dig it out of the safe where it is buried in Mausers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geladen View Post
    I have a WZ29 with a self matching WaA655 bolt s/n 7079ee. It sure needs a Polish bolt. I would like to make some kind of trade or purchase or combination. If you need photos I can do that but I have to dig it out of the safe where it is buried in Mausers.

    If you trade your 98k bolt and toss in $10 for postage I'd gladly swap bolts with you. Do keep in mind though it for sure came out of a K98 - the polish version of the german kar98a. Wz29's had the polish proof on the top of the ball at that stage of manufacture , but earlier K98 and W98's had their brid proofs on th ebottom flat like the imperial german bolts did.
    Please email directly..I don't always get the PM's !.

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    Sounds good to me. I know the K98 bolt won't be correct either, but it will be a lot closer than a K98k bolt. Will send email.
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    Saw your post so went thru my records. Here is some data for you:
    I have Wz29 FB Radom|1936 sn 36162P Matching 99% original finish w/Polish sling & "Kranc & Lempicki" muzzle cover.
    Had:
    Wz31a F.B.Radom|1937 sn 35188
    Kbk S.wz31 F.B. Radom|1933 Sn 8718
    Maroczech sn 1019

    I know...why did I ever decide to let the last three go? The answer eludes me as well!

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    1936 all matching ..bad some one stamped 8MM on her..
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    Cartoonist,
    This is an interesting thread. Came on here for the Swedish section, now this. I'll play with one from way back in the bunker;.
    Model - It has Polish WZ 29 in my records. Matching ?- not many numbers but a few proof symbols as pictured. The receiver is "scrubbed" except for the "circled Z" on right side which I attributed to Czech CZ marking? There appears to be a serial number on the front bottom flat of the receiver, ( 294a ) Bolt is turned down with flat knurled side. Markings as pictured. Stock is 2 piece. Dual sling swivels and sling bar on left butt. Do not see any German markings I am familiar with but bolt sleev face, front bayonet lug, front and rear sight have symbol/proofs and numbers as pictured.
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    Default 1930 F.B. Radom Wz.29

    For the database: a 1930 F.B. Radom K29. Serial # is 9215 struck 'L' nClick image for larger version.

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ID:	535523 Does anyone know the significance of the struck out 'L'? Also the 'n' suffix? This particular rifle appears to have a German bolt. Would Radom factory be using German bolts in 1930 if assembling K29s with leftover Imperial Germany K98 parts? Anyway to tell with certainty? Thanks.
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    Sorry I just found this thread...Are the bands numbered...any other parts forced matched....possibly a german rework for ww2

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    Just picked up a nice one for $400 at a show yesterday. Funny thing is that the rear of the stock has 3 sling attachments. One sling loop on the under side, the regular sling bar with wood cut out, and then another loop that is attached by a cross-bolt type bit on the side right below the grip. Pretty sure it's a Spanish civil war model, has several wooden plugs in the stock and hand guard. No import marks from what I can find, also I can't seem to get the front end cap off....

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    Here is a summary of collated data presented in cartoonist wz.29 research thread and from my Polish firearms thread on War Relics.

    Hopefully it won't be too hard to follow. I tried uploading it as a spreadsheet but lost the formatting.

    Kbk wz.29 Side Rail Markings:
    1927 to 1929 - K98 or original German markings (e.g., Gew.98)
    1929 to 1933 - K29 or K98-29 (rare)
    1933 to 1939 - wz.29

    Not known if lower case d, m, or p indicated were meant to be lower case or upper case - this is how they were reported in this thread, if upper case letters were reported, that's how its recorded; NA = not applicable; K98 = wz.98/29.

    Matching/ Year/ Crest/ Serial #/ Polish Suffix/ X'ed Out/ Suffix Added/ Receiver Stamp

    Unknown/ 1929/ ? Radom/ 6786/ U
    No/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 2086/ No/ NA/ d
    No/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 3007/ No/ NA/ m/ K29
    No/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 3459/ No/ NA/ m/ K29
    No/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 51xx/ K29
    Matching/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 6386/ W/ Yes/ 'n'/ K29
    Unknown/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 6709/ No/ NA/ p/ K29
    Unknown/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 7629/ K29
    No/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 7742/ No/ NA/ 'n'
    Unknown/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 7801/ K98
    Unknown/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 782x/ No/ NA/ p
    Matching/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 8014/ No/ NA/ 'n'/ K29
    Unknown/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 8584/ 8/ No/ NA/ K29
    No/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 9215/ L/ Yes/ 'n'
    Unknown/ 1930/ F.B.Radom/ 9702/ L/ Yes/ 'n'/ K29
    Unknown/ 1931/ F.B.Radom/ 1302/ K29
    Matching/ 1931/ F.B.Radom/ 3662/ K98
    Matching/ 1934/ F.B.Radom/ 60555/ M/ wz29
    Matching/ 1934/ F.B.Radom/ 85927/ M/ wz29
    No/ 1934/ F.B.Radom/ 88386/ M/ wz29
    Matching/ 1935/ F.B.Radom/ 11525/ P/ wz29
    Matching/ 1935/ F.B.Radom/ 23429/ P/ wz29
    Matching/ 1936/ F.B.Radom/ 36162/ P/ wz29
    Matching/ 1936/ F.B.Radom/ 39189/ P/ wz29
    Unknown/ 1937/ F.B.Radom/ 22935/ wz29
    Matching/ 1937/ F.B.Radom/ 60245/ P/ wz29
    Matching/ 1937/ F.B.Radom/ 74650/ P/ wz29
    Unknown/ 1937/ F.B.Radom/ 76038/ P/ wz29
    Unknown/ 1938/ F.B.Radom/ 11505/ P/ wz29
    No/ 1938/ F.B.Radom/ 49226/ Z/ wz29
    Matching/ 1938/ F.B.Radom/ 53687/ Z/ wz29
    No/ 1938/ F.B.Radom/ 56410/ Z/ wz29

    Out of the 33 Kbk wz.29's listed, 5 have a suffix 'n' added to the serial number. On 3 out of the 5 wz.29's, the upper case letter suffix is crossed out; on the other two there was no upper case suffix to the Polish serial number.

    In the survey d,m, and p reported as suffixes to the serial numbers but its not clear if they were intended to be lower case or that D, M, and P were meant. I have listed them as 'Added Suffixes' as Poles used upper case suffixes.
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    I know this is an old thread...but I came across this doing some research on my grandfathers rifle. This is a strange one. On the receiver there is the eagle crest and F.B. Radom with 1938 below that, On one side of the receiver there is a proof mark on the other is 31918K along with wz.29. The lower plate has 1918 stamped on it along with a proof mark and the number 84. Using these numbers got me here. I know I have a 1938 Polish Mauser wz.29, but that is all I know about it. This gun was heavily modified somewhere in it's history. I do know my grandfather used it in target competitions back in the 50's. The thing is this gun has a sporterized stock, a heavy bull barrel, and is chambered for the 220 Swift! Is the normal Mauser case and the 200 Swift case that similar that it can be used in a Mauser action with just the barrel replaced? Other than the stock and barrel, it all appears original from what I can see from pics posted here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indybeer View Post
    ...The thing is this gun has a sporterized stock, a heavy bull barrel, and is chambered for the 220 Swift! Is the normal Mauser case and the 200 Swift case that similar that it can be used in a Mauser action with just the barrel replaced?

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    I have no idea. I'd ask this question in one of the cartridge or reloading forums. Its a sportser now but definitely nice.
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    I've got another rifle to add to the survey, I just picked it up and haven't had her apart yet but it's a scrubbed SCW rifle. The only mark visible is the serial 54800 (lined out) and suffiz Z.
    Full length handguard, straight bolt handle and dual sling swivels. I'll post back if I find any surprises under the wood
    To make a guess from the other reported serials it looks like a 1938

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    I got an K29 marked with an eagle and F. B. Radom 1931 on top. On the left side marked with a raised lion holding an axe. (probably the approval markings of the Norwegian Army) serial no. 3352f and K29. Bottom of chamber and underneath marked with no 52. No wood further than halfway down the pipe. I can take pics if anybody wants...


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    Sure, take photos of all the markings Polish and Norwegian, including the bolt details please. I have read that some Polish mausers ended up in Norway but have never seen one.
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    Attachment 603315 very small marking.
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    The bolt is at my grandmothers house, so I can't take pics of it yet...

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    Ill add mine:

    - Model: wz.29 (SCW) Completely Scrubbed
    - Matching?: mismatched Polish bolt S/N 7579
    - S/N on receiver and stock: 15577E
    - Model markings on receiver: none, S337 on Left receiver just above the woodline
    - Crest markings including armory, year, other: none
    - Bolt type (turned, straight), knurled?: Turned, not knurled, full round knob(poss. 98K body)

    Circle Z on right receiver, barrel, and bolt safety
    8mm marked on barrel between the "H" on the front band
    Under the wood on the barrel its marked 1945 H DOT(Im assuming it was rebarreled in 1945 in Germany as a G29/40 or Gew.298, no waffenampts visible though)
    42 on bayo lug, 54 on butt plate, 57 on bolt sleve
    Two piece butt stock w/Bolt dissassembly hole
    Sling swivels on the bottom, swivel and carcano style sling mount on the left side

    I can provide pics if needed, Hope this helps with your research.
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    hello. i am new here on this forum. lots of interesting reading here.
    i have a polish mauser marked 660 the polish eagle stamp F,B RADOM 1939.
    this rifle has been on the Tirpitz . the battle ship was sunk here 12/11 44. nearby .
    the gun is in ok shape . butt the stock is an early german one . and the barrel is to.
    how many were made to go to the german navy ?. and what type bayonet were used to this rifle ?.

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    Hello, another newbie to the forum here, great forum, and thread. I noticed no 1939's in the list so I'll add mine. It is marked F.B. Radom with Polish crest, dated 1939, s.n. 94328P all matching, with serials on the barrel, receiver, bolt, buttplate, trigger guard, and floorplate. Has small Polish eagles on side of receiver and bolt knob. It has H type frt. band with dual swivel lower band and swivel on lower stock with sling bar on left side of stock, also has dowels in buttstock near buttplate and in bolt handle cutout. The rear sight has last three of serial, frt sight, follower, bolt release, and action screws have last two of serial, no German markings anywhere. Hope this helps if theres any interest in this anymore. I'm sorry about how I posted, don't know how to list it like your example.

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    Hello All,
    It does look doubtful that only 1,000 wz. 29 were built in Radom in 1930.
    Methinks if it were true we would not see too many of them and the prices
    for 1930 would always in 4 digits, at least for the Eagle-d variety.
    In any case, here is my exact 2 cent contribution:

    165 p /Eagle/ F.B. RADOM 1930 K29
    8215 p /Eagle/ F.B. RADOM 1930 K29

    The first is the lowest that I've seen -- 165 p.

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    I don't know if anyone is still posting to the list of serial numbers, but here's mine.
    only receiver, barrel, and bolt release lever have matching serials. /dated 1939/ F.B. Radom/ 55437/Z/ wz.29
    has cleanly milled lower band with only side sling swivel, and butt sling swivel is missing sling swivel and base plate milled cleanly
    down to flat. as if to remove under stock sling use. has German bent handle bolt. had German sling attached. No import marks.

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    Model wz.29, 8mm, straight bolt handle.

    Receiver appears to have never been stamped with crest, armory, or
    year. I can see know sign that they were there then later removed.

    Serial number 101 (all matching style (font?) stamp) on left side
    of receiver, on stock below receiver serial number, on trigger /
    magazine housing in front of floorplate, on top of bolt handle
    stem.

    Serial number 101E on bottom of receiver and barrel (different
    style from other serial numbers above).

    Other serial (non-matching) numbers on buttplate and bottom of
    stock.

    Circle Z located on right side of receiver, right side of barrel
    under the hand guard, on top of the bolt handle knob.

    Several various markings on top of the barrel under the hand guard
    and on the left side of the receiver under the stock.

    I can find no caliber (8mm) stamped anywhere on the rifle.

    David

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    The lack of crest and circle Z markings indicate this is a Spanish Civil War rifle. It probably has a small "8mm" import marking somewhere on the barrel.

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    I originally posted a couple of my wz.29 pics as separate thread. I fellow member re-directed me to this site (thanks again Tmann)! Here are my pictures.

    Data Points:
    1) K98 German Bolt / Non-matching
    2) Front Barrel Band is worn while the rear/butt stock metal appears refreshed
    3) Serial stamped on stock below the receiver is not in a straight line
    4) Rear Butt Plate has a '42' stamped, German?
    5) Serial stamped on bottom of rear butt is not in a straight line
    6) No import marks
    7) Symbol on bolt keeper
    8) Front sight hood numbered
    9) Sights numbered
    10) Serial # - 15521Z

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    Was wondring if this is also a wz.29. Was bubba'd up long before I got it. There's no wood, no stock hardware, no sights, barrel was cut down (was 7,92 marked).









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    Hello, all, I know that this is a really old thread, but I wanted to send this info to "dastier" so he can update his Polish Mauser list. Here is one more for you. A recent purchase for me.

    It is a 1937 wz.29 that was professionally sporterized by Harry McGowan. The late Mr. McGowan is better know for his barrels, but his custom rifles are also known to be quite nice. He did the one I now have in 1968. It has a 26" McGowan barrel and has been chambered in .300 Win Mag.

    Anyhow, the serial is "85712P" the "P" being intentionally capitalized. I have posted some pictures of the barreled action for review. The holes drilled in the top are for a Redfield JR scope mount.Click image for larger version.

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    Default Info from FB Radom website

    See this quote from the FB Radom website - http://en.fabrykabroni.pl/?d=136

    "Until end of Q1, 1939, the Fabryka Broni in Radom have delivered 30800 Vis wz.35 pistols, 466800 Mauser carbines and rifles manufactured there as well as 168000 German WW1 rifles repaired and re-built into kbk wz.98 and kbk wz.29 configuration. The remaining six months of peace, the manufacturing was kept at a frantic pace. Though the records are missing, the surge in Vis wz.35 serial numbers – the o要ly regular weapon manufactured there with consecutive, un-coded serials – shows that in 1939 twice as many of these were made, than during the entire earlier manufacturing period! And these were considered second-rate, second priority weapons – o要e can o要ly speculate how many first-priority rifles and carbines were manufactured at the same time, and figures for the first quarter, showing monthly output of 31000 carbines a month point to figures reaching easily into a quarter of a million range for the entire 1939."

    So, the serial numbers for the Wz29 (and other Radom arms except the VIS35) were in code. It would thus be difficult to draw conclusions by just studying the serial numbers.

    Note that the production numbers mentioned above only go through the 1st Quarter of 1939. Production was expected to have increased in the 2nd & 3rd Quarters until ceasing with the German & Soviet invasions at the end of the 3rd Quarter.


    This is the page about the long arms- http://en.fabrykabroni.pl/?d=134

    "FB Radom Long Arms

    In 1921 the Council of Ambassadors, a governing body for surrendered Germany created by the Treaty of Versailles, have decided to hand over the Royal Rifle Plant in Danzig (Gdańsk), o要e of the main Mauser Gew.98 manufacturers in Germany, to Poland. The Gdańsk machinery were initially shipped over to Warsaw, where they served as the base of the Warsaw’s Państwowa Fabryka Karabin闚 (PFK, State Rifle Factory). As early as December, 1923 a decision was made to gradually hand-over majority of machines and equipment taken over from Gdańsk to the Radom plant, which was to take over the rifle manufacturing from the Warsaw plant. Some of the early Radom machinery was also handed over from the Dęblin military repair depot. When construction conditions allowed it in late 1924, the machines from Warsaw were transferred to the Radom plant. Over 1000 machines were transferred within 10 months. In 1926 the plant was already capable of manufacturing 250 rifles a day. Until 1939 the machinery of the FB grew to more than 2300 machines and other technical appliances of various types.

    Between 1926 and 1939 the main staple of the FB was the 7.9-mm Mauser repeating rifle and carbine. In the beginning it was the kbk wz.98 (Model of 1898) carbine, based upon the WW1 German Kar. 98AZ, taken over from Warsaw’s PFK, which after the Radom factory was activated, switched-over to machine gun production. In 1930 a new infantry carbine was launched in Radom, a “short rifle’ concept-compatible kbk wz.29 carbine. The main difference between the kbk wz.98 and kbk wz.29 carbines was the bayonet mounting system: the wz.29 had a shortened lower handguard, enabling more robust bayonet mounting. After the kbk wz.29 was introduced into the inventory, the kbk wz.98 carbines were phased out from the infantry and taken over by the cavalry. In 1936 FB started production of the modernized Gew.98 rifle – called the kb wz.98a, intended to compliment the armament of the infantry squad, as of 1924 based upon 600-mm barrel length carbines (kbk wz.98 and kbk wz.29). By 1939 a total of 44500 kb wz.98a long rifles were made in Radom.

    In 1936 large export orders connected with Spanish Civil War as well as shortage of strategic rifle reserves brought about measures to surge rifle manufacture in Radom. The General Staff decided to extend the FB’s capabilities, ordering a ‘period of extended manufacturing capability’ between June 1937 and April 1939. The target was to convert the FB from single-shift to double-shift organization, in order to raise the monthly output to 13000 rifles/carbines. Financial and organizational problems, lack of qualified cadres that were to be educated from the scratch in a rural area with no industrial background of any kind, as well as problems in machine acquisition hindered the move from the beginning, and as a result of these hindrances the FB reached 13000 monthly target o要ly in 1939, but eventually the plant highly exceeded it then. Production data for the 1st quarter, the o要ly available for that year, show as many as 58200 kbk wz.29 carbines, 4800 kbk wz.98 carbines, 5250 kb wz.98a rifles and 32300 “kbk E’ export kbk wz.29 carbines, combining to an astonishing 31000 rifles and carbines a month for the first three months of the year. During the whole 12 months of 1938, 50220 kbk wz.29s and 98s, 5280 kb wz.98as and 89 040 kbk Es were manufactured, giving an average monthly output of ca. 12000."

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    I have a wz.29
    no crest or other receiver markings other than a circle-z and serial
    serial 7008 on left side of receiver ring
    bolt serial 27924 on handle with circle-z on knob
    stock serial 30067 sideways on bottom of butt between swivel and grip
    straight handle bolt
    H front band
    one piece stock, full length handguard
    dual swivel rear band, swivel and bar inlet into buttstock
    no import marks to be seen

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    Hello , I have a rifle very similar to the one that PRIMO1 posted and have wondered for years exactly what it was. When I was a kid I saw an add for surplus rifles for sale in Popular Science magazine by an outfit called Chesapeak Gun Works. They wanted $39.95 for my Polish rifle. I went down to the local gun shop and asked them to order it for me. They told me I owed them $5.00 for having them handle the shipment - O.k. I got a call from the shop and they told me my rifle had arrived. When I picked it up I was heartbroken, it appeared to be highly corroded. The shop owner said " Tough luck sonny , you always take a chance when you buy that mail order stuff " I took the gun home and upon closer examination realized it wasn't corroded but covered in really old crusty preservative. Many hours of cleaning later I ended up with the rifle you see here. It has a scrubbed receiver, all matching numbers, a letter suffix on some parts and not others. The bolt is numbered 79920 and the receiver and floorplate are numbered 7992C ( the stock is marked both 79920 and 7992C ) On the back side of the safety there appears to be most of a swastika. It is stamped twice 8MM up on the front band and barrel but no Poland stamp. It has the big A stamp in the stock like PRIMO1's gun BUT does not have a bent bolt handle. It is interesting to note the proximity of the serial numbers of these two rifles and the odd differences. Can anyone provide anymore info on this rifle ? Best regards, Will
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    I have this Spanish Airforce, fully scrubbed and converted 8x57mm Mauser that appears to be a reworked Polish rifle, it has some faint and unusual to a Spanish Mauser markings that appear Polish and or pre-world war 1 German marked parts. I also have a Spanish Army 8x57mm Rifle that is Coruna Arsenal marked and is far inferior machined and fitted together than this rifle. How can I tell if it is truly Polish? I'm sure it is not Spanish made, at least not the bolt, action and rear sights.

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    What you have is a Spanish Air Force M1944 rifle. They were made from Spanish Civil War Polish WZ29 rifles. Your bayonet is Spanish made also.

    Your Coruna rifle is a M1943, made in Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geladen View Post
    What you have is a Spanish Air Force M1944 rifle. They were made from Spanish Civil War Polish WZ29 rifles. Your bayonet is Spanish made also.

    Your Coruna rifle is a M1943, made in Spain.

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    Thanks Bill,

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    Originally Posted by geladen What you have is a Spanish Air Force M1944 rifle. They were made from Spanish Civil War Polish WZ29 rifles. Your bayonet is Spanish made also.

    Your Coruna rifle is a M1943, made in Spain.

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    Thanks x2 Bill ...I have a mix master scrubbed Spanish Bbl. action that has the Kar/az front site & other Polish rifle characteristics ..& was unsure of its origin..now I need to find a stock for it!!

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    I'll add mine to the database - 1937 wz29 11827Z. It seems to be mostly matching, other than the bolt, but I have no idea what the story is on it. It has a triangle with the SN on the handle, and an outline at the base with some "P.V." maybe, and some sort of image. The underside has an A in a circle. As for the rest of the rifle, there also don't appear to be any stamps on the stock, other than the SN, and it may have "W" "E" or something like that on the rear sling swivel, but it's hard to tell. No import marks that I could find, though I haven't disassembled it.

    If anyone has any insights on the bolt and/or possible background of this rifle, I'm very interested to know more.

    Thanks!
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