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    France was almost bled to death during WW I.
    If ever you travel in France, have a look at the monuments that can be found in every French village, you will find the list of the soldiers killed. It is always a very long one.

    There are some reenactors that gather to the monuments and there was a group that had been doing this for more than 25 years in the Eparges region. This year the Prefet (governor appointed by french governement) of the Marne dpartement banned all firearms even dewat or fake for so called "safety reasons".

    As a reaction the group arrived in full 1914-1915 uniform armed with BROOMS !!!




    Just a few hours later a terrorist is attacking policemen with an full auto weapon on the Champs Elyses ... for political correctness reasons I will not try to guess for what reasons he attacked them.

    France has gone mad.

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    Its a shame European nations have forgotten both their history with firearms and the values of an armed populace. A secular nation like France that was invaded by a powerful neighbor several times and relied on dedicated, armed, civilian resistance fighters, to help liberate their nation would value the peoples armament more.

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    This may just kill the plans for 100th Anniversary of the end of La Grande Guerre march in Paris on November 11th, 2018. I know the guys were looking forward to this as was I, I was planning on doing this with them.

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    France is heading to madness again. The same madness that killed a generation of men in 1914 - 1918 and enslaved a continent and world in socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6mm USN View Post
    France is heading to madness again. The same madness that killed a generation of men in 1914 - 1918 and enslaved a continent and world in socialism.
    Eh socialism did a lot of good for Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moblotaire View Post
    France was almost bled to death during WW I.
    If ever you travel in France, have a look at the monuments that can be found in every French village, you will find the list of the soldiers killed. It is always a very long one.

    There are some reenactors that gather to the monuments and there was a group that had been doing this for more than 25 years in the Eparges region. This year the Prefet (governor appointed by french governement) of the Marne dpartement banned all firearms even dewat or fake for so called "safety reasons".

    As a reaction the group arrived in full 1914-1915 uniform armed with BROOMS !!!




    Just a few hours later a terrorist is attacking policemen with an full auto weapon on the Champs Elyses ... for political correctness reasons I will not try to guess for what reasons he attacked them.

    France has gone mad.

    Moblotaire (from France)
    I am sorry your country has gone mad,,

    I was in London with the wife almost 10 yrs ago,
    we did a few day trips to the country side and noticed in every Church there was a big statue or some type of monument dedicated to those that died in WWI
    what's so funny about peace love and understanding?

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    Yet I understand a French Muslim terrorist attacked police with a machine gun.

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    Past year the french antique sales market has just about died. Think I'm going to re chamber a couple 1873's to 45 auto rim as they sell to the Canadians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelation1911 View Post
    Past year the french antique sales market has just about died. Think I'm going to re chamber a couple 1873's to 45 auto rim as they sell to the Canadians.
    I am Canadian... leave those antiques in original caliber please... there are some sane Canadians left... only a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcvando View Post
    I am Canadian... leave those antiques in original caliber please... there are some sane Canadians left... only a few.

    Likewise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TooTallDean View Post
    Likewise.
    (I recognize your name from CGN.)
    Hey! I recognize you too

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    Knightm16 - "Eh socialism did a lot of good for Europe." Really, been to Greece, Spain, Italy, Sweden lately? I have, not working. Single payer Government health care is fine, just don't get sick! Why do you think anyone with $$ comes to the U.S. for treatment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sssniper View Post
    Knightm16 - "Eh socialism did a lot of good for Europe." Really, been to Greece, Spain, Italy, Sweden lately? I have, not working. Single payer Government health care is fine, just don't get sick! Why do you think anyone with $$ comes to the U.S. for treatment!
    Well they don't lol. France, sweden, germany, and the UK all have amazing medical programs that are provided via a single payer system. The issues Europe is facing today is based more around immigration and the legacy of colonialism on the middle east. Spain and Greece have economic issues due to not working enough. France gives a lot of time off but they are doing well because the French are some of the most productive workers in Europe. Exceeding Americans on a daily basis by 30%! Spain and Greece are not.

    Sweden's main issues is that its becoming hyper socialist and losing some of what capitalism adds in strength.

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    It is an insult to everyone,both veterans and society at large,to ban rifles at such events.....maybe the brooms are some sort of protest at this nonsense.

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    What was really appalling to me was the Verdun ceremony...with young people running among the graves and then play-fighting
    all to the sound of jungle drums!

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    The real problem is the west has stopped having children. That is why the elites are importing folks to replace the dying population.

    Germany, France, UK, Sweden, Switzerland. All have birth rates of around 1.46 children per domestic female, when you need a birth rate of around 2.07 to just stay even.

    The African/middle eastern immigrants do not care about WWI, any more than western residents of Europe would consider the 1879 Zulu war as being of interest or commemorate the Balkan war of 1912-1913.

    Odd enough I have read many who feel WWI was the start of the decline of European civilization, when it went from a growing confident civilization to an inward self -loathing one. There is a lot to back up that contention, all the more reason to be mindful of it.

    Not much different here in the US. The 100 year anniversary of the civil war was huge, the 125 kind of big, the 150th barely registered, the 100th anniversary of the US entry into WWI has barely registered, took the family to the local armory to commemorate the NG unit that left on that date for federal service, other than a few older VFW folks there was virtually no one there.

    Papers and press are much more interested in Social Justice Issues.

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    In New Orleans, in the dead of night, we destroy our Confederate monuments. Now the liberals want to change the names of Lee Circle and Jeff Davis Avenue. Hang on, more insanity coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    The real problem is the west has stopped having children. That is why the elites are importing folks to replace the dying population.

    Germany, France, UK, Sweden, Switzerland. All have birth rates of around 1.46 children per domestic female, when you need a birth rate of around 2.07 to just stay even.

    The African/middle eastern immigrants do not care about WWI, any more than western residents of Europe would consider the 1879 Zulu war as being of interest or commemorate the Balkan war of 1912-1913.

    Odd enough I have read many who feel WWI was the start of the decline of European civilization, when it went from a growing confident civilization to an inward self -loathing one. There is a lot to back up that contention, all the more reason to be mindful of it.

    Not much different here in the US. The 100 year anniversary of the civil war was huge, the 125 kind of big, the 150th barely registered, the 100th anniversary of the US entry into WWI has barely registered, took the family to the local armory to commemorate the NG unit that left on that date for federal service, other than a few older VFW folks there was virtually no one there.

    Papers and press are much more interested in Social Justice Issues.
    I was at Appomattox for the 150th, it was s schload of people there,

    not sure how that would compare to the 125th,


    there are lots of historical stuff happening in central VA, and a lot of the memorial services\events\etc are sparsely attended
    what's so funny about peace love and understanding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mp44 View Post
    In New Orleans, in the dead of night, we destroy our Confederate monuments. Now the liberals want to change the names of Lee Circle and Jeff Davis Avenue. Hang on, more insanity coming.
    But Lee and Davis fought against the U.S.A? I never could understand why loyal Americans would lionize such traitors to hero status. Why not find some loyal Americans from New Orleans, folks who fought FOR the USA during the Civil War and put up a statute to them instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45Auto View Post
    But Lee and Davis fought against the U.S.A? I never could understand why loyal Americans would lionize such traitors to hero status. Why not find some loyal Americans from New Orleans, folks who fought FOR the USA during the Civil War and put up a statute to them instead?
    George Washington was also a "traitor."

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    Quote Originally Posted by diss0lutus View Post
    George Washington was also a "traitor."
    If I was an Englishman I would agree. But I'm an American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45Auto View Post
    If I was an Englishman I would agree. But I'm an American.
    Lee and Davis were Americans.

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    In reply to the OP, this is very sad. However, I could see many cities in the US (especially on the West Coast) have this same idea...
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    I recently did an event at the NM National Guard Museum in Santa Fe, NM, where they held an event for the 100th Anniv. of the entry of the US into WWI, it was a small event but fun, they had WWI and WWII reenactors together talking to the public that came.
    I brought up some of my collection of WWI French stuff to display for it. I got to see some friends and people I had not seen in years such as the Brigadier General Salas who is the Adjutant General of the NM National Guard, who I knew in the Air National Guard when I served in it. I also got to meet the Museum Director, Captain Gabe Petermen of the NM Army National Guard and we hit it off right away, we plan on doing more events down the road at the museum.
    If you ever get the chance to visit Santa Fe, it is worth visiting this museum, especially the NM contribution to WWII exhibits as the 200th and 515th Coast Artillery Regiments were part of the Bataan Defense and participated in the Bataan Death March. The location of the museum was the old NM National Guard HQ where these men processed into the unit to go to the Philippines and later also was used to process the men into the 120th Engineer and 804th Tank Destroyer Battalion that went to Europe.

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    My God Patrick, you could have supplied a division of French soldiers. Great collection! Ray

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    These were just the 'ones' of each different types, I have other examples of the same types and then some post-WWI ones as well. I ran out of room for other things on the display, I could have filled another two tables with equipment and other stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45Auto View Post
    But Lee and Davis fought against the U.S.A? I never could understand why loyal Americans would lionize such traitors to hero status. Why not find some loyal Americans from New Orleans, folks who fought FOR the USA during the Civil War and put up a statute to them instead?
    So, you are saying Lee and Davis should have been put to death?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1886lebel View Post
    These were just the 'ones' of each different types, I have other examples of the same types and then some post-WWI ones as well. I ran out of room for other things on the display, I could have filled another two tables with equipment and other stuff.

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    Thanks for sharing the pics of your very impressive display. French firearms are a rareity down here so do not under most circumstances see but one or two. Frank

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    now I know where all of the FRENCH RIFLES, and equipment went!! glad you were smart enough to save it. most people think that FRENCH and ITALIAN items were junk! it is a truly impressive collection that you have.

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    All those rifles and carbines and only one is a Lebel? Talk about lop sided representation. Poor rifle all alone out on the end.

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    Yup one lonely Mle.1886 by itself but it does have many others like it that it keeps company with at home LOL

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    thank GOD. scared us for a wile!! being an only child isn't no way to live!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raubvogel View Post
    So, you are saying Lee and Davis should have been put to death?



    You need to meed a guy that goes by the name of Paco at falfiles..
    The penalty for Lee and Davis was best left to those loyal Americans who defended the U.S.A. and defeated these people in 1865. What I'm saying in 2017 is that Lee and Davis are poor role models for modern Americans to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45Auto View Post
    The penalty for Lee and Davis was best left to those loyal Americans who defended the U.S.A. and defeated these people in 1865. What I'm saying in 2017 is that Lee and Davis are poor role models for modern Americans to follow.
    Your reply reminds me of proverbs that deal with glasshouses and sins and stones. If you want to continue this conversation I suggest we move it to another forum as it is certainly off-topic in a forum discussing French firearms.

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    Yes, it should be in another forum, I made the error of responding to a comment in this thread objecting to removal of monuments honoring the traitors Lee and Davis. (The old saying about glass houses, sins and stones???)

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