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    Default Polish Mauser wz.29 Research

    I wanted to create a new thread here to try and shed some light on questions raised by this previous post of a Polish 1930 FB Radom Karabinek (kbk) wz.29: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=67759

    Here's what we saw:
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 6709p (8mm)
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 7629 (.22 trainer version)
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 7801 (8mm)
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 8014n (8mm)

    Now here's a good Polish website:
    http://www.iirp.prv.pl/piechota/kara...ny_kbk_29.html

    The Conundrum
    According to this website (which is cobbled together from five different Polish books), the FB Radom factory produced just 1,000 new wz.29's in 1930, its first year of production. This is the generally accepted number in the U.S. collecting community as well. Yet we seem to have pretty clear evidence of more rifles being produced... above we see a difference of 1,305 between the low and high s/n's, with the strong possibility of even more.

    What's up with these Polish serial numbers? Is it some kind of clever scheme to hide actual production figures? Or is the production several thousand rifles higher than thought?

    Food for Thought
    While FB Radom didn't start producing new wz.29's until 1930, Zbrojownia Nr. 2 (Armory No. 2) in Warsaw began making rifles to the wz.29 standard in 1927. These rifles were made from German K98's and parts taken as WWI reparations. The rifles, which differ only slightly in appearance from the new wz.29 but often retained original markings, were designated as the wz.98/29. Production of the wz.98/29 continued until 1933, which is probably when the German parts ran out. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any production data on them. But we do know that production was moved from Warsaw to Radom. So it's likely that by 1930, FB Radom was simultaneously producing new wz.29's and making wz.98/29's from reparation parts, quite possibly a mixture of both. Based on the "n" and "p" letter blocks stamped on the above bolts, I'd be willing to bet they were originally German, restamped with a matching Polish s/n, and installed on new wz.29 rifles.

    Poland also started exporting wz.29e's in 1928. Since new wz.29 production didn't start until 1930, we know that Poland was making its export models either from previously-made wz.98/29's or straight from reparation parts. Many of the wz.29e's got completely scrubbed of markings except for their serial numbers, especially when Poland wanted to hide its hand such as in Spain.

    The Big Question
    So, if FB Radom only produced 1,000 new wz.29 rifles in 1930, why do we have at least four examples in the 6XXX to 8XXX serial number range? Assuming that Radom started its serial numbering somewhere closer to zero, this implies that Radom built a few thousand more rifles. This is backed up by export sales: in 1930 alone Poland sold over 14,000 wz.29e's to China and Hijaz. So are the generally-accepted Radom production numbers wrong?

    Let's step back a bit. According to the Gwóźdź book, of the 264,300 total new wz.29's produced at FB Radom from 1930 to 1939, only 7,900 were exported as wz.29e's. According to the website, however, the total number of wz.29e's exported was over 143,000. Thus the majority of the rifles exported (135,100 of them) must have been taken from wz.98/29 stocks or built straight from reparation K98's, for which we have no production data. It also implies that Poland produced at least 400,000 wz.29's altogether.

    So here's a hypothesis: in 1930, all the different types of wz29 rifles were serialed together as though they were one production run. Whether Radom built a new wz.29, or rebuilt reparation parts into a wz.98/29 or wz.29e, in the end they all got stamped together. Due to the four new wz.29's falling into a relatively close block, it seems likely that blocks were assigned. All we need now is data to clarify what actually happened.

    Request for Information
    Do you have a 1930 FB Radom Polish wz.29? If so, please post your s/n information so we can figure this out. In fact, I'd be willing to start a database on all Polish wz.29's if you want to send me information about your rifle from any year. Might be a fun project! Thanks...

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    This is an interesting topic so I am making it "sticky" for now, we'll see if there is any more information added.

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    Polish Karabinek wz.29 "Mauser"

    Kbk wz.29 - produced 1930 to 1939 at FB Radom, total production 264,300.

    Kbk wz.98/29 - produced 1927 to 1933, initially at Zbrojownia Nr 2 in Warsaw, and later moved to FB Radom (exact date unknown). Total production unknown. Made from German K98's given to Poland from WWI reparations. Look slightly different than wz.29.

    Kbk wz.98e - export version, total of 143,000 exported. Of these, it appears that 7,900 were made from scrubbed wz.29's, and the remaining 135,100 came from the German 98K reparation rifles. Of these, we are unsure of how many went straight from K98 to wz.98e, and how many may have been scrubbed into a wz.29e from previously produced wz.98/29's.

    Summary:
    wz.29 - 264,300 rifles produced at FB Radom
    wz.98/98 - 135,100 rifles produced between Warsaw and Radom which were exported plus whatever the Poles kept for themselves (unknown). Does anyone know how many rifles Germany had to give Poland immediately after WWI in reparations? This would help estimate production!
    Thus it seems that at least 400,000+ wz.29's were produced if sources are correct.

    FB Radom Production (kbk wz.98): (1930-1939)
    1930 - 1000 rifles
    1931 - 30,900 rifles
    1932 - 26,200 rifles
    1933 - 35,000 rifles
    1934 - 28,200 rifles
    1935 - 20,300 rifles
    1936 - 5,800 rifles
    1937 - 65,200 rifles
    1938 - 36,700 rifles
    1939 - 15,000 rifles
    Total: 264,300 rifles
    Above appears to be all new wz.29 production rifles, and not inclusive of wz.98/29 production carried out at FB Radom.

    Zbrojownia Nr 2 (Warsaw) Production: (1927 to ?)
    - No new wz.29 production, just wz.98/29.
    - Moved to FB Radom sometime between 1927 and 1933
    - Lack of production figures

    Sales/Exports of wz.29e:
    1928/29 - 100 rifles sold to Afghanistan
    1929 - 3,000 rifles solid to the Kingdom of Hijaz (now part of Saudi Arabia)
    1930 - 4,200 rifles sold to China
    1930 - 10,000 rifles sold to the Kingdom of Hijaz (w/parts)
    1931 - 8,250 rifles sold to China
    1935 - 61 rifles sold to an unknown receiver
    1936 - 9,300 rifles sold to China (in reality to Spain)
    1937 - 10,094 rifles sold to Mexico (in reality to Spain)
    1936 - 1,697 rifles sold to Palestine
    1937 - 5,800 rifles to Greece (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 10,000 rifles sold to China (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 40,000 rifles sold to Greece (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 30,000 rifles sold to Peru (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 10,000 rifles sold to an unknown receiver
    1938 - 500 rifles sold to an unknown receiver
    Total: 143,002 rifles
    In total, the Spanish Republic received 105,194 wz.29e rifles through intermediaries in China, Mexico, Greece, and Peru.

    Kbk wz.29 Side Rail Markings:
    1927 to 1929 - K98 or original German markings (e.g., Gew.98)
    1929 to 1933 - K29 or K98-29 (rare)
    1933 to 1939 - wz.29
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    Also in addition to my 1930 ser# 7801 which you already have I also have this all matching scrubbed Wz29 with no siderail marking. Thought it might help in your research. I might have have made a mistake in calling my 1930 a Wz29 ser#7801. In fact it might be a 98/29. The last PIC is of it. Ed
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    Not exactly sure if this relates because I don't knwo all of the Polish models. I have a 1926 Warsaw K98. The S/N is 66600. It was unfortunately sporterized back in the 50's (I presume). The work was tastefully done with a beautiful stock and a Lymann peep sight, but, the gun was forever altered. It has a German marked matching bolt. The receiver, mag floor plate, and barrel numbers match. It is in 99% condition.



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    Default my K29 contribution

    1930 Radom K29, sn 9702n, Notice originally struck "L" crossed out...
    This example is totally matching.
    I'm pleased to see research and feedback on these rifles..
    I was led to believe that only K29 marked receivers fell into the 1000 numbering scheme.
    I've included the polish eagle on the bolt for reference..
    Keep up the good work!!

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    I have a crested Polish K98 (Kar98AZ) stripped action with a German Kar98AZ bolt PWB Radom 1927 and serialed 9332.

    I also have a scrubbed Wz.29 serialed 43474Z with a lineout through it.

    Lastly, my crested Wz.29 is 1937 dated and serialed 76038P.

    Hope this helps, somehow.

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    Definitely! Keep 'em coming... I've been scouring old posts and internet auctions and have already got about 30 rifles in my database, and some patterns are becoming clearer. If possible, please let me know:

    - Model (e.g., wz.98, wz.98az, wz.29, wz.98/29, etc.)
    - Matching?
    - S/N on receiver
    - Model markings on receiver (e.g., K29, M98, etc.)
    - Crest markings including armory, year, other (e.g,. "7,91")
    - Bolt type (turned, straight), knurled?
    - Type of stock (some are 2-piece)
    - Handguard: full-length?
    - Type of front band (hinged w/stacking swivel, "H" style)
    - Sling swivel configuration (dual, just on bottom)
    - Old residual German markings
    - Any other markings you think are important

    After we get this honed a little, I can put together a real data sheet. Then I can start posting info.

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    For example:

    Model S/N Crest
    wz.29 6709 p F.B. RADOM 1930 K29
    wz.29 7629 F.B. RADOM 1930 K29
    wz.98/29 7801 F.B. RADOM 1930 K98
    wz.29 8014 n F.B. RADOM 1930 "H" K29
    wz.29 8584 8 F.B. RADOM 1930 "H" K29
    wz.29 9702 n F.B. RADOM 1930 "H" K29
    wz.29 1302 F.B. RADOM 1931 K29
    wz.98az 1468 F.B. RADOM 1931 Hinged K98

    As we can see, it appears that RADOM intermixed serial numbers in 1930 between newly-made wz.29's and wz.98/29's! I don't have the blueprints for the shopfloor, but here's my guess... while wz.29's and wz.98/29's were being made simultaneously in separate areas of the factory, they trickled out to the same line for getting stamped with serial numbers. This is why there's a gap of 3,000 rifles when only 1,000 new wz.29's were supposed to have been produced! We just need some more data to prove it, especially more wz.98/29's falling into the middle of the wz.29 sequence.

    Also you can see the serial numbering started over again for 1931, and they also appear interspersed together.

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    This is pretty through

    Model Wz29

    All matching numbers; they are on the Reciever (full number including suffix), Bolt (full number including suffix), Stock (full number including suffix), Buttplate (full number including suffix), Barrel (full number including suffix?), and the rear sight leaf (last three numbers).

    I'm assuming that there barrel has the full number as I'm loathe to remove the handguard to recheck. (I will do it if urgently requested)

    Serial #; 11525P

    Model Marking on receiver; wz29

    Crest marking; Polish Eagle over F.B.
    RADOM
    1935

    Bolt type; Straight bolt

    Type of stock; One piece w/bolt relief cutout, bolt removal disc, crossbolt and wooden dowel insert in relief cutout.

    Handguard; Full length w/three wood dowel inserts at both ends and in front of rear sight.

    Front band; "H" style

    Sling swivel configuration; Dual sling swivels

    Old residual German markings; Possibly on the bolt sleeve, cocking piece and the safety. (I am really not versed in ww1 era German markings.)

    Any other markings you think are important; There are small polish eagles on the receiver, the bolt knob, and on the stock wrist.

    Besides the small Polish eagle, The pictures below are the other markings found on the stock.

    This is found in several sizes in two places; the bottom of the wrist (x2) and the right side of the stock near the bolt take down disc.



    Found on bottom of wrist.



    Found in the sling well.



    Found near the buttplate on the right side.



    The numbers one and two are also on the buttplate.

    Misc; The rear sight spring is strawed. The bolt, stock crossbolt, take down disc, face of the rear sight (excluding the elevation numbers) and magazine follower are in the white. The rest of the parts are blued.
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    wz 29 (so marked), Radom, 1937, SN 22935; no suffix letter; observed at Hartford Show.

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    Got a question for you all. Did Warsaw produce any Wz29's? If so is there any way to distinguish between the Radom and the Warsaw other than crest? I am wondering because of the scrubbed ones. Thanks
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    i have a mauser radom 1929 it's serialnumber is 6786U, i would like to know more about this rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by cartoonist View Post
    I wanted to create a new thread here to try and shed some light on questions raised by this previous post of a Polish 1930 FB Radom Karabinek (kbk) wz.29: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=67759

    Here's what we saw:
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 6709p (8mm)
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 7629 (.22 trainer version)
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 7801 (8mm)
    - 1930 FB Radom wz.29, s/n 8014n (8mm)

    Now here's a good Polish website:
    http://www.iirp.prv.pl/piechota/kara...ny_kbk_29.html

    The Conundrum
    According to this website (which is cobbled together from five different Polish books), the FB Radom factory produced just 1,000 new wz.29's in 1930, its first year of production. This is the generally accepted number in the U.S. collecting community as well. Yet we seem to have pretty clear evidence of more rifles being produced... above we see a difference of 1,305 between the low and high s/n's, with the strong possibility of even more.

    What's up with these Polish serial numbers? Is it some kind of clever scheme to hide actual production figures? Or is the production several thousand rifles higher than thought?

    Food for Thought
    While FB Radom didn't start producing new wz.29's until 1930, Zbrojownia Nr. 2 (Armory No. 2) in Warsaw began making rifles to the wz.29 standard in 1927. These rifles were made from German K98's and parts taken as WWI reparations. The rifles, which differ only slightly in appearance from the new wz.29 but often retained original markings, were designated as the wz.98/29. Production of the wz.98/29 continued until 1933, which is probably when the German parts ran out. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any production data on them. But we do know that production was moved from Warsaw to Radom. So it's likely that by 1930, FB Radom was simultaneously producing new wz.29's and making wz.98/29's from reparation parts, quite possibly a mixture of both. Based on the "n" and "p" letter blocks stamped on the above bolts, I'd be willing to bet they were originally German, restamped with a matching Polish s/n, and installed on new wz.29 rifles.

    Poland also started exporting wz.29e's in 1928. Since new wz.29 production didn't start until 1930, we know that Poland was making its export models either from previously-made wz.98/29's or straight from reparation parts. Many of the wz.29e's got completely scrubbed of markings except for their serial numbers, especially when Poland wanted to hide its hand such as in Spain.

    The Big Question
    So, if FB Radom only produced 1,000 new wz.29 rifles in 1930, why do we have at least four examples in the 6XXX to 8XXX serial number range? Assuming that Radom started its serial numbering somewhere closer to zero, this implies that Radom built a few thousand more rifles. This is backed up by export sales: in 1930 alone Poland sold over 14,000 wz.29e's to China and Hijaz. So are the generally-accepted Radom production numbers wrong?

    Let's step back a bit. According to the Gwóźdź book, of the 264,300 total new wz.29's produced at FB Radom from 1930 to 1939, only 7,900 were exported as wz.29e's. According to the website, however, the total number of wz.29e's exported was over 143,000. Thus the majority of the rifles exported (135,100 of them) must have been taken from wz.98/29 stocks or built straight from reparation K98's, for which we have no production data. It also implies that Poland produced at least 400,000 wz.29's altogether.

    So here's a hypothesis: in 1930, all the different types of wz29 rifles were serialed together as though they were one production run. Whether Radom built a new wz.29, or rebuilt reparation parts into a wz.98/29 or wz.29e, in the end they all got stamped together. Due to the four new wz.29's falling into a relatively close block, it seems likely that blocks were assigned. All we need now is data to clarify what actually happened.

    Request for Information
    Do you have a 1930 FB Radom Polish wz.29? If so, please post your s/n information so we can figure this out. In fact, I'd be willing to start a database on all Polish wz.29's if you want to send me information about your rifle from any year. Might be a fun project! Thanks...

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    Ok… This is my first post on this site. I was researching my latest acquisition and came across this very interesting thread. So here is the info.

    The receiver, top to bottom:
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    P.F.K
    Warszawa
    1928
    Side rail, left to right:
    ser# 1826X
    K98

    Hope this helps with you data collection. Any info on this rifle would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
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    Default Hidden SN on WZ-29E

    I have had this in a sporterised stock and took it out of wood-Sn on underside of barrel,and underside of receiver.Very crude SN stapmed on LH side of receiver.No polish eagles on barrrel but lots of small proofs.SN is 14188E.I have another WZ-29E and will have to take out of stock to see if additional hidden SN is there.It has large 5 digit SN on LH side of receiver.
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    I also have a Wz-29 model ID question-The Wz-29 configuration is usually with front sight ears,large ring receiver,straight bolt,and slot in buttstock with dual sling swivels.I have seen K-29's that are either Kar 98A copies with the different stacking hook and Others that look like a WZ-29 but have a small ring receiver and the rest of rifle has the Wz-29 features.Should there be Sn's collected for the K-29 seperate from the K-29/Kar-98a copy and sepreate from the Wz-29 large ring receiver rifle?? Or did polish Arsenals have no distinction beteen models?
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    I also have a question regarding Polish stocks of the era. My stock in the above mentioned rifle is missing parts. Can I use a Wz 29 stock and be true to the period? Are there significant differences that I should look for? Just looking for help in restoring history. Thanks in advance for any help.

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    yes you can use a K-29 Kar-98a-or Wz-29-they are very hard to find.Springfield sporters had both bands and some stocks-I think the stocks sold out before they had their auction and restructuring.The bands are slightly different than Vz-24 rifles.The Polish receiver is a little longer on the fron tend with a ring like the turkish mausers for the handguard to lock into.The K-29 Polish had its own style of stacking hook that was different from the German Kar-98.I have seen small ring Radom marked rifles in a WZ-29 style of stock-a lot of these rifles came in in the 1959-61 from Yugoslavia-sold out of a place called S&D bookstore.Good luck on your parts search-check Ebay because people are breaking up guns for parts-Springfield had some blank receiver K-98 SCW rifles that they sold in the 1980's-you may be able to get your parts that way.
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    Arrow Have Polish Mauser

    It's been in my family for years. Not sure where/how acquired.
    Top Receiver: Eagle Crest Left Rec: 7742n K29
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    Floor plate, butt plate, bbl. under hand guard all stamped 7742n
    Bolt stamped 8416 on top of handle, which is smooth knob.
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    8416 appears in other locations on bolt parts.
    Inside of wood top handguard stamped 7742n
    Other metal parts stamped 42 or 742
    790 with a cartouche stamped in rear sight block under flip-up
    Several cartouches on stock, most very hard to decipher

    Any idea of approx. value? Been wondering about this piece for years, glad to have found your site.
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    Hi, I was wondering if anyone can tell me what kind of rifle this is exactly. A friend of mine has had it in his closet for years, never did anything with it since is father died who brought it back from WWII as a vet. Here is a link to some pictures. http://16thir.thecheet.com/Mauser/ This was before I cleaned it up. Took it completely apart and cleaned it up then buffed it with #0000 steel wool and gun oil and finish is 95%+ with a great bore. There weren't any markings on the receiver other than the s/n and I don't think there was anything on the side rail although I could be mistaken. From the few numbers on it, it looked like it matched. Any help is appreciated as I really have no idea about Polish rifles; I specialize more in German K98ks.





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    Question Need help identifying Mauser rifles

    My father-in law passed away and left a small collection of old guns in the attic. I am in process of researching. Based on Google search and information from this site appears two fo them are vintage WWII Mauser rifles. Could use some help determining origns, history and value. I am not a gun person so excuse my ignorance on names of parts etc.:

    Rifle#1: FB Radom 1934, WZ 29. Has a large eagle/falcon crest stamped above the F.B. - Polish? Staight bolt handle. Serial number 85927M (all matching). No rust.

    Rifle #2: BYF 43 Mod. 98. Stamped in a couple places with small eagle - different than the Polish crest above - German? Serial number 2535 (all matching). Metal mechanics are same as WZ 29 except wood extends almost to end of barrel and bolt action curves down. Has orginal leather shoulder strap.

    Can send pictures if that would be helpful. Any guidance you can provide would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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    Bob, the BYF 43 is a WWII German Mauser K98k (Karabiner 98 kurz, or Carbine Model of 1898, short). It was made at the Mauser Oberndorf-am-Neckar factory (the "real" Mauser factory) in Germany in 1943 in southwest germany I believe. That would be neat if this German Mauser really did completely match. To give you a quick rundown. The little eagle looking deals with numbers under them are called Waffenamt stamps (WaA for short). I think yours is 655 but thats off the top of my head and could be wrong. Almost all parts on the K98k are serialed (from the full number, to a partial of the last 2 or 1). Every single part has a WaA stamp on it, and those should all be the same number for it to be a matching gun which means it was all made at the same factory. If all serials and WaA numbers match, it's all original. The stock should have a serial in the barrel channel if you take it apart, as well as the handguard. The stock should aslo have an eagle with swastika under it as well as (most likely) a letter H indicating issue to the Heer (Army.) There should also be a couple WaA655 proof stamps on the stock, and a serial number and proof under the buttstock or grip. There should also be a Day-Month-Year stamp under the buttplate. It's fun to check them out and see how much matches. Even the safety and firing pin have serials...heck, even the front barrel band spring does. If you have any more questions about the K98k go ahead and ask... I am pretty familiar with them. Oh yeah, and the metal disc in the buttstock with a hole in it is a "bolt disassembly disc," which is a tool designed to help you disassemble your mauser bolt without damaging the firing pin which is easy to do. If it really is numbers matching, please take good care of it and oil it up to keep it nice as matching K98ks are much more rare in original condition.

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    GenJack, your photos show a Polish Wz29e, the export model, most of which went to Spain during its civil war.

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    Need help with Mauser bolt. Somehow I managed to get the safety at 9 o'clock postion. I have removed the bolt but can not figure out how to get it back to 12 o'clock position. Thoughts anyone?

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    Bob, did you disassemble the bolt with the safety in the off (9 o clock) position? This will cause the bolt to become decocked. The bolt should be left in the 12 o clock position when taking it out (safe and unlocked)You need to follow these instructions http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...tfix/index.asp

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    Thanks ryg, that was my guess that it was an export. Have no idea how the guy got a hold of it in WWII, he was a canadian soldier. Since I know almost nothing about Polish Mausers, would you be able to give me an idea of the rarity and possible value of the rifle? Like i said it looks bad in the pics but cleaned up great with nicy shiny bluing under the very light surface rust. I've found doing research on these rifles, even with the power of the internet, to be quite a task indeed and any additional info is appreciated very much.

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    GenJack, the discussion at the top of this thread is actually "ground-breaking" news concerning these Wz29 rifles. As for rarity, the Wz29e's are not common but not scarce, either, unless its serial numbers are completely matching. I have seen them asking 200 - 325. Maybe you can add a little more if all matching.

    I think many folks find them less interesting because of the lack of a crest or other major marking on the receiver. The Wz29's that still have the Polish crests are scarcer and in more demand.

    If the vet has any capture papers from the war documenting this rifle, it would place the value much higher, like 800+ (I'm guessing here - maybe more). But you probably know that, since you are knowledgeable about German weapons.

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    Thanks again ryg. I had the rifle almost a year ago for cleaning, and to be honest there were not many serial numbers on it. The few I saw I think matched, including the receiver and bolt. I'll have to let my friend know about the rifle and its history. Unfortunately his father, the Canadian WWII vet, died many years ago and I don't know if the capture papers made the move from Canada to California along with the rifle, but I will have him look as you're absolutely correct, capture documentation adds a great deal of value to the weapon. Thanks again for the information. I probably shouldn't tell you this, as it makes me cringe, but I gave the owner 20 rounds of corrosive surplus to run through it about 8 months ago and he still hasn't cleaned the bore!!! It was great when I serviced the rifle, hopefully it's not too bad now.

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    Default Polish Mauser circa 1938

    Hey everyone, new to the forums, I started posting on another thread and I figured this one was more current so I would throw a link to the forum posts here too. I need some help and info from anyone who is willing to help. Cartoonist, you seem to know the forums and your mausers, so I sent you an email with the information. Sorry my pics dont work yet, someone help with that?

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...927#post688927

    Im gonna go ahead and copy my other post hear just in case no one looks at the other forum

    I stumbled upon a f.b. radom wz.29 Mauser, produced in 1938, in pretty damn good condition. Most pictures I see are a shorter version of this rifle, mine has no cleaner rod slot and a much longer barrel from the end of the stock on (approx. 14 inches off the front of the stock, 23 inches in total from the reciever cover). Serial numbers on the rifle are all matching (49226Z). No rust, good blueing. Pictures are to follow if I can get them to work. I am looking for as much information on this rifle as well as ballpark worth. I will be forwarding this message to you cartoonist as you seem to be quite the expert. Respond on the link or email me at [email protected] with any information or anything you need out of me to further identify the rifle. Thank you very much.
















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    Default FB Radom 1930

    There is a post about this rifle that I started on 1/27/09, including pictures, here is some data for you:

    Model wz 29
    Matching, yes, except bolt
    S/N 51XX
    Model Marking K29
    Crest Markings F.B. Radom 1930, with Polish Eagle
    Bolt type straight, much higher serial number, with German Imperial eagle
    Stock 1 piece
    handguard full length
    front band "H" style
    sling swivels dual
    German residual? one individual who commented on my 1/27/09 post remarked that he thought the bolt markings were German Imperial, it is an eagle shape on the underside
    Other markings? the barrel has a large "S" stamped on the top/center, just forward of the receiver, on the side, there is a Nazi waffenampt, both of these markings were underneath the upper handguard
    Last edited by elokoman; 02-03-2009 at 08:41 AM. Reason: added info. about bolt

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    Thought I knew what I had,but after reading this sticky not so sure.Thought the Radom crested rifle was a wz29,but is it a wz98/29?The other rifle is crested 1926.





    These other 2 rifles have scrubbed receivers. The first rifle is all matching,wood included,except the bolt.Which appears to be a WWI german bolt with Polish inspectors mark.It also has a waffenamt marked bolt release which is numbered to the rifle.




    The last a wz29 washed receiver,all matching numbers including bolt.Came with an Erma sub caliber traing device.




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    Crested F.B.Radom 1930. Sn# 2086 "d". The sear is sn#ed to match. Un-numbered Polish style bolt stop. Receiver, trigger and sear, and bolt stop only.

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    Just picked up a "parts rifle" from gunbroker. It's a large ring action with no markings other than serial number - suffix Z. No import stamp. Rifle has mis-matched bolt. The barrel has a continuous taper- much like a KAR98barrel- instead of contours. I am guessing this is a wz29.

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    That would be my guess too.Washed receiver ,was more than likely exported to Spain for the Republic forces during their civil war. Most of these rifles show hard use,really are veterans of combat.

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    F.B. Radom, Eagle Crest, 1930, 782xp
    Last edited by dondone; 12-11-2009 at 04:53 AM.

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    Default Polish Mauser Questions

    I picked up a Polish Mauser last week, for $150.00. I know near to nothing re the Polish Mauser.

    It had been "sporterized" issue stock had been cut off and rounded, no handguard. The barrelled action is still in original condition though. No further bending of the bolt not drilled or tapped, front sight still original.

    Barrel and reciever numbers match, bolt doesnt.


    The bore is excellent sharp and shiny. The bolt to the action is tight.

    My question is: Is it worth the additional expense to try and bring back the weapon to as close to original condition as possible, being a mixmaster.
    Or, should I just enjoy it as a shooter?

    Same individual has a "bringback" Polish Mauser with no import stamps and ALL matching numbers, as well as the original albeit deteriorating sling for $500.00. (Not Firm).

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    - Model: wz29
    - Matching?: mismatched German bolt
    - S/N on receiver: 88386M
    - Model markings on receiver: wz29
    - Crest markings including armory, year, other: Radom 1934
    - Bolt type (turned, straight), knurled?: turned, K98k bolt
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    Model:kbk wz. 1929 obtained from a kbk wz. 1898, with ad hoc front and rear bands. (wz 98/29?)
    No matching numbers
    Serial number: "551" with a lineout through it
    Model markings: "K98"
    Polish eagle, over "F.B. RADOM 1930"

    It´s a Spanish Civil War veteran.

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    Default No date Radom

    Hello. this is my first post on this Forum. I'm a collector of bayonets but also over the years I did purchase a few Polish mausers. Never took a time to research on them, Polish mausers are very confusing. One of the Radoms I have is marked F.B.Radom but no date of production. Can't find any information about this gun except a picture of one in "Mausers of the World" book. Will appreciate any help from You. Thanks !!

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    You have a K98 with no date and a German type stacking hook, both features that suggest very early Radom production. Maybe 1922-1924, not sure when production started but have seen 1924 dated Radoms. The other markings probably tell more of a story but I do not recognize them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perkun24 View Post
    Thanks, very interesting. According to the article, construction began on the Radom factory buildings on March 15, 1923. The first mention of production in the article is 250 rifles in 1926. We know there are 1924 marked rifles but there must not be very many with that date.

    Correction: The 1924 rifle I was thinking of is marked WARSZAWA, not RADOM. Assuming the article is correct, the first Radom rifles would have been made in 1926. They were made with parts and equipment taken from Warsaw and may well have been marked WARSZAWA, so the first RADOM marked rifles could have been made in 1927. We know from this thread there is at least one Radom rifle with no year date and I am guessing that would have been made in 1926 or 1927.
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    Not a great translation :-)) I used translator provided by Google. In 1926 they were producing 250 rifles PER DAY. Just received information from a gun collector, he also has A Radom with no date and serial # is very close to mine (7404c). His stacking hook is Polish, most of the numbers match.

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    Hi
    This is a long distance call from Norway.

    I inherited a Polish Mauser from my father in law,and wanted to find out som more about it. Google led me to this tread, and if it is of any interest to the treadstarter, here is the data about my rifle:
    Radom 1930 with the Polish Eagle.
    K 29
    S/N 3007 m
    The bolt, stock and floorplate is not original

    With greetings from Norway

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    These rifles are true war veterens. First in WW2 against the German war machine. Then saw 6 more years of war,against the British and Americans.If you want a true piece of history, that saw fighting on all fronts,then kep your Polish 98k. None saw more use!

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