1930 Izhevsk Dragoon. Matching Finn Capture
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    Default 1930 Izhevsk Dragoon. Matching Finn Capture

    Hey guys,
    Just got this locally from a friend. I don't really collect rifles this early but when I saw it was factory matching I had to buy it. The Finns captured this but didn't do anything to it except for the SA stamp.

    At first I thought that the <P> markings were because it had a repair at one time. But I can find nothing they repaired. So Ratnik and I have a new theory. We believe that when a factory used a older receiver in production that they marked all parts with the <P>. The reason we believe this is because it is clear on this rifle (and on others we have seen) that the factory offset the serial numbers to leave space for the <P>. This is most obvious on the butt plate.

    So, if you own a late 1920s or early 1930s Dragoon can you please take a look. Please let me know if 1.) Does it use a recycled receiver? 2.) Does it have a <P> on the barrel and any factory matching parts? This is important because only factory parts will prove our theory. If so, please share a picture of the barrel.

    I am sure Ratnik will come along and correct me on anything that needs correcting. Hope you enjoy this rifle.


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    The only thing that I would like to add is seems that special marking <P> for recycled receiver was used only by Izhevsk and in 1926-1932 (according to presence of this marking at the rifles). 1925 is under question.
    In 1931-1932 marking was used also at M91\30 rifles.
    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...-Izhevsk-91-30
    http://www.russian-mosin-nagant-foru...ic.php?t=21310

    Even refurbished rifles should remain <P> marking at the top right part of the barrel shank
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    Can't help with the <P>. But I do enjoy the rifle!

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    Here is a picture of another rifle with the <P> on the barrel for reference. I will take a better one of my rifle later.

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    Glad to see some research being done into this!

    Congratulations, one of my dream rifles right there. I shall live vicariously through you.
    Looking for Mosin 91/30 bayonet ГС4625. Will pay well!

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    Here is a better picture of the <P> on my barrel.

    No other responses? I know many here like Dragoons (and own them). Please check your rifles and share if they have a <P> and older receiver.

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    Interesting. Must of missed this thread though. I only have a limited Dragoon collection and only two are in the age bracket listed. My two 1929s with different logos do not have your P questioned markings. Actually I only have 7 the rest are 1920-1924 and no luck. But one of them is SA marked and I found a lightly stamped "41" that I hadn't noticed before, so it was worth the look. Good luck with your search and nice looking rifle. 1930 is one of my favorite years, though I don't know why? Regards, John.

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    I have a 1930 dragoon. Not finned, not scw nor balkans. Has the p mark as seen. I remember seeing this a couple days ago and just noticed it on my dragoon today. Also on a 1920 tula receiver

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    Maine Sako, great. But we can't see your picture. Try going into "Go Advanced" and re-posting it. Thanks!

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    I have 1934 Izhevsk with similar <p> marked. I belived it is repaired gun.
    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...24#post3287124

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    Thanks Alexnev. Can you please post a better picture of the <P> on the barrel please? Your rifle doesn't support the theory about older receivers. But if you notice, your butt plate numbering is factory and they off set it for the <P> which supports the idea that this is the way the rifles left the factory and that they are not a repair mark from a depot. Still, why did they mark them this way?

    Perhaps the rules were different for 1934 rifles? Or perhaps the <P> was used anytime a older part was used? It looks like your rifle used a older Tula Stock.

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