Rifle is designed for the military d166 load
some of you may have seen how nice is Finland with her nature, women and of course Rifles.
i went this morning at range with a M28-57 to test it and try various ammo.
i only shoot at 100m for the first rounds, next time i will shoot to 200m.
the pics show you 155gr lapua scenar ( 5 rounds ), 185gr D47 lapua ( 5 rounds ) and 200gr D166 lapua ( 2 series - 4 and 3 rounds), all homemade with N140 and cci200.
if someone plays with one, what kind of ammo does he use ?
Rifle is designed for the military d166 load
Seems like healthy "JK/39 with diopter" accuracy to me. I would use D-166 and 2.80 or 2.85 grams of N140 for that one as the base rifle is m/39.
How was this nuclear device shipped? Mine was all messed up after travelling 350 km or so. Fortunately it didn't end like North Korean missile test.
Wow, that's a double standard to say the least.
Wow that's a beautiful rifle with great accuracy! Thanks for sharing with us! Bill
zeebill live from the hills of West Virginia!
Oh the Finnish mindset, what a great advantage for you folks...
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Who is the maker of the barrel by the way? I can see the caliber marking on the left side of the chamber but is it a CIP mark or part of the actual barrel markings?
i know what is a cip mark, but what kind of mark are on the barrel from the various manufacture ?
i have a late 69 and 70 M39 with a no mark barrel excepted the date.
I'm afraid that's rather broad question to answer. Basically you can find all the possible m/39 or m/28-30 barrel marks there or if the gun has been assembled later by a gunsmith with aftermarket barrel he may have left his marks. Is this a four groove barrel or something else?
This thread might help you out with the markings.
yes it looks being a 4 groove, i will check during the next cleaning with a vfg pellet.
Beautiful rifle, you must be proud to own that. Good shooting too! Thanks for showing us...
of course i'm happy to get a rare shooter like this one, and it's always fun to go at range with it.
the funniest part is the visit of others shooters, and some coments like " it seems to be a mosin, but it's a strange one" when most of the shooters here have 91/30 and have never seen a Finnish one.
Finland has still a lot of treasures, and you can always do a show at range with rifles from this country ...
when you exhibit a saturday afternoon 3 winch95 russian in original condition, because Finland has tons of them, your table becomes very fast an attraction.
I've had a Finnish scalper (not this seller) saying personally he couldn't care less if his actions do harm to local collectors. However, he doesn't seem to realize he's digging his own grave as well. The rifles are not coming back but go out of circulation for good and eventually he has nothing to sell. Fair trade, huh?
I'm sorry, OT posts like this should probably be on Minefield or somewhere else.
is there a lot of people in Finland collecting local rifles ? if someone like me, with 3 or 4 contacts can get this kind of rifles... why the local collectors missed it ?
i've seen one on asetekno website, ok you may find it expensive regarding what you usually pay, he needs a bit of restoration but it s for sale for months, maybe years ... i've always seen it for sale. nobody looks interested ?
it's a bit like the winch95, you have a lot of them, i get some in original condition, i get also one in hunting mode but original caliber and i've ordered woods in usa to restore it in original condition.
one rifle in your country is less expensive than a part of the rifle on ebay or numrich...
in France there is no russian winch95, and if you check for other win95 models, you can sometimes find some in specialized gunshop with a price going up to 4K€ ... so despite the high price of air shipping, fees ... it's always interesting to get rifles from you.
unfortunately France has always mass produced the rifles, we don't have rare and prestigious guns like your, and they are expensive here because a lot of stupid governments have sold all of them everywhere in the world excepted here ...
in example a MAS36, in original caliber/condition, is sold around 400€ in germany and 800 € in France, this rifle is all excepted rare as it was produced at around 2Millions units, so if you want one you import it from somewhere else.
i don't know what kind of guns Finnish collectors are looking for, but they have some of the finest and nicest rifles of the world ...
CH, fear not, there are plenty of very good and very rare finnish Mosins left in Finland, at least around where I live and shoot.
Mas 36 is like all other french designed weapons, it's . You can keep them !
I fired all of the french designed weapons since 1893 except the 24/29, the 49/56 might be the only proper battle rifle produced by the french during the last 200 years.
French designers tend to have the bad idea to look for stupidily complex solutions to fix simple problems.
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anyway, it's not the subject here
i tried a few rounds at 200m, at the closure of the range. result seems interesting.
That is good shooting and a fine rifle.
Well, you get the idea.
I must however say that interest here in finnish Mosins isn't maybe as high as it is in other countries and if you can make few hundred euros more by selling the same rifle outside Finland, why not ?
At least the rifles will be preserved. At the end of the day, as long as one rifle of each variant remains in the country, where's the problem ?
But hey, i'm a shooter, not a collector
I doubt that lack of interest would be the main reason for limited demand, it's our gun laws. As we know, at the moment in Finland you can't buy a Mosin-Nagant just because it is nice to have or you might need one in the future. You have to have a proven history as a reservist shooter or you have to be a licensed collector. Hunters might get a license too but since, according to some, it's questionable if the rifle is well suitable for hunting one cannot necessarily count on that. If we exclude Finland, could you name a country that has as much or more interest in Finnish Mosin-Nagants per capita?
One of each variant? Is there no problem as long as there's one in the War Museum? With some models like m/27 RVs that IS the case already. As to more common ones, yes, we are a small country and our market is limited. There's no way our market could have absorbed all the Mosin-Nagants that the Finnish Army has surplussed and it's good the excess was exported and is remaining where they are preserved. This has already happened and it's part of history now.
However, the question of "abundance of Mosin-Nagants" still remaining Finland depends on whether we talk about the numbers in Finnish or worldwide scale. If we have over hundred rifles of some variant remaining in the country it means the gun is not very rare. It should be remembered though that quantity such as this is like a molecule in the ocean when it comes to global surplus market. What I'm saying here is that narrative like "Finland is full of treasures" to collectors around the world is somewhat the same as announcing "we have unlimited resources, you are welcome!" to the Third World people. Neither is sustainable.
Yes, one or two not very rare rifles exported isn't the end of the world but at the end of the day this may become like the story of a fool man loading logs. After each log he said to his horse "If you can pull that, sure you can pull this too". This went on and on and when the load was ready the horse couldn't pull the logs. The man couldn't understand why.
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I think one distinction needs to be made : the rifles that are in private hands in Finland can't really leave the country anymore because of the bureaucracy. On the other hand, there has been a small but steady influx of rifles entering shops because their previous owners died and the family does not care about this old junk. This is how i have gotten my mosins at bargain price and i suspect that another radioactive place is doing the same. On average i get offered one rifle to buy per 2 months from my channels, and since i passes on most they got to end up somewhere, France it seems
once you look at the m16 or the ak47 you understand what solid design is about !
there is not a lot of Finnish mosin in France, and most of them are in collector's hands, not shooters.
even if this rifle is as accurate or maybe more accurate than a springfield 1903, all the best shooters are using 1903A3 and AR15 in competitions. all the A3 are stock bedding to get the best of them whereas it's useless with a m39
now when you go to a challenge with a M39, a russian contract winchester 1895 or a M44, people are more interested by your guns and you can have nicer discussion than the best shooters with their a3.
the mas in general falls in rare rifle because all the stock has been sold everywhere in the world excepted to french shooters, most of these rifles are reimported.
you have 2 philosophy when you shoot , or you want a medal, or you want to keep alive interesting guns... up to each people to choose his mindset.
In most (almost in all) MAS36 the POI changes a lot as the barrel gets warmer. It's a design flaw with the front wood furnitures. My grandfather was a regimental armorer from 1929 to 1949 in the french army and he always considered the MAS 36 to be a royal piece of shit, saying that it was designed at a time when there was plenty of good rifles to copy from and even being the last they could not get it right.
He told for instance that it was not unusual for some Mas36 to be impossible to sight properly and these had to be put in storage or transferred to the Navy and Air force
His personal opinion was that the Springfield was the best bolt action he worked on but considered the caliber to be too powerful for the job.
So nothing really great about the 36
The 49/56 has its flaws, for ex the french army ordered a batch of them in 7,62x51 but they never could get them to properly work (excessive wear) because of the bolt locking design
Famas is very picky on the cases, ruptures with brass casing is not uncommon, to the point they had to armor the cheek rest !
And so on
These are examples of the french "design philosophy" where everything works but on the edge, without margin
It is no secret why the french army took the HK416 - it is designed and made, at last, by the germans !
As for the 49/56, it's nothing different than any other tilting bolt design and they have replaceable locking surfaces. I've never heard anything bad about the 7.62NATO rifles. They were just test pieces.