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    Default I'm looking forward to this...'6 Days,' movie about the 1980 London embassy siege

    Here:
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    This looks good, even if the negotiator comes off as heavily conflicted and wearied. Hopefully they do this operation justice by portraying the 22nd SAS as professionals and not hot-shot cowboys, a la Hollywood.

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    I've got an old book somewhere that has a section on the raid that breaks down of the assault by time, floor of the embassy, and room with identification of the weapons used.

    I need to find mine. There's at least two books I know of dedicated to just that operation.
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    The comments I've heard of Margaret Thatcher's 'debrief' of the op are hilarious. That woman was solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poot View Post
    The comments I've heard of Margaret Thatcher's 'debrief' of the op are hilarious. That woman was solid.
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    That was a solid woman indeed. Not being a Brit, I liked her and remember vividly the incident. I call these events 'incidents' because we all know who will be shot, wounded or taken prisoner from the first minute on. Of course we will always need those men that can turn themselves into "hunting mode".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poot View Post
    The comments I've heard of Margaret Thatcher's 'debrief' of the op are hilarious. That woman was solid.
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    I'll paraphrase, since I'm sure the exact quotes are remembered only by the people present...

    There may or may have not been an informal debrief by Mrs. Thatcher, during which she railed about the fact that one of the terrorists remained alive following the assault, in spite of the 'insurance policy' practiced by men of the Regiment. The 'insurance policy' was for each man in the stack to put a bullet in the head of any terrorists down just to make sure, and as each man passed by. Her statement was something like, "Your job is to shoot terrorists, not take them prisoner!"

    Her view (and policy) was that there would be NO negotiation with terrorists, and that assaults were conducted to KILL aggressors. Remember that this was before the push for martyrdom, jihad, blah, blah, blah. She wanted it to be well known that if you attacked the UK, you'd die. Period. Full stop.

    Can you imagine a current PM doing that now? Me either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poot View Post
    I'll paraphrase, since I'm sure the exact quotes are remembered only by the people present...

    There may or may have not been an informal debrief by Mrs. Thatcher, during which she railed about the fact that one of the terrorists remained alive following the assault, in spite of the 'insurance policy' practiced by men of the Regiment. The 'insurance policy' was for each man in the stack to put a bullet in the head of any terrorists down just to make sure, and as each man passed by. Her statement was something like, "Your job is to shoot terrorists, not take them prisoner!"

    Her view (and policy) was that there would be NO negotiation with terrorists, and that assaults were conducted to KILL aggressors. Remember that this was before the push for martyrdom, jihad, blah, blah, blah. She wanted it to be well known that if you attacked the UK, you'd die. Period. Full stop.

    Can you imagine a current PM doing that now? Me either.

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    Am NOT sure Ms. May wouldn't/couldn't do that. She strikes me as pretty hard if pushed. I'd say the chances are 40-60 she would.
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    Sounds like a good movie to see.

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    Was already a movie: "The Final Option" what with the memorable line through the throat mike and ear jack: "Terrorist dead. Sixth floor."
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    The Brit SAS stormed the Iranian embassy in 1980, dramatized by the "Final Option" and now this remake in much the same way that the Israeli retaliation/murder operation in the wake of the Black September murders of the Israeli Olympic team hostages in 1972, aka "wrath of God" or "Bayonet" were dramatized by Spielberg's "Munich" but much earlier in the 1986 film "Sword of Gideon."

    The 1994 storming of a jet that the terrorists apparently intended to fly on and into a structure in Paris is dramatized in the 2011 French film "L'Assaut," apparently with input from the GIGN, who, like the SAS, the BOPE, the GSG9, and other such groups one really shouldn't mess with unless suicidal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Am NOT sure Ms. May wouldn't/couldn't do that. She strikes me as pretty hard if pushed. I'd say the chances are 40-60 she would.
    I would say May is about as Ruthless as Thatcher was.....in every sense of the word.

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    In contrast to her Labour Party leader opponent, yes. His speech on the Manchester bombing blamed it on western interference in Muslim affairs!
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    At this point, almost everything is a remake. Some are better than others, though. More enhanced and realistic effects, better use of lighting, etc. can all combine to make a more compelling presentation of events whose endings and effects are already well known.

    I won't comment on another country's domestic policies, as long as those policies don't create collateral damage or defy the basic logic of national survival and self-defense (I'm looking at YOU, Frau Merkel...), so all I can say about elected leaders and their domestic policies is that unpopular decisions often need to be made that will anger and affect members of the population. It's almost inevitable. There was also President Reagan's mass firing of air traffic controllers in the early 1980's.

    So now that we've drifted from a 'Military History Forum' to a Political Discussion Fest, let's pull it back to face-shooting bad guys. It's very hard to argue with the effectiveness of this operation, which sent ripples throughout the world when it happened. I don't remember as successful a tubular assault as the one executed by GIGN that davecarlson mentioned. Those are very confined spaces, but present huge difficulties, especially when explosives are included.
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