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    Default VERY long-range 6.5x55SE data needed, please.

    A fellow shooter over here in UK is determined to shoot his 6.5x55SE Tikka rifle out to not just 1500 yards, but hopefully, a full mile.

    Is he farting in the thunder, or has he any hope of achieving his aim, so to speak?

    He is, of course, a keen handloader, but knowledge of shooting this round at such a distance is way over my pay scale. He has the choice of any bullet you might mention, BTW.

    He is also looking to find a scope that has sufficient magnification and clicks to enable him to do it.

    On a budget of around $1K.

    TIA

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    Tac: I've forwarded your query to friend in Minnesota that shoots a 6.5X55 Tikka long range.

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    I don't think he can get the velocity to make it, but then again I've shot 1/2 inch groups at 100 yds with a Rem 510 .22. He might get them out there, but can he score?
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    You won't find a scope to do it, not enough internal elevation, for pretty much ANY cartridge.

    The people doing it over here are using "slanted" scope bases/rings.

    Most are doing it with AR's of some caliber, and so they get a "20-MOA base", which basically tilts a set of rings to START with close to 22" of elevation at 100 yards.
    Something along this line is how he's going to have to mount a scope, not parallel to his bore.
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    while i consider the swede a 100 years before its time,
    i think bullet weight will kill the task.
    how long is the bbl on the rifle ?
    i shot this week end with a guy that had
    a custom 6.5 creedmore. we were shooting
    875 to 2023 yards. he came in second to last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldstuffer View Post
    You won't find a scope to do it, not enough internal elevation, for pretty much ANY cartridge.

    The people doing it over here are using "slanted" scope bases/rings.

    Most are doing it with AR's of some caliber, and so they get a "20-MOA base", which basically tilts a set of rings to START with close to 22" of elevation at 100 yards.
    Something along this line is how he's going to have to mount a scope, not parallel to his bore.
    This is probably the easiest way to mount a scope with additional elevation: http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting...ignature-rings

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    Many thanks, Gentlemen - food for thought indeed.

    BTW, he has a 24" bbl Tikka.

    My own view is that the short barrel is going to screw him on this one.

    Not enough velocity developed, unless he's going to use nuclear power...

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    if he can find old copies or source of 'PRECISION SHOOTING"
    a guy did 1000 yd br with a swede. with all the work he did,
    in the end it was not competitive.

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    Shepards....have interesting set ups and repertation.
    I owned one short while.....two many things going on in the scope interfering with what was shot at out side the scope....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ar10ar15man View Post
    if he can find old copies or source of 'PRECISION SHOOTING"
    a guy did 1000 yd br with a swede. with all the work he did,
    in the end it was not competitive.
    Limes and oranges. Modern 6.5X55 rifles, e.g. Tikka T3, CZ550, SAKO 85, can take much more pressure than an M96.

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    i guess i missed the PUBLISHED plus p data.
    the new case with a stronger base to take the pressure ?
    saami is 51 kpsi
    and cip is 3800 bar/55kpsi
    as always do what you feel safe with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar10ar15man View Post
    i guess i missed the PUBLISHED plus p data.
    the new case with a stronger base to take the pressure ?
    saami is 51 kpsi
    and cip is 3800 bar/55kpsi
    as always do what you feel safe with.
    Some reputable reloading manuals have separate data for the M96/M38 Swedish Mauser and for modern rifles. The Vihta Vuori manual has data that is tested in the Sauer STR 200, and since this rifle has three barrel options - 26.4", 27.6" and 29.1" - the tables have three columns listing MV. For example, the Scenar 136 gr over 49.4 gr Vihta Vuori N560 will yield 2956 FPS from the 29" barrel.

    Listed brass is Lapua, of course. I am not aware of any "+P" brass for rifles.

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    geez, if you guys could only push a little harder, the sweede will turn into a 264WinMag. In my M96s w/about 140gr Norma and handloads speeds can approach 2900fps and with 156grainers a little over 2500fps. Work up carefully Norma and others can push pressures past 45KCUP. There is a lot more going on other than speed in long range accuracy. BestAll

















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    for the brave at heart.
    '96's are converted to 30/06 in sweden
    and CERTIFIED for 4050 bar or 58.7kpsi.
    you should note that this is LESS than std saami 30'06,
    but obviously more than 6.5x55

    again this is an area to tip toe into.

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    [QUOTE=Oldstuffer;6697826]You won't find a scope to do it, not enough internal elevation, for pretty much ANY cartridge.

    The people doing it over here are using "slanted" scope bases/rings.

    Most are doing it with AR's of some caliber, and so they get a "20-MOA base", which basically tilts a set of rings to START with close to 22" of elevation at 100 yards.
    Something along this line is how he's going to have to mount a scope, not parallel to his bore. i've shot long range with 2 or more targets stacked in a row just shoot the top target and score the bottom target , just for fun before you make up bases for elevation better to try it before spending $$$$$$$

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    actually there are a few target scopes that will do this out of the box.
    while a 15/20 moa base makes it easier, it is not always required.
    a nightforce 5.5-22x has 100 MOA built in on the elevation turret.
    several do a bit less and lots at 50 or so.
    you will not really know what you need till you work out the balistics.
    i used a tilted base in my mk 13 sniper rifle with a nf 5.5-22x, and my
    100 yard zero is almost at the bottom of my elevation, which means i can
    go about 1.5 miles on the turrets, and then go to the reticle for more.

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    Thanks, Sir, for that. Given he's trying to do this with a scope buy of around the equivalent of $1000, I reckon he's on a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacfoley2 View Post
    Thanks, Sir, for that. Given he's trying to do this with a scope buy of around the equivalent of $1000, I reckon he's on a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon View Post
    This is probably the easiest way to mount a scope with additional elevation: http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting...ignature-rings
    Yes, something like those. 40MOA are apparently possible with those.

    The Vihta Vuori manual has data that is tested in the Sauer STR 200, the Scenar 136 gr over 49.4 gr Vihta Vuori N560 will yield 2956 FPS from the 29" barrel.
    I test drove this past Realguns' external ballistics calculator, it would only let me have 1,000 yard max (call it 900M for you metrical folks).
    At an 800 yard zero, the bullet hits 1,000 yards 85.5 inches below line of sight.
    At around 430 yards, it peaks out at almost 60" above line of sight.


    JBM's calculator let me have more range, I set a 1200 yard zero and a 1700 yard (1 mile) end target.

    You lob the bullet 177" high at 700 yards, 1200 yard zero, and still comes in 744 inches below line of sight at 1700 yards.......................

    Your buddy has a mortar, waste of effort to try this IMO, but hey, that just means I won't be doing it................................................ .
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    Is there a Vortex scope with tons of elevation? If so, he could make the $1000 scope limit along with 20 MOA base/rail.

    24" barrel might get extreme ranges...I'd bet a 26" is the way to go.
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    from my shooting buddies,
    the top end vortex's are great scopes.
    end of comment

    maybe look at used.
    i did 2000 plus yards with 22X
    so high mag is not REQUIRED if
    the target is over 1ft sq.

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    Having 33x44 X fixed powered scope being put on my tikka varmint bull barrel....
    Rifles In 223 (started work last week) ..hope I like the scope.?
    It's the third scope I've tried to put on this rifle...
    can't find a scope my poor eyes like !
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    Quote Originally Posted by DK PHILLIPS View Post
    Having 33x44 X fixed being put on my tikka varmint bull barrel....
    In 223 last week ..hope I like it..?
    .third scope I've tried to put on....can't find something my poor eyes like !
    Dang DK, you are writing like that Cajun over on mine fields these days. How about complete sentences for a change !!!! I need a translator to break the code on what you wrote above !!!

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    Pressure confusion exists all over Swederland and elsewhere too. 30'06 pressures can be 50KCUP or 55Kpsi by strain/piezo. Some of Norma's hotter Swede loads can also push 55Kpsi by strain/piezo. All swdeish mausers were factory proofed at 4050 bar or about 59-62KCUP. And I am led to believe that in modern europe, guns are reproofed with ownership change

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    where do people come up with this stuff ??
    saami for 30'06 is 60k psi.
    cip is pretty clear on 6.5x55 .
    NOT ONE OF MY SWEDES HAD A PSI/BAR REPROOF LISTED,'
    unlike finn m39s which were clearly marked.


    Quote Originally Posted by lonniemike View Post
    Pressure confusion exists all over Swederland and elsewhere too. 30'06 pressures can be 50KCUP or 55Kpsi by strain/piezo. Some of Norma's hotter Swede loads can also push 55Kpsi by strain/piezo. All swdeish mausers were factory proofed at 4050 bar or about 59-62KCUP. And I am led to believe that in modern europe, guns are reproofed with ownership change

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