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    Hello. I recently purchased this K98 that was used by Israel. It is FN marked on the receiver. It looks pretty well used, has some serious pitting on it, but the bore looks very good. I have a few questions about this rifle. I am somewhat confused about the 7.62 mausers used by Israel. I know that Israel received surplus rifles from Czechoslovakia as well as having some made at FN. As I understand it the 7.62 are a mixture of rifles that were converted over to the round as well as ones contracted in 7.62? or were all converted? Also, in order to take the rifle out of the stock, do I have to drive the pin out of the font band?

    Thank you for taking a look and for any information you can provide.
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    I always thought the 7.62 conversion was done by Israel and Norway using orig mauser barrels....on my IDF mauser I have to drive a special pin with a button head out to remove the front band

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetmek View Post
    I always thought the 7.62 conversion was done by Israel and Norway using orig mauser barrels....on my IDF mauser I have to drive a special pin with a button head out to remove the front band
    Yes, it looks like that is how the band is removed. Thanks. Didn't want to drive it out if I wasn't supposed to.


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    Nice rifle, Mike!
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    Thank you!


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    I'd be wary of shooting it with that extensive pitting on the receiver; probably worse below the woodline.

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    That is my thought too, ply, however previous owner used to shoot it. Personally, I will probably at least take it out of the stock first.


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    I have one just like yours; however, I obtained it many years ago, when they were first sold off by Israel and got it in excellent shape. The shop I bought it from told me that these had been re-barreled after NATO adopted the 7.62x54 round. It took a bit to confirm that it did, in fact, take the NATO round (a long story); but, after that, I've really enjoyed shooting it. As suggested though, have it checked out before you shoot it.

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    JLD Enterprises was a major importer of firearms from South and central America during the 1990's. I believe that your Israeli Mauser rifles came from Nicaragua after the revolution there. The Israel had done regular business with the previous regime and sold them a lot of their surplus military weapons and equipment. Years ago I had one of those FN made Israeli contract Mausers that was imported by Armscorp Inc. from Israeli and it was in much better condition. Quite a few surplus firearms that I've seen that came from central American countries had exhibited well worn and pitted condition due to the humid climate and lack of consistent proper care.

    I too would recommend that you remove it from the stock and clean and check it out thoroughly before shooting it.

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    Check the headspace and shoot it.......have you ever seen a M98 blow up even with the largest magnum rounds.....a little pitting is not an issue.

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    Too many Russians here.......a 7.62X54 NATO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argonaut View Post
    Too many Russians here.......a 7.62X54 NATO?
    Haha, experimental round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argonaut View Post
    Too many Russians here.......a 7.62X54 NATO?
    Ooops!
    sorry 'bout that!

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    I had an Israeli Mauser that I Bought from Southern Ohio Guns in the early l990s It was in excellent shape, however it was a little different than yours as the German markings were removed and the Star of David was Stamped into the upper receiver in front of the Bolt. On the stock the German markings on the right side were removed and a round wooded disc was inserted in its place. The story that I got back than was that they were sent to FN in Belgium to have the barrels replaced with 7.62 nato caliber barrels and the bolts altered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesm44 View Post
    Hello. I recently purchased this K98 that was used by Israel. It is FN marked on the receiver. It looks pretty well used, has some serious pitting on it, but the bore looks very good. I have a few questions about this rifle. I am somewhat confused about the 7.62 mausers used by Israel. I know that Israel received surplus rifles from Czechoslovakia as well as having some made at FN. As I understand it the 7.62 are a mixture of rifles that were converted over to the round as well as ones contracted in 7.62? or were all converted? Also, in order to take the rifle out of the stock, do I have to drive the pin out of the font band?

    Thank you for taking a look and for any information you can provide.
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    "Early in 1949 , Jewish authorities purchased a complete Kar 98k factory production line . Due to the availability of effective semi-automatic weapons , work on completely new rifles terminated after the manufacture of only a few . The plant was then used to re-barrel and refurbish German actions and FN purchased weapons to the 7.62x51mm cartridge "

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    I got an Israeli Mauser that started out as a Brazilian contract DWM 7mm that was Israeli armory
    refinished with a new 7.62X54 22 inch FN barrel. It's like a new rifle and shoots well.

    I wouldn't be concerned about that much pitting.
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    There are number of variations of Mauser 98k type rifles as used by Israel. They fall into two broad categories: (A.) Caliber 8mm and (B.) Caliber 7.62 mm Nato. The (A.) type rifles are mostly WW2 German manufacture with some being WW1 type reworked to 98k specs. These are in original 8mm caliber and usually, but not always, have most of their original markings intact, with Israel property marks added.Sometimes, the swastikas are defaced, sometimes not. Most notable is that the front sight protector is often altered by having holes drilled into each side. Type (B.) Mausers mostly conform with Mauser 98k specs except in regards to caliber, which is always 7,62mm NATO and markings generally include the Lion of Judah, Israel property marks and the caliber "7,62", is deeply pressed into the top of the receiver. Most generally made by Czechoslovakia or FN in Belgium. These differ from standard 98k types in that the bayonet lug and front barrel band is held in place by a single pin which passes through them and the stock. Some type (A.) rifles were converted into type (B.) rifles by re barreling to caliber 7,62 NATO. With such reworked rifles, the caliber, "7.62" is generally pressed into the top of the receiver and burnt into the stock in large numbers, near the butt plate.

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    Thanks for all the info guys! I will post up some pics of the underside of the barrel when I get a chance to take it apart and photograph it. According to this article I found online : https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/...raeli-service/ These FN rifles were made in 1952 and were originally chambered in 7.62 NATO, the others the IDF and were converted. Interesting story and kind of a confusing amount of details.


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    I picked one up last month. Similar condition by not as much pitting. I understand that the FN's were made 7.62 NATO in 1952 for Israel IDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemoon110 View Post
    I picked one up last month. Similar condition by not as much pitting. I understand that the FN's were made 7.62 NATO in 1952 for Israel IDF.
    The new book FN Mauser Rifles states that all including the made-new-for-Israel FN rifles were made in 7.92X57 and later rebarreled to 7.62X51 using unfinished barrel blanks supplied by FN. There was a lot of misinformation circulating about these rifles and it is good that this book was published.

    Most, if not all, of the new barrels are dated by Israel.
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    Lots of Israeli Mauser discussions down in the Middle Eastern board too. You may want to cross-post there.

    Have one that began life as a 1938 Mauser (code 42) with the Waffenamt ground off (not unlike a ground mum on an Arisaka). It has a 1956-dated Israeli 7.62 NATO barrel and IMI-marked floorplate to indicate a modified magazine.

    It was part of the batch that was rode hard and put away wet in Guatamala (similar pitting to yours). Was able to get parts here and there but the best score was a complete stock set from an FN. Would love to find one of the Israeli barrels imported 20 or so years ago.

    Managed fo find an M1949 Israeli bayonet on eBay, quite a few out there, it was quite the surprise when it was disassembled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fushigi Ojisan View Post
    Lots of Israeli Mauser discussions down in the Middle Eastern board too. You may want to cross-post there.

    Have one that began life as a 1938 Mauser (code 42) with the Waffenamt ground off (not unlike a ground mum on an Arisaka). It has a 1956-dated Israeli 7.62 NATO barrel and IMI-marked floorplate to indicate a modified magazine.

    It was part of the batch that was rode hard and put away wet in Guatamala (similar pitting to yours). Was able to get parts here and there but the best score was a complete stock set from an FN. Would love to find one of the Israeli barrels imported 20 or so years ago.

    Managed fo find an M1949 Israeli bayonet on eBay, quite a few out there, it was quite the surprise when it was disassembled.
    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...Mauser-bayonet
    Thank you. I will post there. Honestly, I have shot much worse looking rifles, I just want to make sure there aren't surprises under the wood.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesm44 View Post
    Thank you. I will post there. Honestly, I have shot much worse looking rifles, I just want to make sure there aren't surprises under the wood.
    Saw your thread, hopefully people will chime in.

    No surprises under the wood at all, just a lot of rust and pitting. I have photos of mine someplace with the rust issues.

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    Well, definitely not a shooter. Very pitted throughout as you can see in the pics. Previous owner had been shooting it, he almost decided not to sell actually since he liked shooting it so much, but I do not feel comfortable doing so.


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    Well, definitely not a shooter. Very pitted throughout as you can see in the pics. Previous owner had been shooting it, he almost decided not to sell actually since he liked shooting it so much, but I do not feel comfortable doing so.
    That below the wood pitting very well may look worse than be a real problem. Rusty on the INSIDE would worry me more! I would thoroughly clean the chamber and then check the headspace with a NO GO gauge. If it passes muster, it is probably good to go.

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    The inside seems to be quite good actually. Bore is strong, don't see rust on patches. Don't have a headspace gauge. Even so, I don't think I'd shoot it just yet.


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