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    We're doing a small survey over on the k98k forum in regards to the Steyr produced I.G.71 rifles. there is an unusual "H" stamp on the receiver, barrel, and the three components of the rear sight for a total of 5.

    It only appears on rifles in the P block dated 1874/1875, none are unit marked, all bear the Prussian cypher so not commercial contract. there is also one Kar.71 example dated 1876 but none others appear as of yet. It does not turn up on any other years or other makers that we know of so it seems unique to this P block.

    Has anyone encountered this and or have any additional rifles to add to the survey? thanks!


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    I wonder if Montenegro obtained any Gew71's from anywhere? That could be a Cyrillic N (which looks like a Latin H). The ruler of Montenegro during that time frame was Nikola I. He was prince regent of a semi-independent Montenegro within the Ottoman Empire. He fought a war with the Ottomans in the late 1870's and won full independence for his country. His title was changed to king in 1910.

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    Montenegro bought 20,000 M73 Werndl rifles. No Mauser purchases are recorded. Connecting that H with Nikola is loooong stretch.
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    I'd say likely not the case here since these rifles have Prussian acceptance. Since it appears only on P block rifles and as of yet not a single P block has been found without it I just couldn't see the Prussian military accepting the rifles then turning around and selling only one block of serial numbers.

    while most of the m71 mausers in Prussian service are unit marked, none of these P block rifles are so the H marking and lack of unit marking would seem to indicate different or specific use, and since none appear before or after the P block and it appears that the entire P block may have had this marking there would seem to be 10,000 of these rifles produced.

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    I wonder if Montenegro obtained any Gew71's from anywhere? That could be a Cyrillic N (which looks like a Latin H). The ruler of Montenegro during that time frame was Nikola I. He was prince regent of a semi-independent Montenegro within the Ottoman Empire. He fought a war with the Ottomans in the late 1870's and won full independence for his country. His title was changed to king in 1910.
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    1876 made, 1877 issued Steyr Kar 71 s/n 8969 (no suffix) has no H. It does have Prussian acceptance and 6th Dragoons unit mark.

    H in unit marks frequently refers to Hessian. Were Hessian weapons by any chance FW accepted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Montenegro bought 20,000 M73 Werndl rifles. No Mauser purchases are recorded. Connecting that H with Nikola is loooong stretch.
    The crown with FW is clearly shown on the photo, so obviously I did not say it could have been an original Montenegrin contract with Steyr. The only possibility would be that it was passed on to them sometime in the life of the rifle. The Montenegrins fought their war for independence from Turkey ending in 1878, so a sudden great need for weapons came up at that time. Prussia could have sold some before they were issued.
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    My guess is that these went to Honduras, as surplus, hence the "H"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim7x57 View Post
    My guess is that these went to Honduras, as surplus, hence the "H"...
    Again, not likely, that would mean the Prussian military went through all their arms and pulled out only all the P block rifles. This mating doesn't appear on any other serial block or any other maker.

    These appear in so many specific locations and on so many small parts its almost certainly marked at the time of manufacture mesning specific intended use with the Prussian military.
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    My 1874 Steyr with the "H" is No. 8958.0 thus killing the "P" series only theory!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim7x57 View Post
    My 1874 Steyr with the "H" is No. 8958.0 thus killing the "P" series only theory!
    Do you have pictures? That is the first and only reported example that isn't a P block, also very late in the O block so these rifles may start to appear in the late O block then. What's the unit mark? And what is the in service date?
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