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    This is my first IDF Mauser. It's a FN in 7.62 NATO. It has a good bore, but otherwise looks very well used. The pitting is pretty much just in the area photographed, but I will have to take it out of the wood to know for sure. Previous owner did shoot it when he owned it so there's that. I posted a thread on this rifle in the Mauser forum, and from that I learned a little about the conversion process and Israel's accumulation of these rifles, and their use in Guatemala. Any info and thoughts would be appreciated.
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    Is the barrel still FN? Any markings on it?

    Here is one of my old threads
    http://forums.gunboards.com/search.php?searchid=9114690


    Below are my barrel pics, note the Hebrew, date, and caliber. Hoping to find a replacement barrel, this one is a bit salty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fushigi Ojisan View Post
    Is the barrel still FN? Any markings on it?

    Here is one of my old threads
    http://forums.gunboards.com/search.php?searchid=9114690


    Below are my barrel pics, note the Hebrew, date, and caliber. Hoping to find a replacement barrel, this one is a bit salty...

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    I could not discern any readable markings on the barrel. As you can see it is pretty chewed up. Kinda disappointed, I was hoping since the previous owner had been shooting it at the very least it would look bad but be usable, but I do not feel confident shooting it. I guess ignorance can be bliss for some people.

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    Mikesm44,

    I would not worry about shooting it. Remember the detent holes for the sight screws are deeper than those pits.

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    Wow, yours is pretty salty.

    To clarify, the markings are on the left side of the barrel between the rear sight and receiver, which you didn't show. They should be just above the woodline.

    Any Hebrew on the bottom of the floorplate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fushigi Ojisan View Post
    Wow, yours is pretty salty.

    To clarify, the markings are on the left side of the barrel between the rear sight and receiver, which you didn't show. They should be just above the woodline.

    Any Hebrew on the bottom of the floorplate?
    There are no markings I can find that I haven't already shown. The ones yo show much simply not be there or worn off.


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    Rebarreled to 308 in 1956.

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    questions :
    how did you determine 1956 ?

    the rec ring is clearly marked 7.62, and not turned down from a prior 7.92 marking.

    so why not an original 7.62 ?, and not a conversion from 8mm(7.92) ?

    i do not see markings on the stock...need more pics.

    this reminds me of a lot that were brought in years back.
    best description was "stored in salt water with oxygen agitation"

    i replaced my bbl with a mauser profile 762x51 and it shoots great.
    due to the poor over all condition and did drill and tap and add a scope.

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    "questions :
    how did you determine 1956 ?
    the rec ring is clearly marked 7.62, and not turned down from a prior 7.92 marking.
    so why not an original 7.62 ?, and not a conversion from 8mm(7.92) ?"

    The barrel is clearly marked "3-56" and "MIFLAN" (in Hebrew). MIFLAN was the company (or IMI branch) that did the conversions from 7.92 to 7.62. Israel did not buy any Mausers in 7.62, they were all converted in mid 1950s when Israel transitioned to the FAL rifle in 7.62 NATO.
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    I think Jonny confused the two rifles, but I appreciate the info on mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny c. View Post
    "questions :
    how did you determine 1956 ?
    the rec ring is clearly marked 7.62, and not turned down from a prior 7.92 marking.
    so why not an original 7.62 ?, and not a conversion from 8mm(7.92) ?"

    The barrel is clearly marked "3-56" and "MIFLAN" (in Hebrew). MIFLAN was the company (or IMI branch) that did the conversions from 7.92 to 7.62. Israel did not buy any Mausers in 7.62, they were all converted in mid 1950s when Israel transitioned to the FAL rifle in 7.62 NATO.
    Are you certain? I had read that the FN Mausers were originally contracted in 7.62 NATO referred to as the Belgian Buy?


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    The picture clearly shows the date of 3-56. You are mistaken about it being originally barreled in 7.62

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fushigi Ojisan View Post
    I think Jonny confused the two rifles, but I appreciate the info on mine!
    Yes, apparently I did confuse the two rifles, sorry.

    On the other hand............I don't believe any of the Israeli contract FN Mausers were originally in 7.62, just 8mm. I don't believe we got a good shot of the barrel on the original rifle in question.
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    Hello. I cannot find any marks beyond those already photographed. The bore does not look as bad as it could by far. Some of you think you would be confident firing this rifle? What do you think? Thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.
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    The new FN Mauser book confirms that the Belgian rifles were delivered in caliber 7.92 starting in the late 40's, as that was the common caliber for the K98k rifles Israel had in service. The conversions were done in the 1955-60 time frame when the switch to 7.62 was made as was mentioned. That's when all the converted rifles got the new 7.62 stamp on the receivers and stocks.

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    Condition is horrible. I would never have bought it. There still appears to be active rust on it. I scrapped about 100 M98 actions that looked like that.

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    Yea, I would have passed, but I thought since the owner shot it he had looked it over. From what I saw it seemed fine. I've shot some with bad pitting before and not thought much, but this one is way past anything like that.


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    Israeli Mausers have a certain cachet to them, especially with this being the 50th Anniversary of the Six-Day War.

    Unfortunately the only ones out there and affordable are the Guatemalan loaners that are super pitted.

    I'm kind of surprised some enterprising kibbutz out there didn't buy a bunch of K98s and create authentic reproductions, same with the bayonets.

    Speaking of which, this is my Israeli bayonet, found it on eBay, they seem easier to come across than the Mausers, in better shape too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fushigi Ojisan View Post
    Israeli Mausers have a certain cachet to them, especially with this being the 50th Anniversary of the Six-Day War.

    Unfortunately the only ones out there and affordable are the Guatemalan loaners that are super pitted.

    I'm kind of surprised some enterprising kibbutz out there didn't buy a bunch of K98s and create authentic reproductions, same with the bayonets.

    Speaking of which, this is my Israeli bayonet, found it on eBay, they seem easier to come across than the Mausers, in better shape too
    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...Mauser-bayonet
    Haha. That is true.

    Nice bayonet. If I end up keeping the rifle I'll have to track one down too. I think I'll subject it to some electrolysis, see what shakes out. People on the milsurps.com forums seem to think it is far from lost. And as others here have pointed out. I mean, the previous owner was getting decent groups from it so it is worth a shot I think.


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    "create authentic reproductions"

    Is that even possible???
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