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    Default Ruger or S&W-- Which AR to buy?

    I am trying to decide which one to buy. Ruger AR556 or S&W M&P Sport II. I only have about $600 or so to spend and while I am not expecting a race gun, I would like to get the most bang for my buck. All meaningful input as to why or why not will be appreciated. This has most likely been around the threads before but I don't see it right off. Thanks
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    Between those two I'd get the S&W
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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    Between those two I'd get the S&W
    concur,

    however both are good guns (just like the SW a bit better for no particular reason)

    ruger has been on sale much cheaper lately
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    The Ruger has some nonstandard parts on it, the plastic delta ring, the front sight is not mil spec, etc... I'm also not sure the barrel is nitraded like the S&W has and the triggers aren't as nice as well (at least it wasn't in the 5 examples I've messed with). IMO The S&W would be perfect if they would put a mid length gas system but maybe that will be the Sport 3
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    i would skip a gun with core parts that are not close to "mil spec".
    lots of guns and upper/lowers on sale right now.
    as i pointed out look at stag they have been having sales.
    buying an upper and a lower as two parts should save you about
    $100, but you give up the warranty.
    s&w and ruger are both rather new in the ar field, stag and
    others have been there done that.
    stag, rock river,armalite
    while i have no psa's a lot of guys here have been happy with them.

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    stag currently has a rifle, less buttstock and hand guard, on sale.
    if you have a dealer you can work with, it would be worth the effort.
    add your choice of buttsock( i like utg upgrade) and a handguard.
    and you are ready to go.
    chrome lined bore and buffer tube included.
    flat top ready for your choice of sights/optics

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    For 600$ you could build an AR with the parts that you want, not be stuck with whatever stock parts are supplied by S&W or Ruger that may be swapped out at a later date. You will also gain more pride in a rifle constructed by your own hands.

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    Lots of options now with ARs; it depends on the buyer and what they want. A friend recently wanted to pick up an AR; he is going on 73 years old. While he has decades of experience with anything from 1911s to 2 inch revolvers and various hunting rifles and milsurp bolt guns he has never owned an AR15.

    At his age he had no interest in building an AR and only wanted a solid AR to enjoy. He decided on the S&W M&P Sport II and we found one for $475.00 shipped. He put a 4x scope on it and loves the thing. It is reliable and accurate; so far he has tried Wolf Gold 55gn, PMC 55gn, Lithuanian M855; Armscor 55gn PSP and Fiocchi 50gn ballistic tips. He is using GI 20rd mags I gave him and they fit and function great.

    The only issue he has had with the rifle was with a pro mag 5 rd mag he recently bought for hunting. It was too tight and got stuck in the mag well.
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    Not the smith too many quality control problems that I've seen personally.
    I don't like Ruger products...but they are improving....
    Many to choose from and prices still falling so you have many brands to research ...
    don't be in a hurry as of yet....April will bottom out everything related to guns lot stock and ammo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudoven View Post
    For 600$ you could build an AR with the parts that you want, not be stuck with whatever stock parts are supplied by S&W or Ruger that may be swapped out at a later date. You will also gain more pride in a rifle constructed by your own hands.
    True right now you can get a decent complete upper (well at least as good as the Ruger or S&W) for as little as $260, a complete lower (milspec aluminum) for $130. If you call putting the two together "building" there isn't much else to do (maybe add as many magazines and/or optics/sights as you might want and call it complete. But to some that's a risk too much so I understand why some will pay extra to have someone else insert those 2 pins, it's simply a peace of mind thing.
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    if you squeeze some taco sauce onto those pins they go in almost by themselves.

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    It's not that I don't want to put one together. It's just that I saw the Ruger, factory built and shipped for $499. I have always had good luck with Ruger and they have always taken care of any issues without a problem. I've never owned a M&P and am just curious as to value. Lots of good input here.
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    Buy the Smith, if you want to modify it in the future....no problem everything fits. I have several S&W rifles in my pile of AR's and modified one into a neat light weight rifle that really handles and shoots nice.
    Ruger is ok, built like other Rugers always with some stupid quirk ( like many of their magazines) where you must buy their parts. My Scout in .223 and American Ranch in 300 Blackout would be twice the rifle if they were to utilize Magpul P mags instead of the metal monster (Scout) or unreliable rotary (American) plastic mess now designed for.

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    Of the two brands, go with S&W per experts above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milprileb View Post
    Of the two brands, go with S&W per experts above.

    Thats what I'm leaning towards. On sale for $519 delivered.
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    Who's selling them for that price, I may have to jump in..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    The Ruger has some nonstandard parts on it, the plastic delta ring, the front sight is not mil spec, etc... I'm also not sure the barrel is nitraded like the S&W has and the triggers aren't as nice as well (at least it wasn't in the 5 examples I've messed with). IMO The S&W would be perfect if they would put a mid length gas system but maybe that will be the Sport 3
    handled a ruger today, as in closeup,

    delta ring is plastic and threaded (easy to remove the cheap handguards that are not lined)
    front site is funky, (alloy)
    this was a compliant gun, fixed rear stock, no thread on barrel,
    but the barrel was a HBAR type, if that matters ,

    personally, I would pass
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    so...Ruger is offering us the Ford Pinto of brand name M4's.

    Roaring success that Pinto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milprileb View Post
    so...Ruger is offering us the Ford Pinto of brand name M4's.

    Roaring success that Pinto.

    The Pinto was a good little car, no major mechanical problems or recalls, and worked quite well at burning alive the occupants if hit from the rear..
    But really, as long as nobody who was going 60 hit you from behind while it was standing still, they were pretty good little cars.
    Now the Yugo, THAT was a steaming pile of do-do...

    And again, where can I get the S+W delivered for just above $500?

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    Chasdev, Try CDNN they are advertising Ruger for $499 and a few days ago the Smith was $519 i believe. Better yet they have Colt 6920 with a scope, case and ugly quad rail for $899.

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